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Jul 2, 2005 1:08:51 AM

Link: Newbie; Loc: US; Posts: 5, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2005

Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

Hi,

I've been wondering if the F360/F430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis? To Ferrari owners here, do you drive your Ferrari on daily basis? I'm seriously considering to buy one, but it needs to be reliable. Is F430 as reliable as Porsche 911 turbo?

Thanks

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Jul 2, 2005 5:05:33 AM

SrfCity: Expert; Loc: Orange County, CA; Posts: 1339, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 21, 2004; Reply to: Link

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Sure. The only problem is the car draws more attention and you risk vandalism etc. If it can be totally secure then no problem. I'd add a clear bra for rock chips.

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Jul 2, 2005 5:37:27 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12550, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: SrfCity

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

The biggest downside is the depreciation. Ferraris with high mileage are worth very little. Better to just use it on the weekend and avoid the costly services and depreciation hit...

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Jul 2, 2005 10:16:15 AM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Grant

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

i drive my modena everyday without problems ,it is reliable . its not as reliable as a 996tt ,but it is definetly reliable .

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Jul 2, 2005 10:26:52 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59424, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Link

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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Link said:
Hi,

I've been wondering if the F360/F430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis? To Ferrari owners here, do you drive your Ferrari on daily basis? I'm seriously considering to buy one, but it needs to be reliable. Is F430 as reliable as Porsche 911 turbo?

Thanks

I doubt anybody can really give you a valid information about F430 reliability.
It can be even more reliable than a 911 Turbo but it can be an owner's nightmare too. It is too early for predicting F430 reliability.
Also don't forget about the well known build quality of italian cars...if the worker had not his daily spaghetti because he had a fight with his wife, he will not do the job 100% right.

And I have to agree with those who mentioned that used Ferrari cars with high mileage may substantially loose value.
So if you plan to put more than 30000 km or so on your car, you better be careful regarding resale value.

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Jul 2, 2005 3:48:46 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13709, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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RC said:
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Link said:
Hi,

I've been wondering if the F360/F430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis? To Ferrari owners here, do you drive your Ferrari on daily basis? I'm seriously considering to buy one, but it needs to be reliable. Is F430 as reliable as Porsche 911 turbo?

Thanks

I doubt anybody can really give you a valid information about F430 reliability.
It can be even more reliable than a 911 Turbo but it can be an owner's nightmare too. It is too early for predicting F430 reliability.
Also don't forget about the well known build quality of italian cars...if the worker had not his daily spaghetti because he had a fight with his wife, he will not do the job 100% right.

And I have to agree with those who mentioned that used Ferrari cars with high mileage may substantially loose value.
So if you plan to put more than 30000 km or so on your car, you better be careful regarding resale value.

RC to a limited extent you are right about the 430 and reliability. However, this much I am certain of; my 430 build quality is much better than my previous 360's and I did not have any problems with my 360's.

The 430 is rock solid. Here is a quote from C&D magazine when they compared the 430,Ford GT, Gallardo, Porsche TTS Cab. and the AMDB9. BTW, the 430 won by a wide margin. The editors of the magazine were blown away by the 430. Here is a quote from the article;

"The car feels light and stiff, and it responds quickly and accurately to movements at the steering wheel. Although firmly suspended, the Ferrari chassis damps sharp edges off most bumps, and it keeps the ride flat and devoid of all but small body movements. You hear and feel big bumps as single, muted impacts with no reverberation"

Their conclusion, "This is the world's most desirable sport car, bar none"

Ferrari's today are made for daily driving. The canard regarding horrible depreciation because of high mileage especially with regard to their V8's is totally untrue. Anyone having the opportunity to own a 430 or a 360 for that matter should do so.

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Jul 2, 2005 4:48:11 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: nberry

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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nberry said:
Ferrari's today are made for daily driving. The canard regarding horrible depreciation because of high mileage especially with regard to their V8's is totally untrue. Anyone having the opportunity to own a 430 or a 360 for that matter should do so.

So how many miles do you plan on putting on your 430 before selling it, Nick? 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles?

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Jul 2, 2005 5:09:59 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21065, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

LOL! Alan

you sure called that one out!

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Jul 2, 2005 5:30:33 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4455, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

my 2 CS's have been certainly reliable. they are quite well made. F's are great to drive daily. many owners fear the evil depreciation, but what is that, but fear?

the deprec curve flattens with mileage so if it really bothers you, buy a "miler", say 3-5k miles and drive it. your cost permile is then lower than if your put alot of miles on a new one. the market prefers low mile F's, but older low mile F's undriven need hoses and belts replaced from sitting, just as P's deteriorate when not driven.

i would expect 430's to be even better built and reliable than 360's or 550's but only time and service manager evalutaions will tell

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Jul 2, 2005 8:10:20 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13709, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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SoCal Alan said:
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Ferrari's today are made for daily driving. The canard regarding horrible depreciation because of high mileage especially with regard to their V8's is totally untrue. Anyone having the opportunity to own a 430 or a 360 for that matter should do so.

So how many miles do you plan on putting on your 430 before selling it, Nick? 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles?

The only reason why I will sell my 430 coupe is because I just ordered a September built Spider. The coupe will sell for about $50,000 over MSRP despite having over 2000 miles on the odometer.

Hey, Alan, Carlos what are your Porsche's worth? I will bet below MSRP and in your case Alan probably 10-20% below and it will continue to decline.

When did you take delivery? Sincerely, you have my condolences. Life can be sooo unfair.

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Jul 2, 2005 8:35:08 PM

Hurst: Veteran; Loc: Potomac, MD; Posts: 1255, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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too much childish cynicism on these boards sometimes...

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Jul 2, 2005 8:45:39 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21065, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: nberry

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

Actually Nick, my condolances have always been for you since for you sportcars are mere investments that would only own and make sense if you don't loose money, and not buy them for what they are meant to, to "drive" (and I don't mean cruising around town to be seen or short burst of straight-line acceleration with a lot of bells and whistles). If you would be able to appreciate sportcars in their real purpose and "live them" instead of using them as jewerly, you would realise why some people are so willing to spend their money on them and are happy to do so

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Jul 2, 2005 9:17:24 PM

Mike S: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Somewhere , Taiwan; Posts: 7720, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

here we go again

/me fetches popcorn and a coke

i got front row seats!!

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Jul 2, 2005 11:49:41 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: nberry

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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nberry said:
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SoCal Alan said:
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nberry said:
Ferrari's today are made for daily driving. The canard regarding horrible depreciation because of high mileage especially with regard to their V8's is totally untrue. Anyone having the opportunity to own a 430 or a 360 for that matter should do so.

So how many miles do you plan on putting on your 430 before selling it, Nick? 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles?

The only reason why I will sell my 430 coupe is because I just ordered a September built Spider. The coupe will sell for about $50,000 over MSRP despite having over 2000 miles on the odometer.

Hey, Alan, Carlos what are your Porsche's worth? I will bet below MSRP and in your case Alan probably 10-20% below and it will continue to decline.

When did you take delivery? Sincerely, you have my condolences. Life can be sooo unfair.

Ok, how many miles are you going to put on your Spider? I dare you to put 50K - 100K miles on it like I'll put on my 997S before I sell it. How many miles did you have on your previous Ferrari before you sold it???

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Jul 3, 2005 2:54:05 AM

arakis: Pilot; Loc: Belgrade,Serbia , Serbia and Montenegro; Posts: 302, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 30, 2004; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

Just one little wuestion if I use a brand new ferrari as a dayly driver for 18 months how much money will I get comparin to hown much I paid for it, bought in italy from dealer, waiting list.... This is all hypothetical cuz I gots me no ferrari, In am enving every single one of you Bas#$%ds. just kiding, hope I join the club soon, probobly right after I finish MIT, get a jpb in NASA and invent the perpetomobile and sell it to ferrari for a collection of all their High class supercars (288gto, f40, f50, enzo...).

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Jul 3, 2005 6:09:15 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13709, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: SoCal Alan

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I am not sure how many miles I will put on the 430 Spider. If another car comes along that I would like to have then I will sell it.

Who knows maybe Porsche will produce a sexy car which does not look like every Porsche ever produced and will not make a zillion of them.

Your S is going to be worth a hell of a lot less when the TT is introduced along with the GT3. You might consider unloading it.

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Jul 3, 2005 6:30:36 PM

bostonmini: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 924, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2003; Reply to: nberry

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

...but the 997 S will look good despite value, whatever it may be!

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Jul 4, 2005 3:19:35 AM

racerx: Rennteam VIP; Loc: 1985 porsche dealership , Bouvet Island; Posts: 8751, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2004; Reply to: nberry

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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Who knows maybe Porsche will produce a sexy car which does not look like every Porsche ever produced and will not make a zillion of them.

They already did Nick, its called a 928. And mine sounds better than any ferrari 8 or 12 with my custom exhaust. As to the mileage, give us all a break please. Ferraris with high miles are shunned.

You all know who is missing from this conversation. He would have shot some reality in here by now.

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Jul 4, 2005 6:08:09 AM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: nberry

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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nberry said:
I am not sure how many miles I will put on the 430 Spider. If another car comes along that I would like to have then I will sell it.

This sounds like a cop-out. You will sell your Spider before it has too many miles on it. You know it. That's why I asked how many miles you had on your last Ferrari before you sold it. But you will use the excuse that you are just buying a newer 430 with better options or more HP or whatever. It's no big deal, really. Just be honest.

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Jul 4, 2005 8:30:37 AM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: Mike S

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

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Mike S said:
here we go again

/me fetches popcorn and a coke

i got front row seats!!

LOOOL!

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Jul 4, 2005 8:46:19 AM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

Here in DK I have never ever heard of a Ferrari with more than 35,000 km (appr. 23,000 miles) on the clock.
I drove an old 1980-something Testarossa last year, and it had 30,000 km on the meter.
The two 360s I've tried both only came out on sundays when then moon alignjed perfectly with the stars and the weather forecast said "perfect weather then next week or you'll get your money back".

Older F-models have low milage because the build-quality back then sucked, and hence people kept their cars in the garage.
Nowadays the built-quality is a whole lot better (although my buddy's 360 had a load of strange problems) and I bet the 430 is every bit as good as the experts (including Mr. Troll

and other owners) say.

Problems is that the old habit of not driving their F-cars stick with new F-owners and their newer models.
I'm pretty sure the quality of an F is very very fine, but I'm also sure that most F-cars are just sitting in their respective garages looking pretty because the owners are afraid of depreciation...or maybe don't really trust the F- built quality.
I don't know what mechanisms stop F-owners from enjoying their great machinews more, but there can only be three reasons for it as I see it:
1) F-owners generally buy Fs as investment or as jewellery
2) F-owners don't trust the F build quality
3) F-owners fear depreciation. If most used Fs have low milage, who wants to be the first F-owner with a hi-milage F?

Just out of curiousity:
Has anyone actually heard of or know of an F with more than 50,000 miles on the clock?

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Jul 4, 2005 1:30:25 PM

porsche nut: Junior; Loc: Atlanta, GA USA; Posts: 99, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

That was a fun exchange of comments. Never really thought about the reason why you never see to many F cars on the road but now it makes sense. Give me a P car for my money.

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Jul 4, 2005 4:30:36 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Link

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

I love my Challenge Stradale but I bought a 997 S cab. to use everyday.
In my area with Porsche the majority of the depreciation is taken out immediately. After that it doesn't matter much if the car has 5000 or 10000 miles. The condition & options of the car become more important.
In my area with Ferrari cars (360 and 430 w/ in a year from now) with less than 2000 miles can sell over msrp but once you are over 5000 if the car is not perfect you will not get over msrp. Once you are over 10k miles the car will start to depreciate hard. Worse then a Porsche.
For cummuting I wouldn't think of driving my Ferrari everyday like my Porsche. Porsche is a more reliable car and can handle the lumps and bumps better than a Ferrari. One of the biggest things that come to mind is PAINT. I don't know whether the aluminum is difficult to paint or what but the Ferrari will chip faster than any other factory paint then I've ever seen. I've seen cars with a couple of thousand miles and the paint on the fenders behind the wheels is blasted off. Porsche paint is far superior.
I have not had any problems with my Stradale but I only use the car on the weekends. While the Ferrari offers an experience like no other make (imo) if you drove it every day you would PROBABLY be in the repair shop much more frequently then with the Porsche.

I don't have a 430 but I did have a 996 TT. I drove the TT everyday with one minor problem - my glove compartment latch broke. If you drove a 430 in the NY area every day for 3 years I would bet anything there would be a whole lot more problems that that.

To be honest - For me the value of my Ferrari is important. I choose not to use it everyday more because of the miles/value equation not because of it's reliability. If money was not a factor at all I would love to experiment and start racking up the miles to see how reliable the car would be at 50,000 miles. But at 50,000 miles my car would probably be worth half of what I paid - Just like a Porsche at 50k. It's not worth $100,000 for me to find out.

Good luck on your decision.

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Jul 4, 2005 4:43:20 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

There's another one.
I love KEEPING THE CAR MINT. It's really a fantastic feeling keeping a car free from all the crap that happens to a daily driver. And with a Ferrari the feeling is magnified. For me anyway. I guess it's a feeling that many guys that collect & show cars get. Can't describe it fully but after driving it on a beautiful sunny day (away from traffic) then detailing the car and putting her back home still in cherry condition is

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Jul 4, 2005 5:01:04 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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STRADALE said:
To be honest - For me the value of my Ferrari is important. I choose not to use it everyday more because of the miles/value equation not because of it's reliability. If money was not a factor at all I would love to experiment and start racking up the miles to see how reliable the car would be at 50,000 miles. But at 50,000 miles my car would probably be worth half of what I paid - Just like a Porsche at 50k. It's not worth $100,000 for me to find out.

Thanks for your honesty, Stradale.

For me, I've been considering a 430, but I know I wouldn't drive it all the time because of having to worry about how much depreciation the car will take with each mile I put on it. The alternative is to use it only on weekends. I tried that with my 997S but after a couple of months, I felt bad for buying a $100K car that I used so seldom. So now it's my daily driver and I take it to work everyday, without worrying about how many miles I put on the car.

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Jul 4, 2005 7:08:05 PM

Patriek: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 702, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 9, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

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Carlos from Spain said:
Actually Nick, my condolances have always been for you since for you sportcars are mere investments that would only own and make sense if you don't loose money, and not buy them for what they are meant to, to "drive" (and I don't mean cruising around town to be seen or short burst of straight-line acceleration with a lot of bells and whistles). If you would be able to appreciate sportcars in their real purpose and "live them" instead of using them as jewerly, you would realise why some people are so willing to spend their money on them and are happy to do so

I hate it when people buy a expensive car (I think a F car is

) and are afraid to drive it because they will loose some money

I drive mine WHENEVER I CAN !!
I would feel bad, when I have to left the car in the garage bacause it would cost me to mutch

! I would buy something else, and enjoyed it, like it was meant for

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Jul 4, 2005 7:54:27 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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SoCal Alan said:
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STRADALE said:
To be honest - For me the value of my Ferrari is important. I choose not to use it everyday more because of the miles/value equation not because of it's reliability. If money was not a factor at all I would love to experiment and start racking up the miles to see how reliable the car would be at 50,000 miles. But at 50,000 miles my car would probably be worth half of what I paid - Just like a Porsche at 50k. It's not worth $100,000 for me to find out.

Thanks for your honesty, Stradale.

For me, I've been considering a 430, but I know I wouldn't drive it all the time because of having to worry about how much depreciation the car will take with each mile I put on it. The alternative is to use it only on weekends. I tried that with my 997S but after a couple of months, I felt bad for buying a $100K car that I used so seldom. So now it's my daily driver and I take it to work everyday, without worrying about how many miles I put on the car.

You should drive the Porsche everyday. It doesn't make sense to worry about depreciation on a Porsche,,, not driving it. A Porsche will depreciate no matter what.

On the other hand if you can get a 430 you should. Unlike a Porsche you can use the 430 on weekends for a year plus and sell the car for more than you paid. My 430 will come next spring. At that time I will trade in my Stradale, make 10 grand or so and be in a new Ferrari. I'll keep the 430 enjoying it on the weekends then sell it for probably another $10-$25,000 profit trading in when the 430 CS comes out. By the time the CS does come out my Ferrari payment will be the same size as my Porsche payment and I'll have a brand new car.

Trust me the last thing that you'll worry about if you get a 430 is the depreciation.

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Jul 4, 2005 8:56:38 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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STRADALE said:
You should drive the Porsche everyday. It doesn't make sense to worry about depreciation on a Porsche,,, not driving it. A Porsche will depreciate no matter what.

On the other hand if you can get a 430 you should. Unlike a Porsche you can use the 430 on weekends for a year plus and sell the car for more than you paid. My 430 will come next spring. At that time I will trade in my Stradale, make 10 grand or so and be in a new Ferrari. I'll keep the 430 enjoying it on the weekends then sell it for probably another $10-$25,000 profit trading in when the 430 CS comes out. By the time the CS does come out my Ferrari payment will be the same size as my Porsche payment and I'll have a brand new car.

Trust me the last thing that you'll worry about if you get a 430 is the depreciation.

I'll think I'll do exactly that.

I'll keep the Porsche and use as the daily driver and the 430 for weekends.

So, you're going to get both the 997TTS and 430?

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Jul 4, 2005 9:13:01 PM

Patriek: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 702, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 9, 2004; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily ba

Just out of curiousity:
Has anyone actually heard of or know of an F with more than 50,000 miles on the clock?

OFF COURSE

in Belgium there are "a lot" !

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Jul 5, 2005 2:41:30 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Is the F360/430 reliable enough to be driven on daily basis?

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SoCal Alan said:
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You should drive the Porsche everyday. It doesn't make sense to worry about depreciation on a Porsche,,, not driving it. A Porsche will depreciate no matter what.

On the other hand if you can get a 430 you should. Unlike a Porsche you can use the 430 on weekends for a year plus and sell the car for more than you paid. My 430 will come next spring. At that time I will trade in my Stradale, make 10 grand or so and be in a new Ferrari. I'll keep the 430 enjoying it on the weekends then sell it for probably another $10-$25,000 profit trading in when the 430 CS comes out. By the time the CS does come out my Ferrari payment will be the same size as my Porsche payment and I'll have a brand new car.

Trust me the last thing that you'll worry about if you get a 430 is the depreciation.

I'll think I'll do exactly that. I'll keep the Porsche and use as the daily driver and the 430 for weekends.

So, you're going to get both the 997TTS and 430?

You should. The combo is really working out well for me.

Not the "S". 997TT Cab. and 430.

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