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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    BTW, did you saw the thread "458 Italia no more Manual" at FChat? I really do not understand some Ferrari enthusiast there... They all are talking about F1 gearbox...

    458 Italia featues 7speed DCT, NOT sequential manual a la F1! Totally different thing IMHO.

    Lack of knowledge at FChat sometimes can be really puzzling...


    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    KresoF1:

    BTW, did you saw the thread "458 Italia no more Manual" at FChat? I really do not understand some Ferrari enthusiast there... They all are talking about F1 gearbox...

    458 Italia featues 7speed DCT, NOT sequential manual a la F1! Totally different thing IMHO.

    Lack of knowledge at FChat sometimes can be really puzzling...


    Thought the same. Smiley

    I can understand though, that there are buyers who prefer three pedals, but IMHO in a car like the 458 the 7 speed DCT is THE PERFECT gearbox. Smiley
     


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Rossi:
    KresoF1:

    BTW, did you saw the thread "458 Italia no more Manual" at FChat? I really do not understand some Ferrari enthusiast there... They all are talking about F1 gearbox...

    458 Italia featues 7speed DCT, NOT sequential manual a la F1! Totally different thing IMHO.

    Lack of knowledge at FChat sometimes can be really puzzling...


    Thought the same. Smiley

    I can understand though, that there are buyers who prefer three pedals, but IMHO in a car like the 458 the 7 speed DCT is THE PERFECT gearbox. Smiley
     


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    I fully agree with you!SmileySmiley

    For some cars manual is the best choice: R8 4.2 FSI, R8 5.2 FSI or Gallardo LP550-2 Balboni for example.

    458 Italia is perfect car with DCT.

    997.2 Turbo for example is probably better with PDK then with manual. BUT, 20% of buyers(specially those who wants to tune it) will order manual.

    IMHO it is always good to have cars with different gearboxes in your garage if possible. Your view about various gearbox technology and its merits is more objective that way...


    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    KresoF1:

    For some cars manual is the best choice: R8 4.2 FSI, R8 5.2 FSI


    I think these two Audis are desperately asking  for a good DCT. They will become even better cars. Manual is better for the R8s now because the R-tronic is not very good.


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    I hope they tweak the 458 DCT to make it better than the CA DCT. I was not impressed. It was almost like using tiptronic. 


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Just realized this on the triple exhaust/ F40 pic from JP66's thread on the Ferrari Museum: 

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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    ya the middle one is smaller than the two outside ones...


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    The middle one on the F40 is not an exhaust - it's the exit for the wastegate.  Since the 458 is not turbocharged, it has no wastegate.  Its center pipe is used for an entirely different purpose (I think it's for quiet and loud modes of the exhaust).


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    What do you think? It looks like the valves are on the 2 outer pipes.

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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    STRADALE:

    What do you think? It looks like the valves are on the 2 outer pipes.

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    I think center pipe only when driving at low revs and small throttle opening and all three open with high revs and/or large throttle opening.
     


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Grant:
    STRADALE:

    What do you think? It looks like the valves are on the 2 outer pipes.

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    I think center pipe only when driving at low revs and small throttle opening and all three open with high revs and/or large throttle opening.
     

    That seems to make sense.

    So I guess it should be as easy to manipulate as the Porsche PSE & F430.  Just pull the hoses & plug um. When I had my 997 S Cab I switched it back to being on/off w/ S.C. but w/ my F430 it's on/open 24/7. 458 should sound sick.

     


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Grant:
    STRADALE:

    What do you think? It looks like the valves are on the 2 outer pipes.

    I think center pipe only when driving at low revs and small throttle opening and all three open with high revs and/or large throttle opening.
     


    I think I already read somewhere that the centre pipe is something like the "standard" exhaust, whereas the two outer pipes only open at a certain rev.
     


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Rossi:
    Grant:
    STRADALE:

    What do you think? It looks like the valves are on the 2 outer pipes.

    I think center pipe only when driving at low revs and small throttle opening and all three open with high revs and/or large throttle opening.
     


    I think I already read somewhere that the centre pipe is something like the "standard" exhaust, whereas the two outer pipes only open at a certain rev.
     

    this is logical if we see that the valves are in the other two pipes... :) the center is always open...
     


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    Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    **** Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos ****

    1) Ferrari 458 Italia: "Concept & Innovation..."

    2) Ferrari 458 Italia: "Style..."

    3) Ferrari 458 Italia: "Performance..." (by Michael Schumacher)

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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    Great vids!

    Michael needs a speech writer!


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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    458´s main rival, McLaren P11 is going to be revealed next week. Smiley


    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    mv:

    458´s main rival, McLaren P11 is going to be revealed next week. Smiley

    wow,any possibility to see it @ IAA Frankfurt or we have to wait L.A. autoshow?

    any teaser or info about final specs?


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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    janus:

    Great vids!

    Michael needs a speech writer!

    No, his delivery sounds very authentic in everyday language which gives an impression of intimacy.

    What he needs is a stylist. What is this neck ornament?


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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    McLaren P11's 'Ring tests

    (27 August 2009)

    McLaren’s P11 supercar has been spied testing at the Nurburgring again.

    The mid-engined supercar will go on sale in 2011. McLaren plans to build around 1000 cars a year, with the addition of further P11 variants, as well as another new model, bringing annual output up to around 4000 cars by 2015.

    The P11 is a similar size to a Ferrari F430. Some sources say that P11 will be powered by a Mercedes V8 re-worked by Mahle in the UK.

    Antony Sheriff, managing director of McLaren Automotive, has previously revealed the car "is not manufactured like any supercar you have seen." He also says the cars will be "more exclusive and priced at a premium" compared to rivals.

    Prices will kick off from 100,000 euros (£88,000) and McLaren says it wants three per cent of the global supercar market, which it calculates as around 130,000 units per year.

    McLaren is currently building up a global dealer and distribution network to sell the new models.

    The supercars will be built by a new, independent, company called McLaren Automotive, which will be led by Ron Dennis, who has stepped down from heading up the F1 team.

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    McLaren P11's suspension details 

    (2 September 2009)

    This McLaren P11 prototype spotted testing at the Nurburgring last week is believed to have been shaking down the new British supercar’s revolutionary suspension system, which insiders say features breakthrough technologies.

    Although McLaren won’t yet give details of its new suspension, Autocar understands the set-up gives the P11 a new level of versatility, allowing all of the cornering body control needed by a 200mph ‘son of McLaren F1’, yet delivering unprecedented levels of ride comfort for a car of this type.

    Woking bosses insist that the P11 should be completely viable as a day-to-day driving machine, in contrast to its illustrious but hardcore predecessor.

    The P11, which has an all-new monocoque carbonfibre chassis that draws heavily on McLaren Racing’s Formula One experience, is said to be powered by a mid-mounted V8 engine with a twin-clutch, paddle-shift gearbox.

    Early reports suggested the car would use an AMG-developed engine, but latest indications are that the engine is completely new in design, smaller and more fuel efficient than AMG’s big-capacity units. It is also understood to be made entirely in the UK.

    Power output is certain to be between 500bhp and 600bhp, but the real key to the car’s 200mph-plus performance — and impressive fuel efficiency — is certain to be its light weight, delivered by the extensive use of carbonfibre in its construction.

    Initial estimates are that the car will weigh between 1300kg and 1400kg, making it at least 200kg lighter than most mid-engined rivals and on a par with the less powerful Porsche 911.

    The new McLaren aims to compete head to head with the forthcoming Ferrari 458 Italia, although it is likely to be slightly more expensive than the Italian car at around £170,000. The first P11 is scheduled to be delivered to its owner early in 2011.

    Full details of the Woking-developed car will be revealed next week...

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    McLaren P11 spy pics...

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    McLaren F1 GTR driven by Autocar... 

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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    andrea:
    mv:

    458´s main rival, McLaren P11 is going to be revealed next week. Smiley

    wow,any possibility to see it @ IAA Frankfurt or we have to wait L.A. autoshow?

    any teaser or info about final specs?

     

    We have to wait just a few days.
     

    Should be slightly faster and more expensive than Italia. Engine probably V8 Biturbo. DCT gearbox...

     


    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    mv:
    andrea:
    mv:

    458´s main rival, McLaren P11 is going to be revealed next week. Smiley

    wow,any possibility to see it @ IAA Frankfurt or we have to wait L.A. autoshow?

    any teaser or info about final specs?

     

    We have to wait just a few days.
     

    Should be slightly faster and more expensive than Italia. Engine probably V8 Biturbo. DCT gearbox...

     

    very curious to see the final product! This could be the Big One Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    I think that the 458 will be both faster and better looking.


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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    Gordon Murray is quoted as saying the P11 will be heavy and disappointing in the article someone else posted here called something like "Maclaren to build a car beyond the F1".  Sounds like this other MacLaren is the one to watch (rather than the P11)...

    Here's the link: http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Gordon-Murray-developing-a-supercar-beyond-the-F1/

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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    I read also in past articles that mclaren has 2 news cars: the p11 and later the sportier p8


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    Re: Ferrari 458 Italia: official videos...

    This news on the McLaren reads very promising Smiley

    Light, lots of hp, high-tech, daily-driver qualities SmileySmileySmiley 


    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    ed_moree:

    Now this is the CAR!!! Point! If any says it is ugly he does not know what ugly means!! and he has no taste what so ever!! 

     OK, that would be me, then Smiley

    I like the general shape, but I must say the flatness of the rear shoulders and especially the front/headlight area looks very...hmm...strange indeed. I like the rear and tail lights.
    Such nice specs in such an alien and - dare I say - ugly wrapping.

    Thankfully, my opinion is of no importance to Ferrari since I won´t be able to afford one anytime soon SmileySmileySmiley

     


    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Hey Doc, you're back!

    Longtime no see, hope you're doing well

    -Joost-


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    Re: F142 revealed - Ferrari 458 Italia

    Joost:

    Hey Doc, you're back!

    Longtime no see, hope you're doing well

    -Joost-

     +1 your manliness was needed around here !


     
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