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    How I bought my new car in Germany

    LEGAL DISCLAIMER: THIS ACCOUNT OF MY PURCHASE PROCESS IS FOR INDICATIVE PURPOSES ONLY. IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE DEFINITIVE ADVICE AND SHOULD NOT BE RELIED UPON AS SUCH.

    Some of you have asked me to outline what I did to import my car from Germany into the UK. From memory, these are the steps I took:

    I visited my local Porsche dealer in London to have test drives and to decide upon which model I wanted to buy (i.e. 911 Carrera S) and my specification.

    I then contacted the European dealers. I found out the contact details of the authorised Porsche dealers in Germany through the German Porsche website. According to my country comparisons, Germany worked out cheapest for me. I considered Belgium (the Flemish part where dealers speak good English), Holland & Finland as well but Germany worked out cheaper for me. I knew I would buy from a country only in the EU for 'type approval' and VAT reasons. (Basically, Porsche provides an EU Certificate of Conformity which means one doesn't need to get a Single Vehicle Type Approval test done by the UK DVLA). Unfortunately, Norway is not in the EU (which would cause administrative and tax headaches), Denmark isn't in the Eurozone (and I didn't want the hassle of buying Danish Krona which may fluctuate in value over the months until delivery more than a major currency like the Euro) and Switzerland is only in EFTA (which would cause tax bureaucracy for me).

    As a practical issue, I preferred to narrow my list of countries down to those which are in the EU, where the dealers speak good English and where there are plenty of dealers (so that I could get the best discount by making them outbid each other since they are competing for my business). I used the e-mailing system on the German Porsche website to contact them all individually stating my order details, the fact that I am from the UK and that I want a C16 UK RHD car. I asked what discount they would offer. I was not too shy to ask this bluntly!

    Many did not even bother to reply. Some replied stating that they don't sell cars for export to the UK. Others offered no discounts. Some offered good discounts but would not sell tax free because other British buyers had bought tax free in the past from them and then they had fraudulently not paid VAT in the UK so that the German dealer was stuck with the tax bill. As a precaution, those dealers wanted me to pay tax in Germany and then after I had proved that I had paid tax in the UK as well, then they would refund me the tax I had paid them in Germany. No way was I going to do this! (Why is the UK car business so inherently full of dodgy people? I wish British people would just obey the law so that we aren't all tarnished with the same brush. Otherwise we all lose out!)

    Anyway, I found some dealers who were happy to sell me a C16 UK RHD car tax-free and who were offering really excellent discounts. I negotiated very hard and secured a 7% discount on both the car and all the options (including the cost of the C16 RHD conversion which is expensive at 5065 Euros exc tax). The discount could not apply to the cost of the factory collection (400 Euros exc tax) since this has to be paid in full by the dealer to Porsche AG. Nor could the discount apply to the 2 weeks German temporary registration since this is paid by the dealer to the local German authorities.

    I also targetted smaller dealers in smaller towns since they have fewer customers. They have to offer juicier deals to help use up their monthly allocation so I deliberately chose a dealer in a 'piddly' little German city for this reason! The major advantage with Germany is that there are so many dealerships there. They are virtually forced to undercut each other. Suited me just fine!

    Once I had decided which dealer I wanted to order the car with, I decided upon my specification. I compared the EXACT standard specification of cars in the UK with those in Germany noting the (few) differences. {Full leather, PVTS ('preparation') and tinted windscreen are all standard in the UK}. I added those items to my order to make my car identical to a UK car. {The PVTS tracking device itself has to be bought separately from a UK dealer for GBP985 inc VAT and installation plus an annual fee of GBP176 to Cobra}. I compared the specifications using the German & UK price lists and the German & UK car configurators. The German configurator also lists the Porsche Exclusive options with photos. Very helpful! I used the Google language tool to translate anything I didn't understand from German to English. I then signed the contract, faxed it to the dealer and wired a 20% deposit. They often require a higher deposit for cars to the UK since they are RHD and would be harder for them to sell if I pulled out of the deal before taking delivery. I knew I was not going to pull out of the purchase so it made no difference to me what % deposit I paid. (Just a bit of lost interest from the bank).

    When my order was placed, I was given a Commission Number and a production week 'slot' for a particular model). One can always add/take away/change options until one's order becomes 'locked'. NB: changing to certain 'special' colours (e.g. Slate Grey) and ordering some special options (e.g. X51 powerkit) can delay production.

    I took my time finalising the exact factory fitted options and Porsche Exclusive options I wanted. When I was completely sure, I asked my dealer to give me a printout of my order from the computer which they use to place orders with the factory (the IDCS printout). I wanted to make sure there would be no mistakes in my order.

    In the meantime, there was a price rise due to the MY2007 change. I also checked the MY07 changes to see if there was any change in my specification. Nothing significant.

    I contacted the DVLA to get their 'Import Pack'. It contains all the forms I would have to fill in later (including the forms for the HM Revenue & Customs).

    I found the easiest way to gather enough Euros together was to open a Euro denominated foreign currency account at my UK bank. That way, I could convert money from GBP to Euro whenever I thought the exchange rate was favourable.

    About a month before production, my dealer confirmed to me which week the car would be made. I sent (by Royal Mail 'international signed for' post) my UK passport to him and a signed 'agent' letter authorising him to arrange German temporary registration of the car for me. Once the car was built, Porsche AG sent him an invoice with the vehicle details. He then invoiced me. I paid the remaining 80% of the purchase price by electronic bank transfer. He then registered the car locally with German temporary registration valid for 2 weeks. He sent me by DHL courier my UK passport, the German temporary registration document, the EU Certificate of Conformity, a German green card basic insurance document, a Swiss green card insurance document, a letter confirming my authorisation to collect the car from the factory, my German export number plates and a black plastic rear number plate holder.

    I arranged my UK Certificate of Insurance with a green card before going to Germany starting on the date when I would collect the car from the factory.

    I had booked my one-way flight on German Wings from London Stansted Airport to Stuttgart and a one-way ferry ticket from Calais to Dover on P&O ferries. You can read a full account of my Factory Collection trip on this thread:

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=997&Number=290478&page=0&fpart=all

    When I returned to the UK with the car, I took a number of documents to the DVLA which I had filled in before going to Germany:

    Form V55/4 (to register the car in the UK as a new car on first registration)
    Original EU Certificate of Conformity (for type approval purposes)
    German temporary registration document
    Original purchase invoice
    Original UK Certificate of Insurance
    Original ferry ticket to prove date of the car's arrival in the UK (the HM Revenue & Customs need to be notified within 7 days of this date)
    Flight bookings, hotel bookings and petrol receipts (to prove I imported the vehicle personally)
    V267 Declaration of Vehicle Newness (to prove 'reasonable delivery mileage' only)
    VAT Form 415 (notification to HM Revenue & Customs so they can calculate the VAT due)
    Extract from a newspaper from the day after purchase showing the GBP/Euro exchange rate on the date of collection which I wanted them to use (plus a covering letter explaining this)
    A cheque for GBP248 (GBP210 road tax, GBP38 first registration fee)
    My Certificate of Entitlement to a personalised UK number plate (purchased from DVLA previously)
    Original birth certificate (to prove my name)
    Original bank statement (less than 3 months old) (to prove my address)
    Factory collection document (to prove to the UK DVLA the date when I took delivery of the car since I needed to register the car in the UK within 14 days of collection)

    I went to my DVLA Local Office to do this. The next day I went back to the DVLA Local Office to collect my original documents and my road tax disk.

    I received a V5C Registration Certificate from the DVLA in Swansea within 5 days. I am now waiting for a VAT demand notice from the HM Revenue & Customs for the VAT I have to pay.

    I also went to my local Porsche dealer in London to have a PVTS tracking device fitted. They programmed the automatic locking and relocking functions for me.

    I contacted Customer Service at Porsche Cars GB Ltd to inform them of my purchase. They added my details to their database and will inform me of any recalls etc. They also confirmed my pan-European Porsche Assistance so that I can call a UK freephone number (and speak to an English speaking person) if I have a problem (and not the German telephone number). They also arranged for 2 years complimentary subscription to Christophorus magazine.

    Since I did not buy the car in the UK, I have not paid for the Porsche Driving Experience training. I can always get this later.

    I had some UK number plates made which I have also fitted to the car.

    So, that's what I did to save many thousands of pounds. Easy!

    Long live the EU!!


    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    very intersting and good right up.
    at the end of the game,how much did yuo save in percetage terms?
    enjoy your baby

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Very interesting and detailed write-up. I enjoyed reading it.

    You really had a good 'plan' and I appreciated your writing it in detail.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    What is your time worth? It sounds like you invested a lot of time and effort to save a few quid, I hope it was all worth it, enjoy your new ride.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Wow!! I am impressed

    I never realized how much there was to do though. You must have effectively taken a month off of work to sort all that admin out!

    You mentioned in your original thread that buying in Germany saved you Pounds7k. But in this thread you say you saved 7%. So unless the spec of your car in the UK was Pounds100k then I think I am missing something somewhere. Surely 10% off is closer?

    Pounds7k for doing all that work yourself... the precision and attention to detail of a Porsche suites you well Sir!

    Hey as it's a Germany car does that mean you have a warrantee longer than the standard 2 year one here in the UK?

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    jpcourt said:What is your time worth? It sounds like you invested a lot of time and effort to save a few quid, I hope it was all worth it



    Well, if I added up all the time I spent over a period of 11 months doing this, I would 'guesstimate' it to be about 5 days. I don't think that's a lot of my free time wasted to save about 10% of the purchase price of my car.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    Alex (UK) said:I never realized how much there was to do though. You must have effectively taken a month off of work to sort all that admin out!

    You mentioned in your original thread that buying in Germany saved you Pounds7k. But in this thread you say you saved 7%. So unless the spec of your car in the UK was Pounds100k then I think I am missing something somewhere. Surely 10% off is closer?

    Pounds7k for doing all that work yourself...

    Hey as it's a Germany car does that mean you have a warrantee longer than the standard 2 year one here in the UK?



    Thanks Alex. Actually, it's not a lot of work. I've just listed everything I did out of thoroughness! As I said above in response to another post, in all, it was about 5 days work not 1 month!

    As for the saving, you are missing 2 other essential components. Of course, there is the 7% discount which I negotiated on the basic car price and each and every option (so the more options you get, the wider the saving differential becomes) but also there are the following 2 factors: 1) the basic car price in Germany is lower than the basic car price in the UK, and 2) you can 'save' money by buying the Euros you need cheaply when the British Pound is especially strong.

    As such, I think I saved around GBP8000. My car would have cost me about GBP81000 at a UK dealer but cost me GBP73000 instead. It's a total saving of around 10%.

    I think it was worth it!! The savings alone paid for all my holidays this year!

    Re: warranties, no, I have the same 2 year warranty as you. That's standard across all EU states.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Do you know if Porsche GB will let you take out an extended warranty after the 2 years ?

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    I think this should go in a FAQ section of this site
    moderator?

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Wow! The more I read your posts, the more I think that you must have a huge staff to acquire the the vast know how (not only the buying in Germany, but about the P-cars) you show in your posts.
    Carlos

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    ChrisB said:Do you know if Porsche GB will let you take out an extended warranty after the 2 years ?



    Yes, absolutely no problem at all. The warranty can be extended each year for one more year from year 2 until year 9 of the car's life.

    I merely need to take the car to any Porsche dealer in the EU. They will do a thorough 140 point check of the car. I pay them and that's it!

    Most interesting of all, the extended warranty costs GBP725 in the UK but it costs 850 Euros in any EU state. It is much cheaper in Europe! 725GBP is equivalent to 1073 Euros at today's FX rates. Yet another example of how Porsche Cars GB Ltd rips off UK customers. It includes a year's Porsche Assistance as well!

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    I hope more people in the UK take note of Easy's post and look to the continent to source their car. Although the process appears long and complex, it's actually pretty simple and quite a bit of fun too. I've personally imported a couple of BMW's from Germany and enjoyed the experience. I looked at doing the same with my Boxster, but the savings were not worth it at the time.

    With regards to obtaining Euros, the first time I did it, I took out a forward exchange option with my bank that allowed me to buy X Euros at a certain rate Y months in the future. This meant that if the exchange rate deteriorated, then I'd have the security at buying the Euros at the pre-determined rate, but if the rate improved then I would just let the option expire and buy the Euro's out in the market.
    The second time, I used a specialist currency agency to buy all of the Euros required when I though the rate had reached its peak - these agencies can offer far better rates than most high-street banks.

    Easy, you don't happen to know if the C16 charge varies across the model range do you? Just wondering what it would be on a GT3

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Quote:
    Jeannot said:
    I think this should go in a FAQ section of this site
    moderator?



    I second that motion!

    I book-marked Easy's top post before I even started reading it!!

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    Atlantis said:...the process [is] quite a bit of fun...

    I took out a forward exchange option with my bank that allowed me to buy X Euros at a certain rate Y months in the future. This meant that if the exchange rate deteriorated, then I'd have the security at buying the Euros at the pre-determined rate, but if the rate improved then I would just let the option expire and buy the Euro's out in the market.

    ...the C16 charge ...on a GT3



    Yup, exactly, I found the whole process a great pleasure!

    Yes - that's a great way to source the Euros. Not everyone will feel comfortable buying an FX option though. I'm a Structured Finance, Capital Markets and Derivatives Lawyer for an Investment Bank so this kind of transaction is a piece of cake for me!

    AFAIK, yes, it's 5065 Euros plus tax for all 911s.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    good write up easy rider. this is the way to buy porsches. i have also bought porsche cars this way but from belgium. also for those who are thinking about selling a personal import it makes no differance at all as all opc cars are c16 code cars. think i might look in germany for GT3RS. any dealers you could recommend easy rider. enjoy your car , best regards paul.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    easy rider911, thanks you for your detail information, but just one question, the price you talking about is include UK tax, what is the price without?

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    fsdell said:
    easy rider911, thanks you for your detail information, but just one question, the price you talking about is include UK tax, what is the price without?



    Just divide by 1.175 to deduct the 17.5% UK VAT.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Quote:
    CarlosF said:
    Wow! The more I read your posts, the more I think that you must have a huge staff to acquire the the vast know how (not only the buying in Germany, but about the P-cars) you show in your posts.
    Carlos



    Thanks CarlosF. You're very kind.

    Actually, I don't have anyone at all to help me! I just do my own research. I guess it's just part of my nature to be thorough.

    I know I am only a first time Porsche owner (so there is much expertise I still need to acquire from actual experience of ownership), but I still post what I know just to be helpful to other Rennteamers here!

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    twin turbo said:...for those who are thinking about selling a personal import it makes no differance at all as all opc cars are c16 code cars...

    ...any dealers you could recommend ...



    Exactly, I made sure I asked for a C16 UK spec RHD car. That was the crucial part.

    As for dealers, I can't recommend any as such (since I have only dealt with one in detail) but I have used Porsche Zentrum Darmstadt for my purchase. I dealt with Markus Wesp there.

    Another really nice dealership was Porsche Zentrum Sollingen. Christian Hoefken is the contact there. He was very nice to talk to and spoke impeccable English. They offer good discounts etc but they asked me to pay German tax which would be refunded after I had proved that I had paid UK VAT. Paying an extra GBP11,000 or so for 2-3 months was a dealbreaker for me.

    PZ Moers and PZ Hofheim also sell to UK customers and they offered me good prices.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Quote:
    Alex (UK) said:
    Quote:
    Jeannot said:
    I think this should go in a FAQ section of this site
    moderator?



    I second that motion!

    I book-marked Easy's top post before I even started reading it!!



    Thanks guys. You're very kind. I am just glad I could share what I learnt with others here so that hopefully others can benefit from my experiences.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    I am chatting to Markus about my next car having moved over to the Odenwald from Blighty in the summer. I can confirm that they are a friendly bunch and seem to have good reputation. I'll let you know how I get on.

    Congrats on your new car, easy. BTW I had the same experience as you when I went from BM to Porsche.


    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

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    easy_rider911 said:
    Quote:
    twin turbo said:...for those who are thinking about selling a personal import it makes no differance at all as all opc cars are c16 code cars...

    ...any dealers you could recommend ...



    Exactly, I made sure I asked for a C16 UK spec RHD car. That was the crucial part.

    As for dealers, I can't recommend any as such (since I have only dealt with one in detail) but I have used Porsche Zentrum Darmstadt for my purchase. I dealt with Markus Wesp there.

    Another really nice dealership was Porsche Zentrum Sollingen. Christian Hoefken is the contact there. He was very nice to talk to and spoke impeccable English. They offer good discounts etc but they asked me to pay German tax which would be refunded after I had proved that I had paid UK VAT. Paying an extra GBP11,000 or so for 2-3 months was a dealbreaker for me.

    PZ Moers and PZ Hofheim also sell to UK customers and they offered me good prices. [/qu easy rider911 thank you for the contacts,once again enjoy that car!

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Thanks again easy rider, this is all really useful info.

    I asked about the extended warranty before, because I am planning to get a GT3 in France, but the dealership (part of Porsche France) has said that they will extend the warranty to cover year 3 if the car is immaculate, but then after that, tough.

    I need to look into this EU warranty business then. I'll certainly be quoting your info to the dealer here, so thanks again.

    I also asked a UK Porsche centre if they would extend the warranty on a car bought in France when I move back, and got a "probably not" from them. I put that down to the dealer / salesman not knowing the detail you've given us.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Thanks for your helpful insight Easy and congrats on your new ride. Out of curiosity would this benefit US buyers also?

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Why would a French Porsche dealer refuse to extend a warranty beyond year 3? I can't guess why this could be the case. If I were you, I would contact the Customer Services helpline for Porsche France. They will be able to tell you definitely what the dealers are and are not able to do for you.

    I should add that the servicing and maintenance guidelines for a GT3 are different from a Carrera or a Targa etc. This may be completely irrelevent though to the issue of whether an extended warranty is available to a GT3 beyond year 3. But it makes one think that a different approach may apply.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    I would expect that what I have written on the 'German leg' of the process may be applicable. However, the 'UK leg' is irrelevant to you. You will need to find out what the process is in the USA for importing vehicles from abroad. There must no doubt be a whole range of US regulatory requirements which you need to meet in order for your car to be 'roadworthy' in the US. Plus, no doubt, the car would need to meet US emissions requirements officially. I'm sorry I can't help you on those matters.

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Again, fantastic information Easy. I agree about rip off GB...It gets me to hear about the higher UK Warranty price which has now increased to 895 GBP against other sensible pricing from Germany and other EU countries.

    Well as I said before, thanks for such useful info...now should I consider the C2S or C4S?

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Now I understand more clearly. Here in the states we get offered European delivery, which is different from purchasing directly through a German auto dealer. Thanks again

    Re: How I bought my new car in Germany

    Your post prompted me to do a little more research. The information I have found out is for the 997S.

    Yes, the UK price for an extended warranty has increased to GBP895 inc 17.5% VAT. The only advantages I could see are that (1) the UK Porsche dealership I contacted was perfectly happy to sell the extended warranty by telephone WITHOUT requiring the car to be subjected to a 111 point check PROVIDED that the current warranty has not yet expired and the car has been regularly serviced at a Porsche dealer. If the current warranty has expired however then they will need to do a 111 point check first. (2) If I buy an extended warranty from a UK dealer then there are fewer administrative steps involved in getting UK Porsche Assistance (where I can call an English speaking person on a UK telephone number). (3) The UK dealer liaises that much more easily with Porsche Cars GB Ltd.

    So, is there enough price difference to justify getting the extended warranty in a coastal continental country instead? I don't think so.

    I phoned a Porsche dealer in Belgium. They quoted me 1250 Euros plus 21% BTW. This is even more expensive than the UK! I am not convinced this was the real price. It could be that they added in a mark-up.

    However, their labour charges are 55 Euros per hour plus 21% BTW. That's GBP45 per hour!! In London, Porsche dealers charge GBP120 plus VAT = GBP141 per hour!!

    Now given that their labour charges are SO cheap, I just find it hard to believe that their extended warranties are so expensive. That's why I think there's an extra mark-up.

    Both dealers I spoke to in Holland seemed less happy to sell me an extended warranty and they behaved in a somewhat suspicious manner on the phone. I wasn't impressed.

    I also phoned a German dealer. I was quoted 1150 Euros inc 16% tax.

    One thing is for sure, all the Belgian, Dutch and German dealers I spoke to insisted that they see the Service book and carry out a 111 point check first before they were prepared to sell the extended warranty.

    I think they do this because it's a neat way for them to get the UK customer to come to them for the routine servicing as well which can be done at the same time.

    In the light of all this, I think I will get (1) any warranty repair work done locally at my UK Porsche dealer, (2) an extended warranty each year by phone from a UK dealer, but (3) scheduled servicing done by an English speaking dealership in France, Belgium, Holland or Germany.

    I may even schedule this near to when I go to Europe by car on holiday.

     
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