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    What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    Yes, they are complicated. No more "points and plugs" and simple fan belts and timing lights.

    But assuming you had lots of time (and cash) and lived in a theoretical universe, what would it take to do your own maintenance on these cars?

    Say you open the engine cover and wanted to _at least_ be able to identify every component and define it's function.

    How about being able to perform the diagnostics and be able to explain to the service guy that, for example the "tank leakage diagnostics module DM-TL" or the "EV-14 Injection valve" might be the problem?

    Where could you go to learn this stuff? How much extra equipment would you need? Would you have sufficient access to the documentation (service manuals and time-dependent TSBs)? Would this be as involving as a two-semester, four credit university level class? Is the information "classified" so only Porsche Dealer Technicians can take the class?

    How far could the enthusiast go in understanding these NEW 997s?

    By contrast, is intimate working knowledge of the 993 and 996 "out there" by now and so easier to learn and master?


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    I guess it depends a lot on an individual's personal talents.

    Suggest you should try doing your own dental work first. Work up to brain surgery. If that all works, you could consider doing maintenance work on your Porsche.

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    fritz said:
    I guess it depends a lot on an individual's personal talents.

    Suggest you should try doing your own dental work first. Work up to brain surgery. If that all works, you could consider doing maintenance work on your Porsche.



    Did you HAVE to mention dental work!? it involves the most hideous pain of all. Here's a website which might help some people

    http://www.edumazing.org/moline/


    Where does one go to learn how this car is put together?

    Where can you go to at least gain knowledge of all the components and what they do and how they interact?

    Last I heard the 993 engine was the last car the owner could work on.

    Of course one's mechanical skills and experience would have to be waaaaay above average (mine are ).

    I'd have no fear if this photo were a 1970s era 911 engine. All the manuals are out there and the engine is "simple." What makes the 997 so..., I dunno..., "mysterious?"



    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    I used to do virtually all my own maintenance even as the cars became computerized. But, anymore, maintenance of any of the modern vehicles requires a number of expensive, specialized tools and, most importantly, a complete and detailed shop manual. It used to be the factory shop manual for a General Motors product was $60. Last I checked it was $200. Shop manuals for the 996 seem to be available on CD. I don't know if they are Porsche shop manuals or "Haynes" type manuals. Service documentation for the 997 seems to be hard to find. I bought my 997 recognizing my DIY days were over.

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    I dont think that this is rocket sience.

    If I see those mechanics at my Dealer, they dont seem to be engineers or any how specialy mental equipped.

    I think, its important as you said, to get anywhere the training on how to do the things. A shop manual is for sure the first step. And secondly, they have dozens of special tools (including the OBD reader). The rest should be pretty straight forward - should'nt it?

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    Lars997 said:
    I dont think that this is rocket sience.

    If I see those mechanics at my Dealer, they dont seem to be engineers or any how specialy mental equipped.

    I think, its important as you said, to get anywhere the training on how to do the things. A shop manual is for sure the first step. And secondly, they have dozens of special tools (including the OBD reader). The rest should be pretty straight forward - should'nt it?


    Most maintenance or minor repairs are not too difficult. Even the dealers no longer service engine or transmission internals - it's a lost art there. They just send the whole broken units to Porsche for new ones and reinstall...

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    I agree... this is not rocket science. People should take a look at the guys working at the auto body shop. No offense to them, but I don't think they graduated from MIT or Harvard with a PhD's... I don't know if they even graduate from High school, nor they have legal working papers here... However, they all seems to be able to pull apart and put together many different cars...

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    Routine maintenance items (ie. oil changes, filters, etc) are relatively easy, pretty straightforward and save a lot of money if you do them yourself. Simple mods like headers, mufflers, etc. are also simple tasks if your an average DIY'r.

    Diagnosing problems on todays ECU equipped cars requires special equipment and tools. I leave those to a Porsche specialist or dealer when it covered by warranty.

    Mechanical aptitude, electrical/electronic savvy, common sense, time, space and tools are the prerequisites for any DIY job.

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    I just had a great idea. Start hinting around that you want a garage lift for christmas. Assuming you have the interest and prerequisite skills, what better way to get more into knowing your car(s)?!

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    Just thinking the same thing myself. I don't think I'd try it without a decent garage lift.

    Well, we'll see. Once the P-car gets a little older and goes out of warranty, I might think about a little DIY. You know, oil changes, minor maintenance, brakes maybe... But clutch changes, air conditioning, water pumps, alternators, etc., I don't know... Too hard to get to... And doesn't disconnecting the battery get you into big trouble with a P-car?

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    Greentree said:
    Just thinking the same thing myself. I don't think I'd try it without a decent garage lift.

    Well, we'll see. Once the P-car gets a little older and goes out of warranty, I might think about a little DIY. You know, oil changes, minor maintenance, brakes maybe... But clutch changes, air conditioning, water pumps, alternators, etc., I don't know... Too hard to get to... And doesn't disconnecting the battery get you into big trouble with a P-car?



    Battery disconnect is fine. Might have to reset the PSM (not P_C_M) described in manual if I remember correctly.

    Good points about clutches, waterpumps, AC and alternators. Assuming you have certain basic skills and _experience_ working on cars, all you need is the proper instructions (service manual $$$) and a lift and a tall jack stand or two.

    I figure as long as there's no software involved, just a "simple" mechanical unbolt-rebolt thing: no problem.

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    When your working on cars theres always a chance something else will break .

    Or you end up breaking things when taking them off, trim clips etc

    I ended up breaking my fathers center consol on fis 93 ford escort, it's a banger anyway with dents and scratches etc but i try to look after it as with all my cars even if he doesnt..

    I can easily get another from the scrappy, but because we dont have a manual i didnt know how it came off when trying to get at the handbrake, and it split, it just p***** me off.

    Because i hate to break anything (unless in temper )

    But a workshop manual is a must just for looking up how you take something off, even though most things are obvious.

    It also helps having internet forms like this, i have a few for vw but i'm not on any ford ones....

    Even though fords a popular car theres no help when it comes to problems unless your on a rs owners forum.

    Where as vwvortex covers all vw's and technical stuff...

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    Dan (Edgy01) recently posted his "20000 mile DIY Maintenance" on Rennlist - an excellent read: http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=393574

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    Porsche makes it simple for the techs to work on the cars but they still dont get it right all the time. Unless my daddy left me a ton of cash he did not my time is better spent running my business, not fixing my car. It was fun working on my 73 bug in the driveway in february lol during my college years. for me i dont want to do that now I think a moon shot might might be easier than DIY

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    flyman956 said:
    It was fun working on my 73 bug in the driveway in february lol during my college years. for me i dont want to do that now



    LOL!! I know that experience very well!

    Would still be cool and useful to get one of these. Just for tightening up bolts that needed it and visual inspections and brake pads and oil changes and maybe some more involved stuff.

    Seriously, they're "only" us$3-4K (?).

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    On the PCNA web site (and presumably, other Porsche web sites), you can at least get a start on doing things yourself, as Porsche sells the technical manuals and diagnostic tools(not cheap), and you can download them.

    Frankly, I don't have all the tools - and I tend to be a bit clumsy with tools - to do it myself, although a few items are not difficult, like the oil and filter changes.

    There is an outfit - I think it's called Durametric - that sells for about U.S. $200- 250 a kit that can be plugged into the diagnostic line in your 911 - and other Porsche's, if you get the appropriate kit - that will give you the diagnostic codes and interpret them. You have to load the software onto a personal computer.

    With the diagnostic software and some tools, sounds like it could be done, at least for most simple jobs.

    (Have to be careful - I may talk myself into doing it myself!)

    Jim

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    Scissor lifts seem to be a practical solution too?

    http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/Motorcycle-ATV-Lifts-p/pmr6.htm

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    Yeah uzj, good point.

    FWIW:

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    MMD - Is that your scissor jack? How stable is it and how do work underneath without any safety stops?

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    1st997 said:
    MMD - Is that your scissor jack? How stable is it and how do work underneath without any safety stops?



    I was going to ask the same question. That seems like an ideal solution for 997 and other cars.

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    uzj100 said:
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    1st997 said:
    MMD - Is that your scissor jack? How stable is it and how do work underneath without any safety stops?



    I was going to ask the same question. That seems like an ideal solution for 997 and other cars.



    I dunno guys, it's not mine. You're smart (like me ) cause THAT's the first thing I thought of too. DEFinitely would have to get some jack-stands going under there. The unit prolly has a mechanical lock (like a hefty pin that you slide in) to prevent an unplanned drop. Nevertheless I'd _still_ use stands; can you imagine? Would be an awful way to get crippled or killed (embarassing _and_ painful).

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    Reference MMDs comment: Where can you go to at least gain knowledge of all the components and what they do and how they interact? I tried to attach a .pdf of a 117-page Porsche brochure designed to give their sales personnel another layer of understanding to share with potential buyers with more technical questions. The file is larger than Rennteam will attach. Email me at bond00e@aol.com if you would like a copy.

    I change oil and filter every 5,000 miles. I changed all brake pads and front rotors at 30,000 miles (I do track the car). Also removed the front facia to install stainless steel screens in the radiator inlets. Hopefully the pic attached. I got tired of straightening the radiator fins. A friend printed the factory instructions for removing the facia. Can share those too. Interesting question about what happens and how to recover when disconnecting the battery. Who knows?

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    Craig Bond said:
    Also removed the front facia to install stainless steel screens in the radiator inlets. Hopefully the pic attached. I got tired of straightening the radiator fins. A friend printed the factory instructions for removing the facia. Can share those too. Interesting question about what happens and how to recover when disconnecting the battery. Who knows?



    Battery disconnect is not a problem. Did it on my 997S a "dozen" times when I was having trouble. Only thing that can go wrong is your PSM (yes, PSM) can need resetting. Resets by going in reverse a few feet (see manual) if you're unlucky it will have to be reset at dealer.

    Front facia pic and instructions could be helpful, try again if you get a chance. Eventually f removal is a good idea for most to clean in there.

    See current "steal these books" thread if you haven't already for books that explain car's systems.


    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    I did my 20,000 mile service and it was nothing. I used to have the factory workshop manuals for my earlier 911s. I have the equivalent to that for my 997, today. Most stuff is a lot easier today, and there is less to do, and a bigger period between those services. There's a lot to say for the newer cars!

    Dan

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    Dan L said:
    I used to have the factory workshop manuals for my earlier [cars].



    Ah..., yes! _Those_ were the days.

    Re: What Would It Take To DIY Maintain Your 997?

    While it does not look like much under the hood the 997 is actually very simple to work on. Everytime I work on it I marvel at how simple they have made the car (and that technicans bill the hours they do for simple stuff!).
    As you work on a modern day 911 (and I have worked on many of the old classic air cooled cars) you realized how much thought went into serviceability. The fasteners, the assemblies, everything is wonderfully engineered. If you own one of these cars and you do not tear into it a little to work on it you are really missing half the beauty of these engineering marvels.
    Peace!

    Join Renntech.org if you are interested in more DIY as they are more technical in their posts and have tons of DIY information. Using the information at RennTech.org I have changed 996 sparkplugs, broken suspension cross-members, transmission fluid, control modules, etc.
    They also have all current recalls and service bulletins listed.
    Oh, and of course - I love my Durametric software! A must for DIY.

     
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