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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    A fully transparent market would ultimately be best for everyone, including Ferrari.


    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    Transparent market is certainly not the norm with dealers involved and so for any type of business. these dealers are private entities and runs the system as they wish. There is no chance to see any change in future...
     


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    I can see it from the dealer’s perspective - they will get one or two allocations and want to maximize what they can earn from the deal. But the manufacturer could maximize their revenue by offering all examples to who will pay the most, including their own dealers. But I am not surprised to see these types of games, just surprised they came to light a little bit.


    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    When your business model is based on limiting production of what you sell, it just follows that a "fair" distribution of your products will be difficult and contentious no matter what.  This would be true even if there were no dealers, and the manufacturer took on direct sales themselves.... but the dealer system allows them to distance from these allocation decisions. 


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    By the very definition of limiting production, there will not be a fair distribution of products, these two attributes cannot co-exist.

    Look at the Ford GT, Ford took away the dealers decision making yet still some unworthy people still let their hands on one. it will always comes down to the human element, or human relationship. He who has a buddy in the decision making process will get a leg up.

    The 935 is another example, it was to be 70 cars, but the human relationship element made Porsche do another 7.

     


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    I understand that the current system has human elements, and opaque rules, but if they simply had an open auction for build slots what would happen?


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    mcdelaug:

    I understand that the current system has human elements, and opaque rules, but if they simply had an open auction for build slots what would happen?

     

    Speculators will populate every single build slot. Simple.

    End goal of every manufacturer is to weed out the speculators and leaving their loyal customers as the ones buying.


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    Did Ferrari corporate catch this guy or were they completely unaware of what he was doing ??


    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    GT-Boy:

    Did Ferrari corporate catch this guy or were they completely unaware of what he was doing ??

     

    Ferrari absolutely knows what he was doing. And turned a blind eye over. it was after all, how Ferrari operates. I know first hand. 🤷🏻‍♂️

     

     


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    Normally limited edition cars are made available to to the manufacturer best customers. Not all customers want them and that starts the shenanigans. Every manufacturer runs into this and there is little they can do to stop it if they wanted to. If I owned Ferrari I would allow it to happen AS LONG AS MY BEST CUSTOMERS HAD FIRST DIBS AND DECLINED. For the most part that’s what occurs.


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    From what is reported it sounds like Ferrari knew, and may or may not have tacitly approved. Maybe Ferrari corporate wasn’t thrilled with his pocketing the cash and that awareness led to his transition to Bugatti? Even so, this would probably have never come to light if it had not been for these payments not being declared on his US income tax. It would be interesting to know how that information was provided to the IRS... Did a connected customer complain? Did Ferrari disclose something? Did his Spanish bank deposits trigger some reporting threshold?


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    US's IRS has always been the best tool for prosecution, doesn't matter who the target is. weird but true.

    IRS only sees money, they don't care how the money is made as long as taxes is paid.

    Even Al Capone was sunk by the tax office.

     


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    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    Watch market is the same 


    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    Whoopsy:

     

    The 935 is another example, it was to be 70 cars, but the human relationship element made Porsche do another 7.

     

    if you would know how much the Porsche/Piech clan picked up......


    Re: About those hard to buy Ferraris...........

    The 911 turbo S which has 650 hp and 0-100 in 2.8 and 0-200 in 8.9, 330 kmh, costs in italy 225.000 Euro, and weight of ca 1750 kg.

    Mc 20 630 hp 0-100 2.9  0-200 8.8 325 kmh costs in Italy ( seems to be official 200.000), weight 1500 and mid engine

    Now the good and the bad about maserati, is that it is noot porsche quality and all the rest, but it is more exotic, but only way to sell is a good price, and if you get the same prestanda as the top 911 with 25/30k less price.....why not????

    not comparable?? maybe , but deliver the same speed in a very different way i guess, no other car is much faster anyway, I think the mc 20 belongs to the fastest car to buy??maybe with 700 hp it would have done 0-10 in 2.7 and 0-200 in 8.7...would that have changed much?? dont think..lets see how it handles first.


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