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    Technology and Style . . .

    In regards to technology and style, does anyone think the 2010 GT3 will be outdated in about 3-5 years? Are any major upgrades planned for the mid term future?

    There is a 2010 GT3 that I am seriously thinking about buying (it would be my first 911 Smiley) so I want to make sure it will be the best Smiley.

    Thanks a bunch!


    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    You would have to give your definition of "outdated". Odds are that it will no longer be at the very top of the food chain but will it still be an amazing and potent piece of machinery? YES

    It certainly offers "great value" (everything is relative) if you consider price, performance, and fun factor. That will not change, so if it offers what you are looking for, and if you can afford the price of entry, then there is  no reason to deny yourself. In other words... you can't go wrong

     

    BTW, great introduction to the P-world


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    Pilot:

    In regards to technology and style, does anyone think the 2010 GT3 will be outdated in about 3-5 years? Are any major upgrades planned for the mid term future?

    There is a 2010 GT3 that I am seriously thinking about buying (it would be my first 911 Smiley) so I want to make sure it will be the best Smiley.

    Thanks a bunch!

    +1 to everything FFaust wrote. Smiley

    911 GT models do not follow each other seamlessly. There is generally a gap between generations when they are not available, because the updated versions come onto the scene with some delay in relation to the 911 Carrera or Turbo base models that they are derived from.
    So in 3 years time you might find that no new GT3s are currently being built anyway, and in 5 years time you shoud have got a hell of a lot of mileage and pleasure out of any MY 2010 car you might buy. 
    You only live once, and you might even miss that if you always wait for the next new thing. Smiley

    Since it would be your first 911 ever, you just need to be sure before pulling the trigger that the GT3 is the right version for you, because it is fully intended to be quite a hard-core car so it naturally follows that it is not a mass-market model. 


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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Pilot:

    In regards to technology and style, does anyone think the 2010 GT3 will be outdated in about 3-5 years? 

     As we all know, evolve and flourish, stagnate and die. The same applies to the GT3. Of course it will evolve into something better and I think it'll happen within 3-4 years. All one has to do is look at the previous generation GT3 (997.1). With regard to it being outdated... I personally don't think that the 997.1 GT3 is outdated and neither are the older GT3's (996 etc). IMO, that is the added benefit of GT3's, all the models retain their own special flair and dedicated aficionados. The GT3's fall into the realm of a specialist car and due to that fact they will "age" better and maybe even retain their values a little bit better. 

    As has been mentioned before, if the car ticks the right boxes for you, its worth getting.

    Just make sure you get the go faster black version! Good luck with your decision and welcome to the forum.


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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Buyer remorse rule #1:

    as soon as you buy something, IT IS OUTDATED...

     


    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Haku:

    Haku, to help our friend here (and maybe some others as well Smiley), how has it been living with the GT3? How friendly is it as a DD or on less-than-perfect roads (not sure if you have any of those where you are though, lol)
    Don't know if you have been able to put enough miles on the black beauty, or what you came from prior, but it would be interesting to have some comments after the first few months of ownership Smiley

    Expectations v. reality?


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    FFaust:
    Haku:

    Haku, to help our friend here (and maybe some others as well Smiley), how has it been living with the GT3? How friendly is it as a DD or on less-than-perfect roads (not sure if you have any of those where you are though, lol)
    Don't know if you have been able to put enough miles on the black beauty, or what you came from prior, but it would be interesting to have some comments after the first few months of ownership Smiley

    Expectations v. reality?

     Due to the weather I've only managed to put on a few hundred miles more on the car. Having said that they have been nothing short of spectacular. My previous 997's (C4S, TT, 4S PDK) were all terrific cars and handled beautifully but nothing has equalled the GT3 in terms of handling and exhileration. 

    The car has now done slightly over 1100 miles and I've been told that it's ok to start gently pushing the revs now. With that in mind I took the car out on some twisties a couple of days ago and drove the car semi-spiritedly and my!... what a difference than sedately driving this car! At one point I was on a straight and shifted into 3rd and floored it to around 6.5-7k revs and the thing becomes an absolute beast! It gave me a wondrous adrenaline gush resulting in a grin from ear to ear! 4th and 5th were delightfully shifted with handling just getting better and better. Simply astounding!

    I've been used to the power surge of the TT which at times I had been missing in the GT3... little did I know what was in store once the car starts flexing its muscle. Even driven by a modestly experienced driver like myself this car is nothing short of phenomenal. I can only imagine what it must be like in the hands of an accomplished driver. I can't wait for more learning and exhilarating experiences with the GT3.

    In spite of how amazing I find the GT3 to be, potential owners really should be aware that it is a "drivers" car. It is quite different to any other 997. I do not use the car as a daily driver as it was bought by me to enjoy the wonderful roads we have in the mountains of TN and NC. For that purpose it is perfect. I'm not sure if I would buy a GT3 if I was in a city and used it for a commute. One other thing potential buyers need to consider if the car is not going to be tracked too often, is to change the tires from Michelin cups to PS2's which will offer longer wear and better traction in the wet.

    In summary, for the type of sports car driving I wanted to do, the GT3 has so far exceeded my expectations.



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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Thanks, that's the kind of info I was looking for


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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    I think that may be a common concern for some of the buyers who are looking at the car, but haven´t driven it yet. After you drive it, though, you quickly discover, in about the first 50 meters of it just rolling on the road under you, that it´s all nonsense. It´s a creation that will never be out of date and if you have a sensitivity for mechanical things, the car speaks to you and seduces you like a perfect woman after three drinks.

    It certainly has performance, sound and design that already belong in the history books, a contemporary classic, so don´t worry about that.

    Put another way, how many GT3 owners do you know who would tell you that they don´t like their car?

    The GT3 was also my first Porsche, specifically for the reason that I dreaded the possibility of buying a Cayman or C2S and then regretting it. I daren´t use it every day, it is hard to live with on bad roads, but to just have posession of it and to use it on the weekends for the single purpose of driving it and being with it is bliss...

    Aim high.


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    MarekN:

    ... the car speaks to you and seduces you like a perfect woman after three drinks.

     

     That line belongs in the Porsche museum! Just the perfect explanation.


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    Not sure if you are the "pilot" of the chopper shown... but if you do happen to know helicopters then you might say the 911 is the Bell 206 Jetranger of sports cars.... the basic design has not changed in a long time, it still performs, and when you're in one you don't much care when the first one was made... Smiley   (but your sig. looks like an A-star....)


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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    To the OP:

        Is a '67 911 S outdated?

        Is a 930 outdated?

        Is a Ferrari F40 outdated?

    If you answer yes to those questions, the answer to your question will also be yes. Most people these days buying 911s do it for the image... and just as quickly as they change a shirt, they change cars. :)


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    Haku:
    MarekN:

    ... the car speaks to you and seduces you like a perfect woman after three drinks.

     

     That line belongs in the Porsche museum! Just the perfect explanation.

    2x Smiley

     


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    4trac:

    Not sure if you are the "pilot" of the chopper shown... but if you do happen to know helicopters then you might say the 911 is the Bell 206 Jetranger of sports cars.... the basic design has not changed in a long time, it still performs, and when you're in one you don't much care when the first one was made... Smiley   (but your sig. looks like an A-star....)

    Yep, instructor pilot in the Astar B3 Ecureuil.


    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Haku:
    Pilot:

    In regards to technology and style, does anyone think the 2010 GT3 will be outdated in about 3-5 years? 

     As has been mentioned before, if the car ticks the right boxes for you, its worth getting.

    Just make sure you get the go faster black version! Good luck with your decision and welcome to the forum.

    Thanks for the welcome. Would Riviera Blue still be o.k? Smiley


    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    fritz:
    Pilot:

    In regards to technology and style, does anyone think the 2010 GT3 will be outdated in about 3-5 years? Are any major upgrades planned for the mid term future?

    There is a 2010 GT3 that I am seriously thinking about buying (it would be my first 911 Smiley) so I want to make sure it will be the best Smiley.

    Thanks a bunch!

    +1 to everything FFaust wrote. Smiley

    911 GT models do not follow each other seamlessly. There is generally a gap between generations when they are not available, because the updated versions come onto the scene with some delay in relation to the 911 Carrera or Turbo base models that they are derived from.
    So in 3 years time you might find that no new GT3s are currently being built anyway, and in 5 years time you shoud have got a hell of a lot of mileage and pleasure out of any MY 2010 car you might buy. 
    You only live once, and you might even miss that if you always wait for the next new thing. Smiley

    Since it would be your first 911 ever, you just need to be sure before pulling the trigger that the GT3 is the right version for you, because it is fully intended to be quite a hard-core car so it naturally follows that it is not a mass-market model. 

    The only thing holding me back is the price tag, the car I'm looking at is fully loaded plus more, but she is really beautiful. What is everyone paying these days in the U.S.? MSRP? below? above? Do you pay cash or how much do you usually put down? I have all options available. The dealer is asking MSRP. Thanks.


    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Pilot:
    The only thing holding me back is the price tag, the car I'm looking at is fully loaded plus more, but she is really beautiful. What is everyone paying these days in the U.S.? MSRP? below? above? Do you pay cash or how much do you usually put down? I have all options available. The dealer is asking MSRP. Thanks.

     Riviera Blue will be stunning. When I bought mine a couple of months ago I got around 5k off. Inventories were dwindling but a few GT3's were still around and the dealer wanted a quick sale. Things may have changed over the last couple of months and GT3's I know are drying up so the discount may be affected. Its worth naming your price and just see what the dealer comes back to you with.

    What is the spec on the car? A point of note, on GT3's more is not always better. Some hardcore GT3 owners may prefer a no frills car to keep the weight down while others (me included) would want comfy seats and sat nav and other creature comforts. Just make sure that the car has the options you like or need for the type of driving you are likely to do.

    Good luck and I can't wait to welcome another GT3 to the forum.


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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    +1 on the colour.

    The thing with P-cars, although possibly different with the GT3, is that most are individual due to options etc. So, when you find the one you like, with the options you want, consider yourself lucky... unless you special order but that's different. GT3 cars are different because, since they are intended mainly as track cars, the basic build is close to optimum.

    As Haku said, inventory might be starting to dry up; the economy is slowly recovering and, if memory serves, production is done for MY 2010.

    MSRP for the car YOU want is not a bad deal. Leasing is generally more expensive and less flexible than owning but it also depends on the rates being offered and weather or not you want to give the car back at the end. I think P Finance is offering leases at ~ 2.8% (?) in US whereas they are at 8+% in Canada, so leasing might work for you.

    Yes the price might seem high but, as many folks have said elsewhere on the forum, the GT3 probably offers the most value of any current P-car.

    So go ahead and make your avatar reality, and please report back.

    Just to push you over the edge

     

    997.2 GT3 Blue.jpg997.2 GT3 Blue Back.jpg


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    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Haku:
    Riviera Blue will be stunning. When I bought mine a couple of months ago I got around 5k off. Inventories were dwindling but a few GT3's were still around and the dealer wanted a quick sale. Things may have changed over the last couple of months and GT3's I know are drying up so the discount may be affected. Its worth naming your price and just see what the dealer comes back to you with.

    What is the spec on the car? A point of note, on GT3's more is not always better. Some hardcore GT3 owners may prefer a no frills car to keep the weight down while others (me included) would want comfy seats and sat nav and other creature comforts. Just make sure that the car has the options you like or need for the type of driving you are likely to do.

    Good luck and I can't wait to welcome another GT3 to the forum.

    I agree, Riviera Blue is just stunning. Here is the list of options this car has:

    640 - Sport Chrono Package Plus
    25901 - Exterior Color to Sample
    P23 - PCM 3.0 w/ Extended Navigation
    CDM - Trim Strip Painted Ext Clr
    450 - Ceramic Composite Brakes-PCCB
    25851 - Seat Stitching Deviating Color
    24905 - Rear Side Panel Dev.Stitching
    24904 - Dev.Stitching Side Centr Cnsl
    24903 - Door Handle Stitching Dev.Clr.
    24902 - Door Stitching in Dev. Color
    24901 - Dashboard Stitching Dev. Color
    09991 - All Excl.Opt Stitch Dev Color
    P01 - Adaptive Sport Seats
    CFX - Floor Mats With Colored Trim
    CDN - Air Vent Slats Painted Ext Clr
    789 - 997 Paint To Sample
    870 - Universal Audio Interface
    619 - Bluetooth Phone Interface
    603 - Dynamic Cornering Lights
    490 - Sound Package Plus
    474 - Front Axle Lifting System
    342 - Heated Front Seats
    140 - Dynamic Engine Mounts
    XSC - Porsche Crest in Headrest
    XME - Rear Ctr Cons Painted Extr Clr

    PCCB, Nav, and Adaptive Seats weren't really on my wish list. I heard so many pros and cons about the PCCBs. What is the latest on that?

    Like I said, this car is beautiful but pricey, I will try and negotiate a better deal. Any advice on how to approach this whole thing? Thanks.


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    FFaust:
    So go ahead and make your avatar reality, and please report back.

     I will try and do my best.

    Just to push you over the edge

    Too late for that. Smiley


    Re: Technology and Style . . .

    Wow, it's obvious why it's pricey, that's one loaded car

    I think that the only con re the PCCB is the price. Gen 1 had issues but those are long gone.

    Good luck,


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