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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    I like 997 more too but if I need to buy a new car I would get the 991 over a used GTS.
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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Rossi:

    I fully agree with John and Gnil. kiss

    The 991 is a nice car and if you are looking for a new Porsche, you can't go wrong ordering one. Especially as a cabrio it looks beautiful. But if you got a 997.2 no matter which model, there is absolutely no need to change. (Different than in case of the new Boxster: 981 wins hands down). I even think the interior of the 997 is better than the new one. For me the 997 is already a classic 911 like the 993 or the G-model.

    +1 - Happy with the Mk2 and wrestling a manual Smiley


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    reginos:

    I don't agree that the GTS is materially superior to the S. A good value for money yes, as any end of the line special is expected to be. The areas where the 991 is superior to the the 997.2 S is also superior to the GTS. But in both cases not so much better as to spend the extra cash.

    There are a few aspects where the 997 'GTS' supersedes the 'S'... apart from value for money.

    23 more horses.  Wide body on RWD.  RS Spyder CL wheels.  Sport Design front apron.  Special side-skirts.  Interior alcantara (if you want it!).  Standard PSE.  Power-train intake upgrades to boost output.  Earlier maximum torque.... just to name a few that spring to mind!

    Not saying that the 997.2S is not a great car... it is, but the GTS does have certain advantages...Smiley

     


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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Another video from that MT Best Driver's Car contest. This time a drag race.

    Could you believe how 911 manages to outrun much stronger rivals! Amazing!

    Seems like there should be a new power unit definition: PS=PorscheStarke

    Those ponies are really beefed up, aren't they!!

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    John H:

    Having driven the 991 C2S for a whole week-end, I honestly don't think it beats my current 997.2 GTS in any aspect of performance or driver enjoyment.

    Suffice to say, I won't be tempted to move to the 991 merely because it's a later model...enlightened

     

    Have to agree with you 100% on this one.  Smiley


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    The 991 Carrera S is the faster car under most circumstances (not talking about straight line only) and adding the powerkit would widen the gap even further. On the other hand, the GTS isn't so bad that I would immediately switch to the 991 Carrera S.

    However, if I had the choice to buy a GTS or the new 991 Carrera S now, I would opt for the 991. Unless of course the price difference would be huge (more than 30k or so).


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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    RC:

    The 991 Carrera S is the faster car under most circumstances (not talking about straight line only) and adding the powerkit would widen the gap even further. On the other hand, the GTS isn't so bad that I would immediately switch to the 991 Carrera S.

    However, if I had the choice to buy a GTS or the new 991 Carrera S now, I would opt for the 991. Unless of course the price difference would be huge (more than 30k or so).

    Just had a look at a recent test of the Carrera S in the German press: 0-200 kph in 16.4s - not what I expected Smiley


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Markus, AMS tested manual 991S and even they mentioned that car is much slower then PDK version. Manual 991S is over 2s slower then PDK in 0-200km/h.

    My advice to potential 991 buyers-go for PDK ONLY. Forthcoming GT3 and Turbo versions included.


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    I'm pretty curious to my experience next monday.

    I'm going for a testdrive with the 991S cab.

    After 2 years without porsche and driving a splendid R8 (missing the cab though) i'm not sure what to expect from the 991.

    I had the chance to be codriver in a 981S pdk and was pretty impressed...But as a lover of openairdriving i found the boxster too "windy" for our belgian climate.

    The "cocoon" of our 997 cab was far more "wind-less" than the 981.

    More next week...


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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Could not find this video.  Could you post?  How did 991 do?


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    beltar:

    I'm pretty curious to my experience next monday.

    I'm going for a testdrive with the 991S cab.

    After 2 years without porsche and driving a splendid R8 (missing the cab though) i'm not sure what to expect from the 991.

    I had the chance to be codriver in a 981S pdk and was pretty impressed...But as a lover of openairdriving i found the boxster too "windy" for our belgian climate.

    The "cocoon" of our 997 cab was far more "wind-less" than the 981.

    More next week...

    WIll be interesting to read your comments on both cars after the 991 testdrive Smiley


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Wonderbar:

    Could not find this video.  Could you post?  How did 991 do?

    Please see this thread. Smiley

    https://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=10#PostDetailsTitlePortlet


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    991 Cab, with electric wind deflector and windows up, and roof down, a place of near calm at motorway cruising speeds .. much much less blustery than 981. 


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    sfo:

    991 Cab, with electric wind deflector and windows up, and roof down, a place of near calm at motorway cruising speeds .. much much less blustery than 981. 

    I thought the mesh deflector was supposed to eliminate this problem at the expense of not being able to see police cars behind you until they are flashing their lights and sirens!


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    boytronic:
    sfo:

    991 Cab, with electric wind deflector and windows up, and roof down, a place of near calm at motorway cruising speeds .. much much less blustery than 981. 

    I thought the mesh deflector was supposed to eliminate this problem at the expense of not being able to see police cars behind you until they are flashing their lights and sirens!

     it doesn't


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    boytronic:
    sfo:

    991 Cab, with electric wind deflector and windows up, and roof down, a place of near calm at motorway cruising speeds .. much much less blustery than 981. 

    I thought the mesh deflector was supposed to eliminate this problem at the expense of not being able to see police cars behind you until they are flashing their lights and sirens!

    I can only approve this after testing both...


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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    New video from Porsche>

    kisswink

     

     


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    where?


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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Somehow the embedding wasn't working.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSpVN0-wio


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    dxpetrov:

    Somehow the embedding wasn't working.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSpVN0-wio

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    How does this compare to 997.2, or 997.2 TT?


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Wonderbar:

    How does this compare to 997.2, or 997.2 TT?

    991 Carrera S 7:37 (Porsche)
    997.2 Turbo S 7:44 (Sport Auto)
     


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    Wow...


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    impressive!!


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    BiTurbo:
    Wonderbar:

    How does this compare to 997.2, or 997.2 TT?

    991 Carrera S 7:37 (Porsche)
    997.2 Turbo S 7:44 (Sport Auto)
     

    Let's add time from Sport Auto Supertest of 991 Carrera S 7:44min.

    Also, it is clear from video that example of 991S was equiped with Bucket seats, example that Sport Auto had was equiped with Adaptive seats plus. Further, we do not know if that Porsche example was equiped with X51 or not. IMHO 8s difference between HvS and factory Porsche driver is a huge difference. We need to put more light on facts...


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    if a 991 can match a torque and HP moster like the TurboS it is already a incredible achievement - for me very questionable.....anything else is probably a NBR set up...


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S driven by Timo Kluck at the Nurburgring...

    Porsche 911 Carrera S driven by Timo Kluck -- Video Link

    2004 Porsche Carrera GT driven by Marc Basseng at the Nurburgring...

    Porsche Carrera GT driven by Marc Basseng -- Video Link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    2012 991 Carrera 350 HP PDK w/ sports suspention -20 mm, SPASM, 20" wheels and standard tires, torque vectoring diff, sport chrono, sport exhaust  angel

     

     


    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    BiTurbo:

    2012 991 Carrera 350 HP PDK w/ sports suspention -20 mm, SPASM, 20" wheels and standard tires, torque vectoring diff, sport chrono, sport exhaust  angel

     

     

     

    Flying start...not really comparable. Smiley


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    Re: ROAD-TEST: New 991 CarreraS

    BjoernB:

    if a 991 can match a torque and HP moster like the TurboS it is already a incredible achievement - for me very questionable.....anything else is probably a NBR set up...

    Wait until you see the 991 Turbo time... Smiley Smiley

    Porsche really raises the bar here...I want to see how the competition copes with that in the near future.


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