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    Jul 25, 2005 7:08:16 PM

    69bossnine
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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

    My KTM 520EXC has a kickstarter and a button-start. The kickstarter is back-up if your battery croaks. I'll tell you what, when you're half-way through a hair scramble race, and you get tangled-up with another bike in a mud-pit, and it's all you can do to get the energy to get the bike standing upright again, you want to KISS that little button after you press it and your bike fires right back up, and you leave your opponent sitting in the middle of the mud kicking and kicking and kicking within an inch of a heart attack! Don't take away my "magic button"!!

    Jul 25, 2005 7:24:49 PM

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    I don't want to remove the "magic button". I want to have both.

    Jul 25, 2005 9:40:12 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

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    Speedshifting takes more hand-foot coordination, and is my technique of choice. The act of clutch release/engagement is properly timed with a small release of throttle, enough to keep the throttle up in the power curve but without nailing the rev-limiter.


    Hi 69bossnine, just a side question... For daily driving, do you know will shifting with slight release of throttle hurts the car (synco, clutch, etc...) more than completely release the throttle?

    Jul 26, 2005 2:20:20 PM

    69bossnine
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    That's tough to answer, as when I'm "daily driving", my driving style varies wildly from totally lazy and laid-back, to playing wannabe F1 star. It also depends on how quickly you naturally shift, just driving regularly. Here's the bottom line. What I was sketching out up above was my recipe for getting a car from zero-to-wherever as fast as possible. The only thing that I would take from that, and apply to every-day driving, is the fact that shifting should be a fluid and coordinated single motion/event, not a series of individual steps. With regards to the throttle lift, for everyday driving you need to match the rpm's with the gear you are launching into, for minimum clutch wear. In drag racing, that's not a concern, it's screw the clutch, full-power-ahead. But everyday, you don't want to have the engine singing at 5,500 or 6,000 grand or more as you engage the clutch into another gear, you're just eating clutch life. Let off the throttle enough to match the gear for a smooth upshift. You don't need to completely release the throttle, but everything depends on your aptitude, and how much time you naturally take between gears. Your main concern is matching engine RPM properly to the gear you're going into, and releasing the clutch quickly yet smoothly within that match. Folks who don't give this concern, or don't have the coordination for doing it well, are the ones who go through clutch sets like they do tires.

    Jul 26, 2005 4:55:11 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

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    I have SMG in my M3 and I loooooove it. I guess there's nothing sporty about it now. Still, I love screwing around a corner and shifting in an instant at the right moment without any imbalance caused by a heavy leg and jerky arm movement. A few Clicks and down shift pass the bast*rd in a few seconds and then back to normal, no problem. I love being in traffic with it set on "auto" and then transforming the car back again into a monster when the lanes open up. Sounds soooo UN-sporty to me! (kidding).





    I'll miss my SMG too. I ordered the Porsche with manual but it's hard to beat an SMG tranny for the pure grin factor. Taking an empty roundabout fast with a flick down/power on/flick up is just soooooo much fun!
    Mind you, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that i'm a crap driver, SMG makes it easy for me!

    br d

    Jul 26, 2005 8:52:51 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

    Quote:
    br d said:
    Quote:
    MMD said:
    I have SMG in my M3 and I loooooove it. I guess there's nothing sporty about it now. Still, I love screwing around a corner and shifting in an instant at the right moment without any imbalance caused by a heavy leg and jerky arm movement. A few Clicks and down shift pass the bast*rd in a few seconds and then back to normal, no problem. I love being in traffic with it set on "auto" and then transforming the car back again into a monster when the lanes open up. Sounds soooo UN-sporty to me! (kidding).





    I'll miss my SMG too. I ordered the Porsche with manual but it's hard to beat an SMG tranny for the pure grin factor. Taking an empty roundabout fast with a flick down/power on/flick up is just soooooo much fun!
    Mind you, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that i'm a crap driver, SMG makes it easy for me!

    br d


    Teach yourself how to do heel-toe downshifts well and you'll be even more entertained

    Jul 26, 2005 8:59:27 PM

    69bossnine
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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

    Quote:
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    Quote:
    br d said:
    Quote:
    MMD said:
    I have SMG in my M3 and I loooooove it. I guess there's nothing sporty about it now. Still, I love screwing around a corner and shifting in an instant at the right moment without any imbalance caused by a heavy leg and jerky arm movement. A few Clicks and down shift pass the bast*rd in a few seconds and then back to normal, no problem. I love being in traffic with it set on "auto" and then transforming the car back again into a monster when the lanes open up. Sounds soooo UN-sporty to me! (kidding).





    I'll miss my SMG too. I ordered the Porsche with manual but it's hard to beat an SMG tranny for the pure grin factor. Taking an empty roundabout fast with a flick down/power on/flick up is just soooooo much fun!
    Mind you, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that i'm a crap driver, SMG makes it easy for me!

    br d


    Teach yourself how to do heel-toe downshifts well and you'll be even more entertained



    Word up....

    Jul 27, 2005 1:21:28 AM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

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    Teach yourself how to do heel-toe downshifts well and you'll be even more entertained



    Yes! I somehow learned to do that to rev match and get faster shifts in my old BMW whan I was younger. Was alot of fun. Of course perfect shifts are an artform and it's very gratifying to perform them.

    Nowadays I don't give a sh*t for very long when I'm driving my usual circuit to the office and back. I just want to get there without a parade of slowpokes in front of me. I'm not really into connecting with the car in that manner. takes too much work and concentration.In a way SMG is safer. blah blah blah... just my two cents.

    I'm glad the eventual delivery of the 997S will have the manual again... .

    Jul 27, 2005 2:56:49 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

    Quote:
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    Teach yourself how to do heel-toe downshifts well and you'll be even more entertained



    I've been reading performance car forums for about 3 years now and I have to admit I have no idea what heel-toe shifting involves (apart from the obvious descriptive element). How do you do them and what is the advantage?

    br d

    Jul 27, 2005 3:41:14 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

    Quote:
    br d said:
    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Teach yourself how to do heel-toe downshifts well and you'll be even more entertained



    I've been reading performance car forums for about 3 years now and I have to admit I have no idea what heel-toe shifting involves (apart from the obvious descriptive element). How do you do them and what is the advantage?

    br d



    Then you must not have been following Rennteam for very long. Here's a thread to read. Enjoy.

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=77771&page=&fpart=1&vc=1

    Jul 27, 2005 4:06:50 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

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    Then you must not have been following Rennteam for very long. Here's a thread to read. Enjoy.

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=77771&page=&fpart=1&vc=1



    Thank you Alan! I've only really been keeping up with stuff here for a couple of months because the car is almost here.

    5 weeks!

    br d

    Jul 27, 2005 7:55:46 PM

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    Re: 0-60MPH in 4.33sec......

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    Considering that 0-60 requires only one shift, I'll start worrying about the advantage of a 100 millisecond shift when 0-60 times are published to the millisecond. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that the factory's launch-program is more aggressive than what could be accomplished manually, so those 100 millisecond shifts could be negated by 300 milliseconds left unused at the starting line.



    You have to try "Launch Control" in a F-car.
    http://www.baileycar.com/stradale_html.html

    Jul 27, 2005 8:36:44 PM

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    Until a Ferrari lifts the front wheels a foot off the ground and holds them airborne for the first 60-100 feet, launch control in a Ferrari isn't going to dazzle me much more than I've already experienced.

    If an independent magazine were to try their luck directly comparing an F1 Modena with a 6-speed Modena, 0 to 60 feet, mechanical abuse be-damned, with an experienced drag professional rowing the clutch on the manual car, I'd be very interested to see which car got out of the hole quickest, for sure. I'm not saying that I know the outcome, I'm just saying that we DON'T know the outcome. It would be fun to find out. If anybody wants to donate their Ferraris for a Florida F1 vs. 6-speed shootout, drop me a line!!!

    Jul 28, 2005 2:53:08 AM

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    69bossnine -thank you for articulating you knowledge and experiences so clearly in this forum. You and RC have been exceptional over the past year.
     
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