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RC said:
Got this in: 450 HP. Did somebody hear the same? Just curious.
I read 450 hp in some articles (magazines, internet).
Dealer keeps telling me that it will be "close to 500 hp".
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RC said:
I know that dealers keep telling customers "close to 500 HP" but I heard lately that Ferrari keeps the power at around 450 HP for various reasons (one rumor indicates durability issues) and wants to offer later on a F430 CS or Evoluzione (or whatever the name) with a modified engine and "close to 500 HP".
We might know more in September...
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Whatever the figure, to beat the 550bhp+ 516ftlbs Ford GT, you need rather more than a puny N/A 4.2 V8.
The Gallardo with its 0-100mph in 9 flat is also a tough ask, I wouldn't have too much faith in the car if It had 480hp even.
500bhp is the minimum these days for a 100K car.
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Look I'm not getting into this whole argument into what is cheating or not. Mercedes has been using SOHC for over a decade now and 3 valves per cylinder purely for economy and emissions control. For an everday car low down torque and durability are far more important than 9000rpm redline and stretching an engine to its limits, its ok in a sportscar and thats fine, Mercedes never pretends to build sportscars, so there is even no argument at all.
You can stick to supporting 100hp/litre engines but don't think that they're the best in the world.
Agressive gearing on a torque less engine is fine, but coupled to a torquey engine it makes for scinitillating performance in every gear at any speed. Ferrari should know that to beat the Gallardo's engine they have a tough job, and I'm not the only one that thinks so. HP is HP, it sells cars.
Jun 17, 2004 10:11:08 PM
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Mercedes has been using SOHC for over a decade now and 3 valves per cylinder purely for economy and emissions control.
Jun 18, 2004 9:06:07 AM
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Jun 18, 2004 2:23:43 PM
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Equally powered? Yes.
But: 20% less torque!
You keep the 20% torque, and I'll keep the better power delivery and instant and fast rev's hence CGT, Enzo, Zonda, etc are N/A, and Veyron, SLR, Koenigsegg are not
Jun 18, 2004 2:56:46 PM
Jun 19, 2004 4:01:05 AM
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watt said:
Carlos my friend,
GT2 is a wonderful car; but the zest and vivacity of the CS, the focused design is so uplifting!!! just look at the carbon mirror and door interior panels.... wow.
a CS is markedly slower than a GT2 but so magnificent. classic german stereotype vs. italian, but with the italian now adding reliability and great engineering... and the german losing its focus and karma in search of volume and profit.
if i was driving my long drives through Nevada hammering it to redline in all 6 gears, i could love nothing but a gt2, but i do that rarely now. but around town and the mountains, the CS is more amusing [and any potential fragility less threatening]. and perhaps i have bored myself with 3 Gt2's and need some variety?????
and the gt3 is truly a wonderful car!!!! performing like a CS but w/o the obvious beauty and emotion... delightful on the track... and 1/2 the cost, eh?
do i make any sense??? these are the 3 finest cars i have ever experienced.... and NA vs Turbo isnt the issue [HP as you pose the ? could be equal but torque would not]. the absolute reliability under heavy usage of gt2/3 has great beauty that is less flashy and visible than the CS...
the physical and sensual appeal and total experience of the CS is hard to beat, though... it's a change in my brain, having been a Porsche guy for 20 years, so my eyes opening to CS has as much to do with it as the cars themselves.
obviously i cant really answer your question.
Jun 19, 2004 8:30:10 AM
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watt said:do i make any sense???
Jun 19, 2004 10:54:42 AM
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carlos fromspain said:
but from your description if I didn't know better I would think you were talking about a woman who has got you under her spell!
Well, who knows for sure...