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Mar 23, 2006 10:28:30 AM
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Butzi (Chef_jmr) said:
I feel this is a common misconception that the Four is for snow bound people.
The 4 has a traction advantage in many different circumstance, not limited to wet/snow. Reading about Walter Rohl and the press introduction to the C4 in Monte Carlo (in Excellence Magazine, #141 Oct. '05) opened my eyes to what the 4 can accomplish on dry, curvy roads. Gripping, accelerating, and pulling the car through the turn, gets Walter on the straight path more quickly, and quicker is better, to me.
Mar 23, 2006 3:50:07 PM
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Mar 24, 2006 2:45:19 AM
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Porsche-Jeck said:Quote:
Butzi (Chef_jmr) said:
I feel this is a common misconception that the Four is for snow bound people.
The 4 has a traction advantage in many different circumstance, not limited to wet/snow. Reading about Walter Rohl and the press introduction to the C4 in Monte Carlo (in Excellence Magazine, #141 Oct. '05) opened my eyes to what the 4 can accomplish on dry, curvy roads. Gripping, accelerating, and pulling the car through the turn, gets Walter on the straight path more quickly, and quicker is better, to me.
Well saidCarrera 4wd are not meant to be snowmobiles, though they provide some advantage on slippery tarmac. It's just another drivetrain-concept, providing less "go-kartish" drivefeel (I think that's the main reason why some people prefer the RWD Carrera) but better traction (there is a reason why most rallye cars are 4WD).
Can't believe that most C4 owners just buy it as a prestige statement, because most non P-emthusiasts don't realize the difference at all.
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mish said:
What a stupid statement, to simply paint everyone who lives in a 'non-winter environment' - with the same silly brush.
I purchased a c4s because I prefer the handling a hell of a lot more than a c2s. Why don't you at least take a c4s for a test drive around some bends and twists, compare the traction and then make a sweeping judgement. Crikey.
"I think you are just jealous of us c4s owners because you can't afford one."....How's that for another stupid statement?
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here you go...
great video that makes you say hmmain't so cali
audi, lambo, c4 snow video.
Mar 26, 2006 4:43:50 PM
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Mar 26, 2006 8:43:17 PM
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Silver Bullet said:
There is one fact that seems poorly addressed: if AWD is really "better", then why isn't it available on the Carrera GT, GT2, and GT3?
Mar 26, 2006 9:00:50 PM
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Silver Bullet said:
There is one fact that seems poorly addressed: if AWD is really "better", then why isn't it available on the Carrera GT, GT2, and GT3?
Because these cars feel better on track, AWD feels better on everyday roads.
Mar 26, 2006 9:04:55 PM
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Silver Bullet said:
An average driver will feel that a C4 is more surefooted than a C2 for several reasons: the extra weight up front is a familiar feeling since almost every other car available has more weight up front. The light front end of a 911 is unfamiliar to most, and nobody likes what's unfamiliar. At the same time, that is one of the reasons that 911's have the incredibly accurate steering and steering feel that they are known for. Secondly, and I am theorizing here, b/c I haven't driven a 997 C4 (but I have in the 996 series) - it is hard to understand how understeer coud have significantly been reduced in the 997 C4 given the FAT rear tires that it has. Cars that tend to understeer feel more comfortable to most drivers. The less likely a car is to oversteer, the more people will consider it "sure footed.
I've been following these C2 vs C4 posts for a long time, and there seems to now be pretty good consensus that a C2 has more communicative steering than a C4, and is more "tossable" (ie. easier for you the driver to get it to change directions quickly and play with it's inherent handling characteristics).
There is one fact that seems poorly addressed: if AWD is really "better", then why isn't it available on the Carrera GT, GT2, and GT3? The key is probably that this debate, which I have really enjoyed, is flawed - the question is not of one being better than the other. AWD and RWD will have different driving characteristics, and it is up to the individual to decide which they prefer.
There is a price to be paid for AWD (and in some circumstances, RWD will perform less well than AWD), and most people don't appreciate that. What they do see is (1) more money means it must be better (2) AWD must be better than 2wd (3) C4S = more status (just look and see how many people are disappointed that the C4 isn't as visually distinct from the C2 in the 997 series . . . ). I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone on this thread or in this forum, but only speaking in general about the average Porsche buyer.
Even if I decided that I wanted AWD, I wouldn't get a C4 at this point since it's likely that the new AWD system in the TT will be available in the C4, and it should help to reduce weight, especially up front, while also providing more variability in the torque distribution.