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Jun 11, 2006 4:33:52 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005

Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

I did find my tiptronic s 987s a bit underpowered and had been thinking about trading in my 2-month old car for a 997s. However, I figured that for 1.5 mil HKD (approx 200K USD) and depreciation, I am probably better off keeping my 987s for a while and get the 4-seater 335i twin turbo BMW coupe hardtop. I hope I am making the right decision as I already put in my deposit and delivery 2007 Jan. This I hope is more practical for myself as well. Plus I had been waiting for the PDK to come out and I don't see that coming along any time soon so after 335i and 987s, I don't see myself moving to 997 until I see 998. What do you guys think?

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Jun 11, 2006 5:04:23 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/10753/2007-bmw-335i-coupe-official-photos-and-info.html

Claimed 0-60 acceleration in 5.3 s. Impressive on paper for sure and definitely practical with more than just 2 dog seats.

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Jun 11, 2006 5:25:04 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

With the claimed 5.3 s (or car and driver stretching it to say it's a 5.0s), this car seems to perform on straightline on par with the carrera s tiptronic but this is definitely going to be an experience to feel. I had driven the carrera s in tiptronic and it feels like a rocket even on uphill roads at around 30 degree angles. Anyway, will get a feel for this new car just hope that 335i as my second car would be a better decision than trading in my 987s for the 4-seater 911 as I do like the styling of my current roadster more.

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Jun 11, 2006 12:16:01 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

Get the 997 - you won't regret it. I LOVE the 987 S but it doesn't compare to the 987 or the BMW.

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Jun 12, 2006 7:09:49 AM

charliepug: Co-Pilot; Loc: Australia; Posts: 227, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

ptcja, you'll know you're in for a hit if u trade in your recently acquired 987S. It depends on what you'll need your car or cars for. 997 is not that impractical, and can fit 2 small adults under 5'2" and has reasonable space in the front luggage as you would've seen before. With due respects to BMW, when you're comparing a 911 to a 3 series, it's apples and oranges, or should I say chalk and cheese. Wow, if I had a chance to purchase a 997S I'd go for it!

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Jun 14, 2006 7:11:26 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: charliepug

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

Charliepug agree very much so. I am really only comparing owning my 2 months old 987s for another 4 years or so and use the trade-up money for a 335i in case we need some more spaces or completely trading in my 987s and owning one SINGLE CAR 997s. Yesterday went into the dealership of Porsche and tried out a 997s hardtop but seriously found the 2 back seats extremely cramped. Of course I am 6"2 and there is no way I can fit in but my gf is 5"4 and she had difficulty not only fitting in but also getting in. I don't know but it looks like trading in a 987s only after 2 months means I am taking at least 10-15% depreciation and it is silly. However, I do feel that I need more power as my tip s 987s feels sluggish to me.

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Jun 14, 2006 7:58:27 AM

charliepug: Co-Pilot; Loc: Australia; Posts: 227, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

ptcja, ur right, those back seats are strictly for kids and petite gals only, but handy for shopping bags. But 987S more practical for goods and stuff with handy boot.I get the point about owning 2 cars though, and to me that would be a sensational combination, be interesting to see the performance of the twin turbo beemer.Rumours are the 998 coming out in ~2010 would be 4.0L V8 (i read) and with PDK would be worth waiting for. So there's a good argument to keep 987S, and with the BMW as a 2nd car, keep the boxster at low milage and trade up for 998!

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Jun 15, 2006 4:42:40 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: charliepug

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

Charliepug that's the name of the game... I think getting the 997s now would be a mistake especially given the antiquated tip s gear box. 2010 would be a perfect time to trade my 987s in. At the present moment, as you well know, the carrera generation is almost complete and at the end of the iteration cycle (carrera and s, then 4 and 4s, turbo, GT3, GT3 RS, GT 2...) and when we get past turbos, the designers in a year or so would start doing the 998 I suspect. Hence doing the 987s and the beamer then waiting to trade up for the next 998 (which I hope would introduce more power and a better F1 gearbox) would be great. Where did you read about the rumour on 998? I never found it on Rennteam? I googled a bit but found nothing either on 998.

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Jun 15, 2006 4:51:18 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

Charliepug, it is no doubt to me that Porsche in order to keep up with the competition MUST upgrade its lineup when it comes to Power. The only worry is that they have so much on their plates (Panamera) that they may not have enough time to do it properly. Considering that the next M3 is already V8 and CLS 65 AMG and the whole M lineup, Porsche engineers must work hard to overcome many challenges (including the limitation in having a RR) in order to continue its legacy. Yeah V8 4.0L would be the way to go. The current 997 lineup is still a bit underpowered in this day and age in my opinion.

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Jun 15, 2006 10:47:59 AM

charliepug: Co-Pilot; Loc: Australia; Posts: 227, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

Ptcja, I read about the 4.0L rumours on the new 998 on a local motoring section of our paper which was previewing the new 997GT3. Yes I agree there's been lots of gripes about power level, particularly at the Boxster level (yes, I used to hang around PPPB ie Boxster Board for 5 years), and the latest EVO magazine has the Audi RS4 beating the 997S (barely) to 60mph and 100mph, and the Mitsubishi Evo matching the 911's performnce in a STRAIGHT line.The 997S beats these 2 cars both on top speed test and lap times. BTW, I'll never ever reach those top speed times nor track my car, so these premises/figures are useless to me. Yes the competition if you can call it that is hotting up, with new 400hp+ M3, CLK 63 AMG, M6, new Skyline GTR all devastating in a straight line, and likely to beat a 911 in a traffic light race. Mind you 911's of the past never did have ballsy HP, heck the '99 gen 996's barely made 200kws and even with 4L running on 8 cylinders the 998 will still be underpowered relative to other marques (AMG's, M, S etc) UNLESS you go for the lightweight GT3 or Turbo. So, Porsche has never been sucked in the HP race and will always maintain the heirarchy of models ie. 911, Cayman, Boxster etc meaning if you want HP you gotta PAY FOR IT. Sure it sucks, but that's the way it is.Me I'm in heaven with my 911, and I'm not likely to have to push it to even 60% of it's full potential but I love every bit of it! someone said in another post recently purchasing a Porsche is not a rational decision, it's an emotional one, to me that just about sums it up. Good luck with your choice!

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Jun 15, 2006 2:25:11 PM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: charliepug

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

Charliepug, I couldn't agree with you more after a visit to my dealer today for a test drive. I took an afternoon off to go to the BMW dealer thinking about putting in my deposit for the 335i followed by a visit to Cheung Sha Wan's Porsche Service Centre for a test drive.

After testing out a plain vanilla 330i (claimed to have a similar straight line performance as the boxster s), what I can say is that it is a car. Yes a nice sedan but I would not call it more than a car. Then I went over to Porsche driving my own 987s. I parked and also had a chance to take some pictures on a few carrera GTs left hand drive. My professional was there and he knew I was toying with the idea of trading in my 2.5 month old 987s for a 987 c7 cayman s or the 997 s. He was quite an ethical guy, he had advised against my doing it but said I should give it a shot and see how I felt. I had a chance to test out the 3.4 l Cayman S in silver followed by a 997 C4S cabrio. When I sat in the Cayman and had a goal at it, I absolutely loved the feeling of being in a Cayman. Most important, it surely handles very well and although it was a tiptronic, the power was plentiful. Since I was never a street racer, I felt immediately that the 987s or the Cayman was not a mistake. When I was behind the driver seat, I truly felt that the moment I turned the key, I felt alive. It wasn't just a car. There was passion to it and there was direct communication between the Porsche and myself. Then I knew buying a Porsche was all about emotional and being irrational. Rational guys would probably be better off riding the metro or driving in a camry any way. Hence I agree with you.

I had a chance to try the C4s cabrio. Yes it was more powerful but the truth was that I enjoyed the Cayman's MR setup more. The weight transfer on any curve was different for both cars and they were pretty much apples and oranges. I maybe fooling myself but I truly enjoyed the Cayman more. Anyway, my point was that after some further test drives, I could only say that "A Porsche is a Porsche, there is no substitute." The next M3 maybe V8 400 hp or the M5 maybe 550 hp and they both outrun the 997 s but they are not Porsche. As 5th Gear said, there is nothing like saying you own a Porsche.

Let me ask you this question, if the 997s could be 4.0 L V8 400+ hp, would you want the extra?

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Jun 15, 2006 5:06:22 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8804, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: cookie monster

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Coupe

A Porsche somehow feels special whenever you drive it. A BMW well, just feels like a car. I could no more get excited about the prospect of driving a BMW - any BMW - than I could my Ford Mondeo TDCI daily drive. Competent, well built but that's it. Much like a Miele washing machine.

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Jun 15, 2006 9:20:42 PM

Jeannot: Expert; Loc: Currently in Hong-Kong , Switzerland; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

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dreamcar said:
A Porsche somehow feels special whenever you drive it. A BMW well, just feels like a car. I could no more get excited about the prospect of driving a BMW - any BMW - than I could my Ford Mondeo TDCI daily drive. Competent, well built but that's it. Much like a Miele washing machine.

Have you tried a 330d for instance...sorry, no offence, but a Ford and a BMW are not in the same category...very precise for a sedan plus you get a RWD...just MHO.

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Jun 16, 2006 2:51:27 AM

charliepug: Co-Pilot; Loc: Australia; Posts: 227, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Jeannot

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Co

Ptcja, yes my '01 2.7LTip 986(MR) was a joy to drive and I felt very confident entering corners and finding apex, not so with the rear heavy 911, mind you I've only had it 1 month and done 1,500km so I'm a 911 "virgin", so it'll take lots of experience driving it to get to "feel" the car. As for your question if the 997s had 400+hp, would I want the extra. Probably, the current 997 has plenty for me and the torque is very useable, but if they offered me 400+ for the same price, I'd take it, knowing how much Porsche charge for their hp's!! Let us know when you test drive the 335 Beemer.

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Jun 16, 2006 7:07:37 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8804, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Jeannot

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Have you tried a 330d for instance...sorry, no offence, but a Ford and a BMW are not in the same category...very precise for a sedan plus you get a RWD...just MHO.

I have had several BMW's in my motoring life, most recently the previous generation 330i Touring. I have had an extended test drive in the latest 330d, and yes, it is a very good car, and the diesel engine has to be one of the finest around. Of course it is better than a Mondeo TDCi, even the 320d is better. It is only marginally better built, is a much better drive due to the rear wheel drive and 50/50 weight distribution over the wheels. But it is not an inspiring drive, just a very good car, much like the Mondeo (but at not much less than twice the price of the Mondeo). But it is not as comfortable, not as well equipped as standard, nor as roomy or versatile as a four door, practical car. But a BMW, any BMW, even an M3, are not and never will be be the driving experience that the latest Boxster is. Not even close. It isn't even close as a driver's car to a 986 Boxster.

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Jun 16, 2006 3:44:32 PM

Jeannot: Expert; Loc: Currently in Hong-Kong , Switzerland; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: Instead of trading in my 987s, decided for a BMW 335i Co

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dreamcar said:
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Jeannot said:
Have you tried a 330d for instance...sorry, no offence, but a Ford and a BMW are not in the same category...very precise for a sedan plus you get a RWD...just MHO.

I have had several BMW's in my motoring life, most recently the previous generation 330i Touring. I have had an extended test drive in the latest 330d, and yes, it is a very good car, and the diesel engine has to be one of the finest around. Of course it is better than a Mondeo TDCi, even the 320d is better. It is only marginally better built, is a much better drive due to the rear wheel drive and 50/50 weight distribution over the wheels. But it is not an inspiring drive, just a very good car, much like the Mondeo (but at not much less than twice the price of the Mondeo). But it is not as comfortable, not as well equipped as standard, nor as roomy or versatile as a four door, practical car. But a BMW, any BMW, even an M3, are not and never will be be the driving experience that the latest Boxster is. Not even close. It isn't even close as a driver's car to a 986 Boxster.

I for sure now what you mean. I owned a 330ci, a 330xi and a 986S :-)

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