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Oct 14, 2007 9:09:56 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: Pikey

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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Pikey said:
Hello,

Coming out of a Cayman into a 997 (need the rear seats!) and haven't found what works for me (price & spec against new) in the used arena so are considering placing an order for a new one.

I have been told if we place the order now it will be a Dec build for Jan delivery but I'm hoping to squeeze that to Nov build.

My question is though, would it be worth me holding out until the facelift is available? My dealer has no firm news on when it will be available to order or delivery on that. Would a facelift model right after the current severely devalue the current at resale or will it be about the same?

I'd be intending to keep the car for about 2 - 3 years.

Thanks

Ben

It seems to me that you have to balance what you are getting today by ordering versus what "may" be added or improved on a future version coupled with price increases. Given that you would only be keeping the car 2-3 years, you could get one now and trade it in on a future model that would have major changes.

I personally don't think that a really new version (similar to the change from 996 to the 997) will occur until after the Panamera appears for the 2009 model year. If Porsche waits a full 7 years, then it won't be until 2011 that a truly new "911" will appear. Hopefully they will be able to offer the PDK (Porsche dual clutch) transmission as an option at that time.

Jim

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Oct 14, 2007 9:38:39 PM

porkernut: Junior; Loc: UK; Posts: 85, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: Jim48

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

Great!!!.... the decision is NOW, well that is a vote for the have it now & sod the consequences brigade.

Yes I know the have it now fraternity has nearly brought down the entire world banking network because they must have the house NOW despite the fact they can't afford it & it doesn't make sense but lets not learn by our mistakes!

So I'll pay for a brand new car in the depths of winter take delivery at the end of a year when it will be worth a little more only a few weeks later in 2008 & ignore the fact that a better improved version will be released in just 7 months time...when my paint is barely dry!The value of the pre-facelift car will go down & the facelift will be in high demand, just look at the 996 series facelift!

Buy a used 997 now, fine, buy another model now, fine, buy new at the end of 2007, NO

...... unless (of course) you have a mega deal

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Oct 16, 2007 12:29:46 AM

Le Chef: Veteran; Loc: Chicago , United States; Posts: 1059, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 3, 2003; Reply to: porkernut

My final suggestion

Trade the Cayman against a used 997 Coupe. Use any money left over as a deposit for the 997.5 due in late spring, then trade the old 997 against the new one.

It's not my money, and that clearly is the first rule, but I think you're nuts buying a "57" car a few weeks before you could have an "08", and only a few months before you will have a new model. Each to his own, but you could still change your order...

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Oct 17, 2007 7:45:21 AM

Pikey: Newbie; Loc: London; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 4, 2006; Reply to: mateoche

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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mateoche said:
Pikey-- curious any impressions you can offer of the cayman. i know someone thinking about buying one. did you love love the car? is it only the rear seats taht you are looking for? having you driven the 997s (my car of choice)... thank you and enjoy your new 911!

Absolutely loved the Cayman. Could do with a little more power, but that's not a reason not to get one. Really enjoyed the ownership and I think we used it as it was intended (ie. the majority of the miles was hooing round Europe). The 997 feels a better car, but there again it should be! The Cayman forum on this board is helpful, you could pop over there and get a broader range of opinions.

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Oct 17, 2007 7:46:45 AM

Pikey: Newbie; Loc: London; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 4, 2006; Reply to: The Groom

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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The Groom said:
I'm afraid you were mistaken. The current CXF/XXF option is just red tail light covers. Otherwise, it's the same old tech, and the same shape.

Interesting. The sales book I have says LED, so I'll pay particular attention when the car turns up.

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Oct 17, 2007 8:10:13 AM

Pikey: Newbie; Loc: London; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 4, 2006; Reply to: porkernut

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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porkernut said:
Great!!!.... the decision is NOW, well that is a vote for the have it now & sod the consequences brigade.

Yes I know the have it now fraternity has nearly brought down the entire world banking network because they must have the house NOW despite the fact they can't afford it & it doesn't make sense but lets not learn by our mistakes!

So I'll pay for a brand new car in the depths of winter take delivery at the end of a year when it will be worth a little more only a few weeks later in 2008 & ignore the fact that a better improved version will be released in just 7 months time...when my paint is barely dry!The value of the pre-facelift car will go down & the facelift will be in high demand, just look at the 996 series facelift!

Buy a used 997 now, fine, buy another model now, fine, buy new at the end of 2007, NO ...... unless (of course) you have a mega deal

Interesting view, I'll elaborate further.

We're not going to use the Cayman any more because of the rear seats so acknowledging selling it is the right thing to do, we have choices of new or used (assuming Porsche & 911 only!). The used ones we like are about a year old and are only slightly under the new price. As it's so much money, it makes more sense (to us) to put a little bit more in and have esactly what we want.

Doing more research on this facelift, it's not going to have oodles of "must have" stuff and who knows when it'll actually be available. Dealer's (3) I've spoken to estimate Sept for delivery, but don't actually know.

I have the following choices:
* Nov - for the "now"
* Jan - for the "2008 car"
* March - for the "08 number plate"
* Sept (maybe) - for the facelift

.. and you know that in August we'll be told there is something else round the corner, that the engine in the C2s is having another 30bhp, or an improved cam, or the most amazing upgraded steering system, or a SatNav that's totally different, or...

At which point do you get off and say "I'll have one now"? There will ALWAYS be something round the corner.

As for your second paragraph, you have no knowledge of my financial situation. You don't know if it'll be totally financed with an enormous balloon payment or I'll go in with a bag of cash. What might work for yours could be different to mine.

At the end of the day, noone can really justify buying one of these and trying to control shavings of the whopping depreciation is a bit like putting cheaper petrol in. They're simply expensive boys toys and if you can afford it, then great, but the concept of "now" has a lot of value and shouldn't instantly be dismissed as folly.

Ben

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Oct 17, 2007 8:12:54 AM

Pikey: Newbie; Loc: London; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 4, 2006; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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997GT3RS said:
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Lagerlout said:
Dealer told me today new facelift will have Ipod, Bluetooth, DFI worth about 7-10hp (not 30) and optional DSG - maybe 7 speed.

So the bluetooth will replace the telephone module?

Heard this too. I have purposely not ordered telephone module as this bluetooth thing is likely to be able to be retrofitted.

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Oct 17, 2007 10:48:51 AM

Turbo4ever: Senior; Loc: HK , Hong Kong; Posts: 723, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 13, 2007; Reply to: Pikey

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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Pikey said:
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997GT3RS said:
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Lagerlout said:
Dealer told me today new facelift will have Ipod, Bluetooth, DFI worth about 7-10hp (not 30) and optional DSG - maybe 7 speed.

So the bluetooth will replace the telephone module?

Heard this too. I have purposely not ordered telephone module as this bluetooth thing is likely to be able to be retrofitted.

what are the differences between bluetooth and telephone module?

thanks

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Oct 17, 2007 12:45:49 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: Turbo4ever

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

Good retort Ben - hope you enjoy your car.

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Oct 18, 2007 9:00:25 AM

Pikey: Newbie; Loc: London; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 4, 2006; Reply to: Turbo4ever

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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Turbo4ever said:
what are the differences between bluetooth and telephone module?

thanks

Telephone module requires you to disassemble your phone, remove the SIM card and insert it into a tray.

Bluetooth requires you getting into the car, leaving the phone whereever it is (your pocket, your bag, your coat) and the unit links with it automatically to make & receive calls.

3rd party companies will do such bluetooth units for 100GBP, but not many (myself included) are too happy with some untrained monkey having a tinker with the electrics.

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Oct 18, 2007 11:25:09 AM

Turbo4ever: Senior; Loc: HK , Hong Kong; Posts: 723, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 13, 2007; Reply to: Pikey

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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Pikey said:
Quote:
Turbo4ever said:
what are the differences between bluetooth and telephone module?

thanks

Telephone module requires you to disassemble your phone, remove the SIM card and insert it into a tray.

Bluetooth requires you getting into the car, leaving the phone whereever it is (your pocket, your bag, your coat) and the unit links with it automatically to make & receive calls.

3rd party companies will do such bluetooth units for 100GBP, but not many (myself included) are too happy with some untrained monkey having a tinker with the electrics.

Thanks, agree with that, I only want original stuff from Porsche.

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Oct 18, 2007 2:08:06 PM

mikegee: Newbie; Loc: Mobile, Alabama; Posts: 10, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2007; Reply to: Pikey

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

In response to the telephone module. I had one on my 997 C4s with its own sim card. I have to tell you, blue tooth will be a GREAT improvement IMO. Where I am in the sunny south of the usa, my coverage in the C4 was awful. I ended up cancelling the sim, using my own phone. I have a Feb 08 build for a TT, and the phone module will not be on the order. I am going to use that money towrds the Leather Bucket seat option that will be available in december. As far as waiting, I almost decided to, but I have always saved and spent for what I wanted in cars. If the facelift is great, or a new improved 998 tt comes along in a couple of years, I am sure that if I think it'll be better, I'll buy it. But I want my tt NOW!!
mike

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Oct 18, 2007 5:37:37 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7685, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: Pikey

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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Pikey said:
Quote:
Turbo4ever said:
what are the differences between bluetooth and telephone module?

thanks

Telephone module requires you to disassemble your phone, remove the SIM card and insert it into a tray.

Bluetooth requires you getting into the car, leaving the phone whereever it is (your pocket, your bag, your coat) and the unit links with it automatically to make & receive calls.

3rd party companies will do such bluetooth units for 100GBP, but not many (myself included) are too happy with some untrained monkey having a tinker with the electrics.

No need to switch SIM cards - get a clone for the module and keep one in each.

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Oct 18, 2007 11:03:01 PM

porkernut: Junior; Loc: UK; Posts: 85, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: Pikey

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

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Pikey said:
Interesting view, I'll elaborate further.
We're not going to use the Cayman any more because of the rear seats so acknowledging selling it is the right thing to do, we have choices of new or used (assuming Porsche & 911 only!). The used ones we like are about a year old and are only slightly under the new price. As it's so much money, it makes more sense (to us) to put a little bit more in and have esactly what we want.
Doing more research on this facelift, it's not going to have oodles of "must have" stuff and who knows when it'll actually be available. Dealer's (3) I've spoken to estimate Sept for delivery, but don't actually know.
I have the following choices:
* Nov - for the "now"
* Jan - for the "2008 car"
* March - for the "08 number plate"
* Sept (maybe) - for the facelift
.. and you know that in August we'll be told there is something else round the corner, that the engine in the C2s is having another 30bhp, or an improved cam, or the most amazing upgraded steering system, or a SatNav that's totally different, or...
At which point do you get off and say "I'll have one now"? There will ALWAYS be something round the corner.
As for your second paragraph, you have no knowledge of my financial situation. You don't know if it'll be totally financed with an enormous balloon payment or I'll go in with a bag of cash. What might work for yours could be different to mine.
At the end of the day, none can really justify buying one of these and trying to control shavings of the whopping depreciation is a bit like putting cheaper petrol in. They're simply expensive boys toys and if you can afford it, then great, but the concept of "now" has a lot of value and shouldn't instantly be dismissed as folly.
Ben

Ben nice eloquent response, you could have flamed me I was a little harsh, wasn't directed at you specifically just the must have now culture we live in!

At the end of the day its your money & your call, I'm a long term car nut, but I hate depreciation & the vast sums of money cars loose, as such I like to have my sensible hat on when buying the next beast! It isn't about what I (or you) can afford, its about recognising that whatever we buy (Buggatti Veyron anyone) will eventually feel slow & we will want a change, so hey lets be a little sensible along the way & enjoy fully our current car before we have to rush off to get the next automotive "fix" when we haven't fully savoured what we already have!

Looking at the 996 timeline, the press releases & forums the 08 MY (read Sept 2007 in the UK) will see the facelift launched, as such it isn't really sensible from a residual point of view to get into a new car now just 9 months prior to the launch , when the first years depreciation is usually the largest % chunk without facing the extra loss a facelift introduces!How many pre-facelift cars will be washing around the dealer networks in September ??? The new car may only be "slightly" better, but it will likely still be better, so my point is why not wait a few months be one of the first with the new car, enjoy a better car & better residuals, the time will pass in a blur! Yes cars will always be improved but just look at past Porsche history , there is usually a set timeline, so the 998 isn't likely to appear until 2011!

Of course it is your choice & it is YOUR money after all, the current 997S is also a fabulous car, so do what you gotta do,

just trying to help a fellow car addicts wallet & future peace of mind thats all!!

Best of luck

P.S. waited 11 months for my GT3.. no regrets

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Nov 7, 2007 9:05:04 AM

Pikey: Newbie; Loc: London; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 4, 2006; Reply to: porkernut

Re: Ordering a new 997... now or later?

I know where you're coming from. In my early expensive car buying days I learnt the hard lesson of how "NOW" can be bad. That was a TVR Chimaera on a balloon - great car, but I certainly paid for not having saved earlier and acting on passion!

We're intending to keep this for about 3 - 4 years and our depreciation calculations for that timeframe is significant enough to absorb any variations from 08 / facelift elements.

It'll be an utterly superb car and we're really looking forward to taking delivery.

PS. Talking of which, I must phone for a date!

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