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Mar 5, 2007 7:05:27 PM

Jay: Pilot; Loc: Earth , Eritrea; Posts: 346, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 6, 2002

Poll: Sunroof use & design

I suspect many people only use the sunroof's tilt function (/position) and use it as a vent rather than opening it up.

If that's true, then Porsche (or someone) should make a small 'vent' the performs the same function as 'tilt' and weighs 1/10 of the normal sunroof's weight.

Then we can have our cake & eat it too.

It could be a bad assumption, but let's find out?!

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Mar 5, 2007 7:35:35 PM

The Groom: Expert; Loc: EU; Posts: 1779, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: Jay

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

The only sunroof worth mentioning comes in a bundle with pointy rear windows for a mere $6k.

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Mar 5, 2007 8:00:34 PM

Le Chef: Veteran; Loc: Chicago , United States; Posts: 1059, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 3, 2003; Reply to: The Groom

Never

Prefer a Cab to something half-assed like a sunroof. Never used it once on my previous coupes.

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Mar 5, 2007 9:08:41 PM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: Le Chef

Re: Never

I love a sunroof. I would never drive a cab.

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Mar 5, 2007 9:10:35 PM

Dan L: Expert; Loc: Santa Barbara, CA , United States; Posts: 1957, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2006; Reply to: ADias

Re: Never

I have a cabriolet now,--my first REAL cabriolet. I'm spoiled. But years ago you got better cockpit venting from the rear quarter windows,--since deleted for security and wind noise.

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Mar 5, 2007 9:13:38 PM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: Dan L

Re: Never

I love the sunroof for the atmosphere and openness and not for ventilation.

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Mar 6, 2007 2:51:13 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: Jay

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

In the U.S. we have no choice, you have to take the sunroof if you get the coupe. I had reservations about the sunroof based upon a 944 I rented in February of 1989. It was difficult to get it to close properly.

But the 911's sunroof is well-done. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that folks would spend a load extra for the Targa when they can get almost the same result from the basic sunroof and probably have a car with lower weight (the Targa probably weighs more given the need to strengthen the chassis because of more glass).

Jim

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Mar 6, 2007 3:00:19 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8235, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Jim48

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

I appreciate sunroofs a lot, sure it's not as good as a convertible or the Targa but better than nothing.

What made me wonder was the fact that the sunroof in the 997 causes a lot of wind noise, esp. beyond 200 kph. Do others experience this as well?

Haven't been as distracted by the 996's sunroof - or was I going slower?

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Mar 6, 2007 3:11:11 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

I don't notice much of a difference between the noise resulting from having the sunroof open and having a window open. I wouldn't have the sunroof or a window open if I were going over 80 mph as stray bits of paper and light items might get sucked out.

Jim

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Mar 6, 2007 3:14:45 PM

The Groom: Expert; Loc: EU; Posts: 1779, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: Jim48

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

The Targa truly shines when the sun does not. It's not a matter of getting fresh air into the cabin. It's all about getting light into it.

And there, the coupé's sunroof does not come anywhere close.

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Mar 6, 2007 5:27:18 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: The Groom

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

Totally respect where you're coming from Groom. Some people want that 'open to the sky' feeling with lots of natural light coming in.

I personally love the cosy, dark feeling I get in a coupe. Makes it feel very intimate

Whatever floats your boat I guess

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Mar 6, 2007 6:26:08 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

It's okay on the Carrera. Not great because I've gotten used to quiet ride. Above 40 mph it's very noisy; I always have to close it.

My BMWs seem alot more quiet with sunroof fully open, even at highway speeds.

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Mar 6, 2007 6:52:00 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: The Groom

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

Good point!!

Jim

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Mar 7, 2007 7:49:28 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6924, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: Jim48

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

The real issue is that all these roof start to rattle eventually. This never was a problem with the 'old' style sunroof which only retracted and did not 'tilt'. I had my 996 in several times to have the rattle fixed - once the dealer returned the car with two large dents in the roof (from the inside out) after an attempt to stop the rattle.

I do not use the tilt feature anymore as I now feel (incorrectly, I am certain) that the tilting causes the mechanism to come loose and start to rattle. I am starting to hear a faint rattle in my 997!

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Mar 13, 2007 9:10:15 PM

Dan L: Expert; Loc: Santa Barbara, CA , United States; Posts: 1957, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2006; Reply to: Leawood911

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

Did I mention that I have a sunroof-less top?

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Mar 14, 2007 1:53:01 PM

Scotty A: Senior; Loc: New Jersey; Posts: 606, Gallery; Registered on: May 31, 2006; Reply to: Dan L

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

I open the sunroof fully on my cab whenever the weather is nice. Just tilting it causes severe buffeting and damage to the car above 30mph.

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Mar 14, 2007 3:05:08 PM

MrBonus: Junior; Loc: Delaware; Posts: 97, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 4, 2004; Reply to: Scotty A

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

I use my sunroof regularly. I wouldn't own a car without one.

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Mar 14, 2007 3:26:07 PM

Avoe: Veteran; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 803, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 17, 2002; Reply to: MrBonus

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

I also wouldnt own a car without one.
The only thing I dont understand is, why Porsche dont make sunroofs with glass. First, the sunroof of porsche is outdated. Second, if it is made out of glass, you enjoy even when its closed, since this changes the whole atmosphere.
Anyway, I would never buy a closed Porsche. Cabrio is the way to go.

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Mar 14, 2007 10:43:48 PM

The Groom: Expert; Loc: EU; Posts: 1779, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: Avoe

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

Quote:
Avoe said:
The only thing I dont understand is, why Porsche dont make sunroofs with glass.

They already do. You even get a hatchback for the price of the option.

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Mar 14, 2007 10:51:50 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

Quote:
easy_rider911 said:
Totally respect where you're coming from Groom. Some people want that 'open to the sky' feeling with lots of natural light coming in.

I personally love the cosy, dark feeling I get in a coupe. Makes it feel very intimate

Whatever floats your boat I guess

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Mar 14, 2007 11:25:44 PM

Dan L: Expert; Loc: Santa Barbara, CA , United States; Posts: 1957, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2006; Reply to: Crash

Re: Poll: Sunroof use & design

When I USED to have a sunroof coupe 911 years ago I particularly enjoyed the part where I'm tearing along at some incredible speed, and simultaneously closing the sunroof,--and it literally is sucking the air of the cockpit! It's nearly like going through an explosive decompression at altitude!

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Mar 15, 2007 6:29:53 AM

Hollli82: Junior; Loc: Las Vegas, USA; Posts: 125, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 3, 2005; Reply to: ADias

Re: Never

Quote:
ADias said:
I love a sunroof. I would never drive a cab.

+1

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Mar 18, 2007 10:35:12 PM

Scotty A: Senior; Loc: New Jersey; Posts: 606, Gallery; Registered on: May 31, 2006; Reply to: Hollli82

Re: Never

Actually, I'd like a fixed glass roof in the hard top for the cab. Wouldn't add that much weight, and would really light up the interior throughout the colder weather.

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