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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Makes the Boxster even more attractive... I have high hopes for the upcoming Cayman and its sporty derivatives.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Wow,

    that´s awesome. Can´t wait to read and hear some more opinions.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    EVO's is in :

    http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/286315/porsche_boxster_s_sport_suspension_review.html

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Brilliant move by Porsche! kiss


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Even more brilliant would be, if they (P.) would dare to include the rumoured 360hp-4cyl. turbo to it...let's see what they will present in L.A. with the Cayman...


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Does the new 981 also have a proper dry sump ?


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Gauss:

    Does the new 981 also have a proper dry sump ?

    As of right now, there is not a single Porsche model with one (first time in many decades).  918 will have one...


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    I read the details on the 9A1 direct injection engine and it says that the integrated dry-sump makes the external oil reservoir unnecessary, is simpler in design and provides a consistent supply of oil regardless of gravitational loads.

    Dry-sump versus integrated dry-sump... as touchy as the subject of manual versus PDK or non-adaptive suspension versus PASM free-innocent-smileys-421.gif

    Time will tell if the 991 GT3 and GT3 RS comes with true dry-sump or not. For homologation reasons I would guess at least the RS does.


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    I guess I vote for Dry-sump, Manual and No PASM - best of all worlds.  For me the perfect 911 is a 997.2 GT3 without PASM (after market shocks)


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    Dry sump v. "integrated dry sump" is a meaningless discussion. The bottom line is this: What level of lateral/longitudinal acceleration can be sustained for how long without oil starvation in any bearing surface? Whether the desirable level of performance can be achieved with or without an external oil tank should be immaterial. 

    And "integrated dry sump" is an oxymoron to start with; i.e., Marketing must have come up with the name. If it is integrated, then it is not a dry sump by definition; unless one wants to split hairs and refer to certain areas at the bottom of the motor as the sump, and other areas as oil reservoirs. Silly.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Leawood911:

    I guess I vote for Dry-sump, Manual and No PASM - best of all worlds.  For me the perfect 911 is a 997.2 GT3 without PASM (after market shocks)

    For me a 993 RS ClubSport with Öhlins suspension and straight pipes Smiley


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    Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    bluelines:
    Leawood911:

    I guess I vote for Dry-sump, Manual and No PASM - best of all worlds.  For me the perfect 911 is a 997.2 GT3 without PASM (after market shocks)

    For me a 993 RS ClubSport with Öhlins suspension and straight pipes Smiley

    996 GT3 RS with exactly that spec and Manthey K400.

    Sooner rather than later please! Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    What a beauty!! Love this pic Rims taken from Boxster S, that's why there is a red calipers smiley

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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Had an extended drive in a Boxster S today, courtesy of Porsche Centre Swindon whilst our car was having its annual MoT safety check, this demonstrator had PDK, 20"wheels and no PASM, no sport chrono, standard seats, and confirmed to me just what an incredible car this is. Even without sport plus the transmission shifts were lightening fast, ride over quite badly surfaced roads was brilliant, much more compliant than our 997S making it wonderfully comfortable, performance was plenty fast enough, didn't notice the electric steering was any less sharp than the 997. Also very quiet with the roof up, much less road noise than our car. Absolutely and completely brilliant - it was all I could do to tear myself away without signing on the dotted line...... But I still love our 997, thankfully and reluctantly decided by the time I had driven the 70 miles home that I couldn't justify the cost to change yet again!!!


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Wow, the one I drove was an absolute dog - really terrible.  Perhaps it was a one off, I'm going to have to try again


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    GR:

    Wow, the one I drove was an absolute dog - really terrible.  Perhaps it was a one off, I'm going to have to try again

    Sounds like either the car (or you Smiley) had a bad day. There are some days, believe it or not, usually when I'm dog tired, that I get into our 997 and wonder why on earth I bother. Then the next day the sun is shining, we go for a great drive and I wouldn't swap it for anything.

    What struck me with yesterday's drive was that car was pretty basic and the hardest ride possible in a 981S, with 20" wheels and no PASM. And yet the absorption of bumps and pot holes was simply amazing, and the sharp kart like handling that only a properly sorted mid engined car has. Had the sun been shining, the roof down and a sports exhaust been fitted I would have been in paradise.

    SWMBO has made me write 1,000 times after my return yesterday "I must not buy yet another Porsche"..... Smiley  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    A lot of the 987/997 fans dont want to hear and believe, but the new 991/981 series from Porsche is a huge improvement in almost every part of the car.

    I sold my 997 after 2 month of owership and ordered a 981.

    I was not satiesfied with the ride and the cabin noise of the 997. It had PASM but the 981 Boxster is quieter and more comportable that the 997 coupe. Another thing is the interior. I like the new design much more and the quality is much better.

    Some people don't like them because they are too good and they think they loose the Porsche feeling. Maybe that is true for people who are driving Porsche cars for 30 years.

    For people who like modern cars the 991/981 series are a must upgrade from the 997/987 line.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    acky:

    A lot of the 987/997 fans dont want to hear and believe, but the new 991/981 series from Porsche is a huge improvement in almost every part of the car.

    I sold my 997 after 2 month of owership and ordered a 981.

    I was not satiesfied with the ride and the cabin noise of the 997. It had PASM but the 981 Boxster is quieter and more comportable that the 997 coupe. Another thing is the interior. I like the new design much more and the quality is much better.

    Some people don't like them because they are too good and they think they loose the Porsche feeling. Maybe that is true for people who are driving Porsche cars for 30 years.

    For people who like modern cars the 991/981 series are a must upgrade from the 997/987 line.

    I can quite understand why you sold your 997 and migrated to a 981, the comfort and interior quality is in a totally different league. Haven't driven the 991 as much as a 981, I must admit I didn't warm to it instantly like I did the 981. Money no object I'd change today but.......


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Funnily enough, I found the 991 a big step forward in terms of ride and handling, whereas the 981 actually felt like a retrograde step.  The 991 was -20mm SPASM with sport chrono and I was also massively impressed with the siffer engine mounts in sport mode.  However, it still felt too remote and too big.

    Back to the 981 and as I said before, I suspect the wheels, tyres and weather didn't help its cause.  But on the day, my 987 flowed down the same roads, providing the agility and feedback I needed to be fast and smooth.  The 981 felt remote, unsettled and cumbersome in comparison.  Exactly the qualities I don't want in a sports car and completely against the grain of every review so faryes.  Very odd and I concede it could have been me but I traced the exact same route in my 987 afterwards to make the comparison. 

    When I've tried the 981 Cayman, I might have a better picture... 

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    GR:

    When I've tried the 981 Cayman, I might have a better picture... 

     

    Saw the new Cayman at Swindon yesterday to my eyes a much better looking car than the last one. But more hard core than the Boxster and more expensive for a car that is cheaper to build. there's Porsche marketing expertise for you!!

    For both SWMBO and myself if we were to go 981 it would be Boxster every time. The new Boxster is actually much stiffer than even the previous Cayman in terms of body rigidity and I'm sure the 981 Cayman will be better again.


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    2013 Porsche Boxster S and 2012 Porsche 991 Carrera video...

    2013 Porsche Boxster S and 2012 Porsche 991 Carrera -- Video Link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    The comparison of the Boxster against the Carrera seems a little unusual to me.  I don't mean to make more of it than just to say that it caught my eye in that video.  It really highlighted (to me) the different design cues in the two cars, most notably the (essentially) round headlights of the 991 against the irregular shaped lights in the 981.

    I don't want to come off as bashing the Boxster (I really like the car) but often times I see either a newer Boxster or later model Toyota MR2 from a distance, and have to look close to see which it is.  And the current headlights don't help.  Am I alone here?  Sorry to be negative (not really meant to be, but there it is) toward a fantastic car like the 981.  Thankfully Toyota stopped making the MR2, I think, so this problem (which may only exist in my head) probably goes away eventually.

    I guess what I am fishing to say is that I wish the Boxter look a little more akin to the Carrera.  But I know that subject itself has been a bit of a problem for 911 owners in the past...

    Maybe I just need to buy one and look at it from the other side of the windshield...!


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    I do hear many opinions that the Boxster looks like an MR2, but I have a different view on this.  To me, it has always looked more like a mini Carrera GT.  I believe that's the connection Porsche was trying to make here.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Good point.  I do see that resemblance too.

    Maybe it says something about me, and my neighborhood, that I don't have to look closely to see if it is a CGT...


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    981 Boxter is a massive improvement in every way over 987 - especially the styling although I remain to be entirely convinced by the rear end and the spoiler intergrated into the rear lights. But good that there are much clearer styling differences now between it and 991, with items such as bespoke doors. I even prefer the interior to the 991, the dash vents to me are much more modern and stylish than the rectangular ones in 991. The sport chrono is also much better integrated.


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Massive improvement in every way except for the stupid brake!

    I was unsure about the rear end on the 981 when I saw the first spy shots but it grew on me and 11 months on i'm still thoroughly enjoying the car.

    The ability to colour code the central console in the 987 / 997 is also something that I miss, I know you can now paint some bits but it just doesn't seem the same to my eyes.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Jonathanbr:

    The ability to colour code the central console in the 987 / 997 is also something that I miss, I know you can now paint some bits but it just doesn't seem the same to my eyes.

    That cheap and nasty piece of black plastic that is the "rear section of the centre console" in 987 / 997 is a huge let down and lowers the ambience enormously in the cabin IMO. The Panamera style console in 981 / 991 is a huge improvement - at least that doesn't need colour coding to make it look acceptable!

    I had it colour coded in both Boxster S and Cayman S that we had, haven't got round to doing the same in our 997. Should do really I was quoted £200 + VAT by our local Porsche approved bodyshop. 

    I don't like the  new fangled electric handbrake either, but at least with PDK you don't need to use it that much. Small price to pay for the elegant and upmarket looking new console IMO.


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    As unpainted black plastic it was disappointing but I always felt the colour coded console added a something and brought colour into the interior. Somehow brought the interior and exterior together more.

    The new cars are much more grown up and the quality has improved hugely, especially inside but it seems more difficult to personalize the car. At the time of my order - 14 months ago I could only change the seat belts to grey and add a grey leather contrast trim to the carpet mats. (I have yachting blue full leather interior)


     
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