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    Jan 11, 2007 4:26:26 PM

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    997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    I don't know if somebody already reported this but apparently Sport Auto testdrove the 997 Turbo in Hockenheim with semi-slicks and the time was 1 min. 11,9 seconds or so.
    As a reminder, the 997 GT3 was only 0.3 seconds faster (semi-slicks too). Impressive.

    Jan 11, 2007 7:18:50 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    Very impressive times close to Gallardo
    1.11.8 500hp
    1.11.6 520hp

    BTW What is Z06 time at H'ring

    Where can i find updated sport auto track times

    Jan 11, 2007 10:12:55 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    I don't know if somebody already reported this but apparently Sport Auto testdrove the 997 Turbo in Hockenheim with semi-slicks and the time was 1 min. 11,9 seconds or so.
    As a reminder, the 997 GT3 was only 0.3 seconds faster (semi-slicks too). Impressive.



    But really, shouldn't the Turbo be faster than the GT3?

    Jan 11, 2007 11:03:00 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    Quote:
    RC said:
    I don't know if somebody already reported this but apparently Sport Auto testdrove the 997 Turbo in Hockenheim with semi-slicks and the time was 1 min. 11,9 seconds or so.
    As a reminder, the 997 GT3 was only 0.3 seconds faster (semi-slicks too). Impressive.



    But really, shouldn't the Turbo be faster than the GT3?



    The Turbo is a road car. The GT3 is a track car, much better suited to the flat surface.

    Jan 11, 2007 11:16:33 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    I don't know if somebody already reported this but apparently Sport Auto testdrove the 997 Turbo in Hockenheim with semi-slicks and the time was 1 min. 11,9 seconds or so.
    As a reminder, the 997 GT3 was only 0.3 seconds faster (semi-slicks too). Impressive.



    But really, shouldn't the Turbo be faster than the GT3?



    The Turbo is a road car. The GT3 is a track car, much better suited to the flat surface.



    True. But with semislicks the plus of 65 horses and that massive torque should have some positive consequences...

    Jan 11, 2007 11:25:36 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    Center of gravity is lower on GT3.

    Jan 11, 2007 11:50:24 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    Well, this really shows what a damn good car the GT3 is... and what an excellent job Porsche has done with the chassis. Short of 65hp to a 997 Turbo and 105hp to a Gallardo, the GT3 still performs equal on track. I actually expected a Turbo with semi-licks to be quicker than a GT3.

    Considering the price difference and "fun-factor" the GT3 more and more feels like a bargain. Definitely my next car...

    Jan 11, 2007 11:58:55 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    BTW What is Z06 time at H'ring




    1:11.5 Corvette Z06, 512 PS/1442 kg (Sport Auto 04/06)

    Jan 12, 2007 12:08:17 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    ...and in a different league

    1:08.6 Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg (Sport Auto 05/05)

    Jan 12, 2007 1:25:54 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    GT3 is lighter as well.

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    Jan 12, 2007 7:40:50 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    BTW What is Z06 time at H'ring




    1:11.5 Corvette Z06, 512 PS/1442 kg (Sport Auto 04/06)



    with run-flat-tires.

    AM

    Jan 12, 2007 9:18:17 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    BTW What is Z06 time at H'ring




    1:11.5 Corvette Z06, 512 PS/1442 kg (Sport Auto 04/06)



    with run-flat-tires.

    AM



    Yes, the Z06 time is impressive but I don't understand those comments about run-flat tires. They do pretty well in the dry, only when it comes to wet pavement or temperature changes, they may not be that good. Also the run-flats on the Z06 aren't just "ordinary" run-flats but have been developed for the Z06, incl. the rubber mixture.

    Regarding the 997 GT3: the time I posted was in HOCKENHEIM, Kleiner Kurs. This is a track which favors mostly light cars with a good chassis setup since it is NOT a high speed track. The 997 Turbo time is impressive, not THAT impressive but still very very good.

    Which brings me to my guess about the Nordschleife time: definetely better than the 997 GT3.
    Still: the 997 Turbo is heavier and more expensive to repair, it is NOT such a good track car like the GT3 is.
    Unless one doesn't care about tire usage, brake usage, different chassis setups, etc.

    Jan 12, 2007 10:03:19 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    Which brings me to my guess about the Nordschleife time: definetely better than the 997 GT3.



    Is there no time from Sport Auto for the Turbo yet? I found these online:

    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)
    7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/1595 kg with Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)

    Jan 12, 2007 10:41:56 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    BTW What is Z06 time at H'ring




    1:11.5 Corvette Z06, 512 PS/1442 kg (Sport Auto 04/06)



    with run-flat-tires.

    AM



    Yes, the Z06 time is impressive but I don't understand those comments about run-flat tires. They do pretty well in the dry, only when it comes to wet pavement or temperature changes, they may not be that good. Also the run-flats on the Z06 aren't just "ordinary" run-flats but have been developed for the Z06, incl. the rubber mixture.

    Regarding the 997 GT3: the time I posted was in HOCKENHEIM, Kleiner Kurs. This is a track which favors mostly light cars with a good chassis setup since it is NOT a high speed track. The 997 Turbo time is impressive, not THAT impressive but still very very good.

    Which brings me to my guess about the Nordschleife time: definetely better than the 997 GT3.
    Still: the 997 Turbo is heavier and more expensive to repair, it is NOT such a good track car like the GT3 is.
    Unless one doesn't care about tire usage, brake usage, different chassis setups, etc.



    Run-flat-tires tend to understeer due to the stronger carcass. In this case the tire temperature will rise which will slower the maximum possible apex speed (we are talking about street-tires and not racing tires). That's why it is impressive what the Z06 can do. With the same tires like the Gt3 RS and the needed setup change, it seems that the Z06 would be faster then GT3 RS.

    AM

    PS. RC, don't get me wrong, even if the Z06 is faster then CGT I wouldn't buy one

    Jan 12, 2007 1:21:31 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    Wendland 997 Turbo with 530 hp masters the Hockenheimring in only 1.11,0 min. That is impressive.

    Jan 12, 2007 1:24:38 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)




    Where did you find this time. The official SportAuto Supertest time is only 7.48,0 min for the ring.

    Jan 12, 2007 1:26:56 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    I don't know if somebody already reported this but apparently Sport Auto testdrove the 997 Turbo in Hockenheim with semi-slicks and the time was 1 min. 11,9 seconds or so.
    As a reminder, the 997 GT3 was only 0.3 seconds faster (semi-slicks too). Impressive.



    The GT3 tracktime is 1.11,7 min. (SportAuto)

    Jan 12, 2007 1:30:06 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    Wendland 997 Turbo with 530 hp masters the Hockenheimring in only 1.11,0 min. That is impressive.



    KF,

    Do you know of any links to lists for tuner 996/997Turbos for HH/KK and the N-Ring?

    Jan 12, 2007 1:54:41 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)




    Where did you find this time. The official SportAuto Supertest time is only 7.48,0 min for the ring.



    I found 3 lap times for the GT3 when I searched the net:

    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)
    7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
    7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (Sport Auto 07/06)

    Don't know why the weight is different for the first entry.

    Jan 12, 2007 2:00:24 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)




    Where did you find this time. The official SportAuto Supertest time is only 7.48,0 min for the ring.



    I found 3 lap times for the GT3 when I searched the net:

    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)
    7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
    7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (Sport Auto 07/06)

    Don't know why the weight is different for the first entry.



    cgt seats?

    Jan 12, 2007 2:39:39 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    7:39 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, (Sport Auto 05/06)
    7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
    7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (Sport Auto 07/06)

    Don't know why the weight is different for the first entry.



    The 7:39 is DEFINETELY wrong, don't know where this comes from.

    Jan 12, 2007 2:59:15 PM

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    Ok, lets say it is wrong then. But good old Walter is not wrong with 7:42. This still leaves the Turbo (with Michelin Cup) and the GT3 within 2 seconds from eachother round the Ring.

    Jan 12, 2007 3:39:43 PM

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    1395kg is the GT3RS maybe?, could explain the time diff

    Jan 12, 2007 4:20:51 PM

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    Turbo times don't impress me that much, Gallardo is slower off the line than Turbo, at least untill 220Kph and can do better on circuit only proves that Lambo has a better chassi and more balanced handling. Unbeliveble times for the Z06

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    Ok, lets say it is wrong then. But good old Walter is not wrong with 7:42. This still leaves the Turbo (with Michelin Cup) and the GT3 within 2 seconds from eachother round the Ring.


    This time from Walter is on a public track day and he had to overtake 5 cars. Which make some difference

    Jan 12, 2007 4:29:20 PM

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    Ok, lets say it is wrong then. But good old Walter is not wrong with 7:42. This still leaves the Turbo (with Michelin Cup) and the GT3 within 2 seconds from eachother round the Ring.


    This time from Walter is on a public track day and he had to overtake 5 cars. Which make some difference



    And he made a short stop to drink his coffee

    Jan 12, 2007 4:33:31 PM

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    Wendland 997 Turbo with 530 hp masters the Hockenheimring in only 1.11,0 min. That is impressive.



    KF,

    Do you know of any links to lists for tuner 996/997Turbos for HH/KK and the N-Ring?



    Lotec 996-Turbo: HR: 1.12,3 and 7.57,0 at the ring
    Tech-Art GT street: HR: 1.12,3 and 7.43,0 at the ring.
    Gemballa 997 Turbo: HR 1.11,6
    Wendland 997 Turbo: HR 1.11,0
    997 Turbo series: HR 1.11,9

    Sorry, i does not have more tracktimes.

    Jan 12, 2007 10:54:25 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

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    Quote:
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    I don't know if somebody already reported this but apparently Sport Auto testdrove the 997 Turbo in Hockenheim with semi-slicks and the time was 1 min. 11,9 seconds or so.
    As a reminder, the 997 GT3 was only 0.3 seconds faster (semi-slicks too). Impressive.



    But really, shouldn't the Turbo be faster than the GT3?



    Given the GT3 is basically a track vehicle while the Turbo is a GT vehicle, I would agree with RC -- quite impressive. Yes, the Turbo has more power, but it also has softer suspension, a higher center of gravity and weighs considerably more, making it less dynamic and less suited to a slower and more technical track.

    Now, let's not forget, times will vary according to track temperatures, tire pressures, fuel used in each car (the Turbo is very sensitive to even the slightest difference in octane level) etc. The point can be made that each vehicle will post slightly different times on any given day.

    Both the GT3 and Turbo are impressive cars, designed for different purposes - depending on ones needs and preferences.

    Finally, IMO I would guess that most (non professional) drivers would lap quicker in the Turbo than just about any other car made, making many of these professionally driven times trivial.

    Jan 13, 2007 5:40:49 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - Hockenheim Track Time impressive

    This fellow drives a good line and fast time for a street legal porsce turbo (7:15 at Nordschleife) 996 GT2 (EDO):
    http://videos.streetfire.net/video/wm/1270abfc-413b-48ed-8aed-982a002044eb.htm

    Jan 13, 2007 8:40:37 PM

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    KF,

    Do you know of any links to lists for tuner 996/997Turbos for HH/KK and the N-Ring?



    Although I am someone else, may I answer your question?

    www.einszweidrei.de
    www.track-challenge.com

    Both provide performance numbers for various cars, amongst those are plenty of modified ones. The later in fact provides the data of past SportAuto supertests.

    I am actually surprised that nobody discussed the Wendland's impressive performance yet. Not only the laptime but the improved character of the engine at low and mid RPM numbers was highly praised by SportAuto's journalists.
    What appears remarkable is their statement that they don't offer any more powerful modifications for the 997 turbo so far, since so far the risk of damaging the engine is present still some understanding of the new internals necessary.
     
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