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    New rumor just in - Porsche plans a...

    ...5th seat for the Panamera. Meaning: there might be a rear bench with three seats available in the near future. Just a rumor...take it with a grain of salt.

    It also isn't known if this 5th seat will be optional or standard.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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     Christian did you ever sit in a 5-seater on the back seats with two adults? 

    I had the chance two weeks ago - BMW 5-touring 5 minutes - three adults from our customer to the train station - it was horror.


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     Yes; horror but still possible...


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    Mikla:

     Yes; horror but still possible...


    That's the point! Smiley


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      With that central tunnel  and available space between 2 existing seats  .... Smiley 

    038_panameratech.jpg

     


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    This is why it isn't just a "change the rear bench" job but a serious modification which needs time.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    ALDO:

     Christian did you ever sit in a 5-seater on the back seats with two adults? 

    I had the chance two weeks ago - BMW 5-touring 5 minutes - three adults from our customer to the train station - it was horror.

     

    Three adults in the rear ? Yes, horror. Three kids in the rear ? Absolutely OK. Two kids and an adult in the rear ? Absolutely OK. Two adults and a kid in the middle ? Absolutely OK. Trust me, I tried with many cars, it works. Kids need to be below 14 or so.

    A neighbor was very interested in the Panamera but passed on it because he has three kids. They own a VW Transporter as a family car but he wanted something classier for moving the family from time to time (his 996 doesn't really do the job).

    He isn't the only one: one of the reasons I passed on the Panamera was the 4 seats. The same reason I didn't get th X6 M but the X5 M (besides of course other points).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    RC:
    ALDO:

     Christian did you ever sit in a 5-seater on the back seats with two adults? 

    I had the chance two weeks ago - BMW 5-touring 5 minutes - three adults from our customer to the train station - it was horror.

     

    Three adults in the rear ? Yes, horror. Three kids in the rear ? Absolutely OK. Two kids and an adult in the rear ? Absolutely OK. Two adults and a kid in the middle ? Absolutely OK. Trust me, I tried with many cars, it works. Kids need to be below 14 or so.

    A neighbor was very interested in the Panamera but passed on it because he has three kids. They own a VW Transporter as a family car but he wanted something classier for moving the family from time to time (his 996 doesn't really do the job).

    He isn't the only one: one of the reasons I passed on the Panamera was the 4 seats. The same reason I didn't get th X6 M but the X5 M (besides of course other points).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

     Even three kids wouldn´t fit in a Panamera 5-seater. The Panamera isn´t wide enough and please tell me which car can accomodate three kid chairs in one rear row without any serious problems? 

    Three kids - VW Bus, Sharan or any other van but not a fine limousine.


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    Who dares to have 3 kids these days


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    reginos:

    Who dares to have 3 kids these days

     

    Are you kidding ? Most of our friends and neighbors have three kids and even more. 

    Having two kids is nothing special where I live, having one kid is almost egoistic. Smiley

    "These days" ? Not sure what you mean ?

    @ALDO: a family friend has a BMW 5 series and three big kids (10-12-17) who ride in the rear all the time. No problems at all as far as I know. Same with another family friend who drives a Mercedes E-class and also has three kids (4-8-11 as far as I remember).

    I don't like limousines too much, my E 55 AMG was my first and last limousine but it had a lot of space in the rear, even for three people.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    RC:
    reginos:

    Who dares to have 3 kids these days

     

    Are you kidding ? Most of our friends and neighbors have three kids and even more. 

    Having two kids is nothing special where I live, having one kid is almost egoistic. Smiley

    "These days" ? Not sure what you mean ?


    In many places people have 1 or 2 children maximum, mainly for financial and career reasons. That's what I meant .

    On the basis of this observation a 4 seat limousine is OK for many families,although having a bench would have been more practical. We, for example, have a Mercedes ML and I don't remember the last time I had more than 3 passengers!


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    Now I understand. 

    Well, apparently Porsche forgot about two things (like you did too): nanny and grandparents. I wonder if Panamera development engineers and marketing experts have kids. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    reginos:

    Who dares to have 3 kids these days


    I do.....Smiley   3 boys aged 3 1/2 , 5 1/5 and 7 Smiley

    And I do have big problems to find a practical and decent family car Smiley


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    RC:

    Now I understand. 

    Well, apparently Porsche forgot about two things (like you did too): nanny and grandparents. I wonder if Panamera development engineers and marketing experts have kids. 

    Perhaps there will be a Panamera Station Wagon/Estate with a third row of seats in the future. Don't dismiss this idea!


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    reginos:
    RC:

    Now I understand. 

    Well, apparently Porsche forgot about two things (like you did too): nanny and grandparents. I wonder if Panamera development engineers and marketing experts have kids. 

    Perhaps there will be a Panamera Station Wagon/Estate with a third row of seats in the future. Don't dismiss this idea!

     Or a panamera SUV


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    reginos:

    Who dares to have 3 kids these days


    Even if you have one kid, you will be pressed into the local " kid taxi " service sooner than you think, and any four seater  is a none- starter for most families .


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    palenimbus:

     Or a panamera SUV

     

    Wouldn't that one be called CayenneSmiley Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    reginos:

    Who dares to have 3 kids these days

    I have 3 boys and it for sure limits your car selections Smiley.


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    palenimbus:

     Or a panamera SUV


    Perhaps Panamera MPV/Minivan suitable for big families, why not?


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    reginos:
    palenimbus:

     Or a panamera SUV


    Perhaps Panamera MPV/Minivan suitable for big families, why not?

     

     

    Hello again...Cayenne Smiley Smiley

     


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    038_panameratech.jpg

     

    This picture shows why it will be difficult to retain the Panamera's driving dynamics if it were to get a flat rear floor.

    I'm guessing that it will be quite a chore to retain the torsional rigidity of the chassis required to maintain the high marks in handling simultaneously with an acceptable ride if the deep channel down the center of the car is modified very much.


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    Mike

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    Does Mercedes CLS has an option for a 3rd seat  ...  or AM  Rapide  ?   Due to the low roof  of Panamera , one would have to crawl over the rear seats to get in the middle and then will have a big tunnel between the legs   Smiley


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    .......put in a a side facing seat a la limos, block off one side of the door while switching to s sliding door on the other side......3 seater in the back seat while retaining the central tunnel..........


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    Guys...still a rumor. We should just wait and see what happens.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    Misha011:

    Does Mercedes CLS has an option for a 3rd seat  ...  or AM  Rapide  ?   Due to the low roof  of Panamera , one would have to crawl over the rear seats to get in the middle and then will have a big tunnel between the legs   Smiley

    The rear bench would be a psychological plus for potential buyers in the showroom. "it's a 5 seater not a 4 seater".

    The only practical use would be for accommodating children up to 10-11 years. If the Porsche product planners think it's an advantage why not to do it.


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    reginos:
    Misha011:

    Does Mercedes CLS has an option for a 3rd seat  ...  or AM  Rapide  ?   Due to the low roof  of Panamera , one would have to crawl over the rear seats to get in the middle and then will have a big tunnel between the legs   Smiley

    The rear bench would be a psychological plus for potential buyers in the showroom. "it's a 5 seater not a 4 seater".

    The only practical use would be for accommodating children up to 10-11 years. If the Porsche product planners think it's an advantage why not to do it.

     

    Huge advantage. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    agree with a bench option, it is up to the owner whether to seat 4 or 5, having an option is good.

    most 911 owners don't use the rear seats, but it is a good option to have.


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    2010 997.2 GT3RS, January build;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2006 BMW 530xi


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    Maybe  a new front bumper with wider side grills  ...    Smiley    this could visually change what many complains as a 'huge / wide looks'Pana misha bumper.JPG

    Pana original.JPG

     


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    I may be in the minority, but I know I’m not alone (from people I’ve talked to) when I say that the fact that the Panamera  ONLY being a 4 seater is a POSITIVE SELLING FEATURE.

    I HATE having more than 4 people in a car. The fact that you can only fit 4 people is incredibly liberating. No more awkward moments when you don’t want to jam people in the car. It’s much more civilized! Plus if you need 5 seats on a regular basis having 4.5 seats IMHO isn’t an adequate solution. If I had 3 kids (or the need to fit 5 people in any car on an even semi-regular basis) I would not buy a 5 seat car. It’s cramped and uncomfortable for everyone but the driver. Get a Q7 or some other 7 seater and have a bit of shoulder, knee and foot room!
     
    I would contend that anyone unhappy with the backseat of a Panamera would also be uncomfortable with the backseat of a Quattroporte or CLS (Really, would anyone buy one of these to use with 5 people all the time???).

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    I actually never take other people with me, everybody here in Germany has a car.

    Just kidding but seriously: people usually drive in their own cars. The only people I have in my car are my kids, my wife, my parents and from time to time the in-laws. Thats it.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


     
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