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    Loaded GT3 or GT3 RS (Orange)

    I will not be taking the car on a track, because there isn't one around where I live... But the city roads can be my track, at certain hours

    Would you order a fully loaded GT3 (PCCB, Full Leather, PCM, etc.) or an RS with just the Orange special color? knowing both would be the same budget! each time I decide on the fully loaded Carrera White GT3, I see the Orange RS and I am back to square one it is just a dream to have... HELP! (by the way, I currently own a 997 C2S Cab., but Tiptronic, and I miss the manual gearbox SO MUCH!)

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    tough call...i voted rs , because i cant get this orange theme out of my head. and i know the whole rs thing is a ripoff and the standard gt3 is a smarter buy..
    maybe you have to decide if you want to buy with your head or your heart..your call ,marakji..

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    RS all the way

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    Considering your location, I think maybe I would be purchasing a heavily armoured Hummer or similar...

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    RS...think about the resale...

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    Wow you can't go wrong either way. The loaded GT3 gets my vote.

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    Loaded GT3.
    Rs is very track orientated so I really dont see the advantage of that car for the street. A 'normal' GT3 may even be slightly faster on streets, not to mention easier (thus maybe safer) to drive fast

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    GT3.
    I would be so frustrated to own an RS and not be able to go on the track.. no point to drive an RS ONLY on open roads..
    Looks arn't everything!

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    Really doesn't seem to be that much between these cars...

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    GT3...

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    In which case I would go for a fully spec'ed GT3

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    I faced this exact problem.I decided that the RS was too restrictive and didnt offer enough for the premium.It would have been different if it had been a true limited edition model.I have gone for GT3 plus extras.Shane

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    stubenhocker said:
    Considering your location, I think maybe I would be purchasing a heavily armoured Hummer or similar...


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    don't feel so sad Georges

    we both know the advantages of living in a quasi-lawless land... track-day EVERY day, track-day EVERY where

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    very correct way of looking at things... but damn that Orange color scheme and those Black wheels with the orange RS logo on them... damn! damn! damn!

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    why do you think re-sale on the RS would be better? it is not a limited production car! surely it would be as common as the Carrera, and won't be produced in as many numbers as the GT3, but it ain't a numbered production car...

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    Marwan, I would go for the White GT3. The only thing that I like on the GT3 RS is the wider body, otherwise that RS wing, not much my type....

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    wide body, orange color, nice graphics, black wheels (with orange RS logo), etc., etc., etc....

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    That is why I am hoping to get mine in Riviera Blue.
    Shane

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    Get a white GT3 without options like leather, PCCB and PCM. It's a GT3 for god sake. Leather is adding weight and that's against of the purpose of such a car and if you don't track the car you don't need PCCB for normal road use.
    And the PCM? In a GT3? Why? Don't add weight to a GT3 man!

    And if you want the orange so much, pick the "custom paint" option and here you go ...

    One more comment: picking the sport chrono option is a must because is changing the way the car reacts (PASM and TC intervention and engine mapping being the top three that I would mention).

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    both the GT3 and the RS are limited production, with teh RS being VERY limited. have you heard otherwise?

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    true, they are more exclusive than the Carrera, but Porsche will build as much there is demand... there is no pre-set production number...

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    that's the most "sensible" feedback... thanks... but DAMN that Orange machine!!!!!!!!!!!

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    yeah, the orange car is way hot. the black with orange is even hotter, imo, but i hate trying to keep black cars clean. way too much work.

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    Pentium said:
    One more comment: picking the sport chrono option is a must because is changing the way the car reacts (PASM and TC intervention and engine mapping being the top three that I would mention).



    I thought that wasn't the case with the GT3 and RS. My understanding is that it's pretty much just an ugly stopwatch. Those other functions are true for the Carreras.

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    I wish somebody would clear out the Chrono Package issue on the GT3 and the RS... is it of any added value vis-a-vis performance, or is it just a stop watch?

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    Quotes from Porsche tech manual (available to dealers only):

    90 Sport Chrono Plus package with performance display, individual
    memory and stopwatch (option)
    The engine, transmission and chassis functions of the Sport Chrono package
    are intended to enable faster lap times (e.g. on the Northern Loop of the
    Nürburgring) and to provide the driver with an even sportier feel behind the
    wheel.
    The Sport Chrono Plus package incorporates the following functions:
    1. Stopwatch
    2. Sport button/Sport mode
    For intervention in functions of Motronic, transmission control system,
    PSM, PASM*
    * Porsche Advanced Suspension Management
    3. PCM performance display (only with Sport Chrono Plus package in
    conjunction with PCM from MY 05).
    4. PCM performance display (only with Sport Chrono Plus package in
    conjunction with PCM from MY 05).

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    And this is what we are interested in:

    Individual functions of the Sport Chrono
    Plus package in the areas of Motronic,
    transmission control, PSM and PASM
    are described in detail in the respective
    modules.

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    And now the cool parts, first the Motronic:

    Effects of the Sport Chrono function on the Motronic
    The optionally available Sport Chrono Package notably increases driving pleasure
    and the vehicle's performance. The engine is also affected when the Sport Chrono
    button is activated.
    The following features are initiated:
    More sporty load cycle behaviour
    When the Sport Chrono function is selected, the transfers between acceleration
    and deceleration become sportier. This means that injection and ignition
    are switched on and off more directly when accelerating and particularly when
    decelerating, resulting in a more spontaneous and dynamic load cycle.
    More abrupt engine speed cut-off
    To increase driving comfort a 'gentle' cut-off is generally used when accelerating
    and reaching the engine speed cut-off setting. In the process the throttle is
    continuously closed when approaching the limit range for speed.

    The Sport Chrono function facilitates additional acceleration potential through
    the use of an abrupt engine speed cut-off by switching off individual cylinders
    (injection and ignition) in a rotating fashion just shortly before the engine speed
    limit. The perceptible limit of acceleration lets the driver know if an upshift is
    executed too late. This allows the driver to learn how to identify the optimum
    shift point with more accuracy and to take fuller advantage of the engine's
    potential for acceleration.
    When the Sport Chrono button is pressed, the abrupt cut-off is active in 1st to
    5th gears for the manual gearbox (without Sport Chrono function only in 1st
    and 2nd gears) and in the manual gate "M" for Tiptronic transmission.
    More dynamic accelerator pedal characteristic
    The electronic accelerator pedal (electronic throttle) has been used on the
    911 Carrera models since model year 2000. With this system, the accelerator
    pedal position is converted into electrical signals via potentiometers and
    forwarded as a control signal to the electromechanical throttle via the Motronic
    control module. The "conversion" between accelerator pedal angle and throttle
    angle is performed in the Motronic control unit. Sensitivity and hence
    driveability in the lower speed and load range are factors here, as is even
    transmission across the entire pedal or throttle travel.
    When the Sport Chrono button is active, a more dynamic accelerator pedal
    characteristic produces a more spontaneous engine response, underpinning the
    sporty character. This is achieved via a steeper rise for the electronic throttle
    characteristic by means of a shorter "conversion" between accelerator pedal
    and throttle angle. This means that the throttle is opened further or faster with
    the same accelerator pedal travel and selected Sport Chrono function (with
    Tiptronic S only in the manual "M" position).

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    PSM:

    A special Sport mode is available for the first time in PSM as part of the
    optional Sport Chrono Package Plus. This Sport mode facilitates a sportier
    drive and increases driving pleasure by allowing the driver to switch
    characteristics or functions in PSM via the Sport button.
    The following objectives were achieved in the development of the PSM 8 for the
    911 Carrera:
    * Reduction of braking distance and thereby extension of Porsche's marketleading
    position in the field of brake technology.
    * The driver is to be allowed more freedom before PSM intervenes than on
    the previous 911 Carrera. Especially when the PSM is switched off. To this
    end the system, which is still activated by pressing the brake, is only to be
    activated in real emergency situations.
    * At the same time, the control comfort was noticeably improved and the
    PSM system's weight was reduced.
    Implementation of set targets
    More agile setup
    PSM in the 911 Carrera offers more individual freedom than before thanks to
    the further development of its function logic.
    PSM deliberately waits until the last moment to intervene, particularly at low
    speeds of up to around 70 km/h, enabling more agile driving behaviour in tight
    corners.
    Reduction of braking distances
    A further reduction of braking distance has been achieved through the higher
    control quality of the PSM and the optimised ABS setup in combination with the
    new tyres.
    The valves used in the previous PSM to regulate pressure in the ABS system
    were conventional switching valves which enabled regulation in defined, although
    not very precise, pressure stages. The linear solenoid valves used allow virtually
    infinite and thus more precise regulation of the brake pressure. This way the
    control quality is improved and a more accurate ABS control, closer to the
    brake pressure optimum, has become possible. The result is a signification
    reduction in braking distance.

    Increase in comfort
    Control comfort has been noticeably improved. PSM interventions with the new
    system are noticeably smoother and more harmonious thanks to enhanced
    control algorithms. Brake pedal pulsation with ABS has been reduced through
    the use of the new linear solenoid valves. PSM control noises have also been
    significantly reduced in comparison with the previous PSM.
    Three measures were implemented to reduce the control noise:
    * Specific PSM software customisation to control the PSM hydraulic pump as
    required. The full pump performance and thereby pump speed, which is the
    main source of the noise, is only requested when absolutely necessary for
    the driving situation or the PSM intervention.
    * Use of hydraulic damping elements in vicinity of the PSM hydraulic pump.
    These ensure that pressure pulsations caused inside the brake system
    during the PSM interventions are reduced.
    * Fitting of new, softer brake line holdings to detach the brake line from the
    body to reduce structure-borne noise.
    The sum total of the implemented measures results in a noticeable reduction of
    the control noises during PSM intervention when compared to the previous
    system.
    Reduced weight
    The introduction of the PSM has permitted a significant reduction of the
    system's weight.
    As a result, the hydraulic pre-charge pump including bracket and hydraulic
    connecting line is no longer required. The PSM 8.0 pump can now ensure the
    dynamics required for the entire system (brake pressure build-up for PSM
    interventions) on its own without pre-charging, which has allowed the PSM
    system weight to be reduced by 25 % (3.0 kg).


    4541 PSM Off switch
    PSM can be switched off via a switch in the centre console (PSM Off switch) to
    increase driving pleasure.
    ABD remains active when PSM is switched off to ensure outstanding traction
    when accelerating out of corners and on surfaces with different friction values.
    The vehicle dynamic control can be reactivated in emergency situations by
    pressing the brake. The PSM 8 is different in that the brake pedal must be
    pressed with more force than before to activate the system.

    This affords the sporty driver more scope since gentle pressure on the brake
    will not result in vehicle dynamic control interventions thus allowing the driver to
    brake the vehicle into corners. If Sport Chrono is active at the same time, the
    vehicle dynamic control will intervene at an even later point, i.e. at even higher
    brake pressure, if necessary.
    The system switch-off is indicated to the driver via the PSM function light in the
    instrument cluster and the indicator light in the PSM switch. A gong also sounds
    and the text "PSM OFF" appears in the multi-function display in the instrument
    cluster. The lights go out and the text message "PSM ON" appears when
    PSM is switched back on. The text messages automatically disappear after
    10 seconds, but can also be acknowledged using the on-board computer lever.

     
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