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    KresoF1:

    Grant, that is an excellent question. Answer is rather difficult at the moment... It will pretty much depend on new GT3 engine technical design. If it will be a extreme high rev unit a la Ferrari 458 then 7th "power" gear makes sense in very way(because it will mask initial low torque at low revs). BUT, if new GT3 engine will be in its power delivery a la latest 4.0 GT1 block based unit then I do not see true need for 7th "power" gear.

    Also, since many GT3 users actually track from time to time their cars pretty long first and second gear may be an advantage on the track. With 7th "power" gear that advantage will be gone since most likely first five gears will be much shorter.

    My bet is that new GT3 will use ONLY one gearbox choice-either manual or PDK-S. So, if it is PDK-S chances for 7th "power" gear are 50/50 at the moment.

     Interesting about only 1 gearbox - that would make for quite a few unhappy customers (either way).

    The reason 7 performance gears would be so beneficial is that it could be great around town (low first gear), great on the track (very closely spaced gears would be a huge help, using mostly 2nd through 6th), and top speed would happen in 7th gear at peak engine power.

    The current GT3 (even 4.0) is not optimally geared for the track - large gaps between gears (especially 2nd to 3rd) and 2nd is too tall for some very slow corners (and first too low).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


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    Porsche would never hear the end of it if they didn't offer a manual box on the 991 GT3.


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    Carrara:

    Porsche would never hear the end of it if they didn't offer a manual box on the 991 GT3.

    I agree.  If they only offer one gearbox choice per model, then I would guess GT3 would have manual and GT3RS would have PDK-S.  But, I would think there would be a pretty sizable group that would want the opposite as well.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


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    That seems possible, and I agree with you. I think the chance of a PDK-S is extremely high, because the Mezger is being dropped for the 9A1 engine, which is already very compatible with PDK. I think what will end up happening is both the GT3 and GT3 RS will be standard with a 7 speed manual, and an optional PDK-S. I think one of the main reasons it might take a long time for the next GT3 isn't making PDK-S work, but making the 9A1 a suitable engine to reach ultra-high revs, and withstand extreme endurance. I think once they have that sorted out, the 991 GT3 will be ready to dominate on racetracks around the world.


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    Carrara:

    I think once they have that sorted out, the 991 GT3 will be ready to dominate on racetracks around the world.

    Smiley

    It should certainly dominate in the Carrera Cup race series Smiley, but don't know what other racing classes you might have had in mind.  Smiley


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    fritz:
    Carrara:

    I think once they have that sorted out, the 991 GT3 will be ready to dominate on racetracks around the world.

    Smiley

    It should certainly dominate in the Carrera Cup race series Smiley, but don't know what other racing classes you might have had in mind.  Smiley

    None frankly.

    458 GT2 and GT3 are very accomplished racers.

    Not 991 racing car planned for 2012, so Porsche will HAVE to deliver for the 2013!!!!

     


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    Okay, so more than likely, we'll see the 991 Cup Car in time for the 2013 season. It could race in things like Grand Am, and the Carrera Cup Challenges around the world. But I bet we'll have to wait until 2014 until the RSR, considering just how astonishing the new RSR is. I would imagine they would run that car for at least two seasons with minor tweaks in between. Also in 2014 is the new P1 car, so I assume the 2014 24 hours of Le Mans is going to be very exciting.


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    I thought Mr. Kristensen said 991 RSR will be ready for 2013?


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    Carrara:

     But I bet we'll have to wait until 2014 until the RSR, considering just how astonishing the new RSR is.

    Easy does it. This "interim" version of the RSR has not raced yet, so we don't know how its going to shape up against the opposition.

    This "current" edition of the RSR remains based on the 997 , but with wider front track (a la 991) and I am sure some other new parts. I prefer to think of it as a "interim" car.

    As for 2014: I  think the introduction of a new 991 GT3 RSR in the same year that Porsche launches it's LMP1 project may be a stretch for the Motorsport department. It's doable, but if I had the choice, I would not launch two separate racing models in the same year.

     


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    I guess all we can do is wait. And Porsche typically does have surprises around the corner, so I'm sure we're gonna be in for a great next few years in Porsche motorsport.


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    The dust hasn't settled from the 991 launch and there we go - we already got this lunatic on streets testing!!!

    Can't F****G wait!!!

     http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1070204_2013-porsche-911-gt3-spy-shots


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    Some more (although not much more Smiley):

     

    www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/erlkoenig-porsche-911-gt3-neuer-ueber-porsche-ab-2013-1092375.html


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    May I ask an off-topic question of any of our German-speaking Rennteamers?  Why do the German magazines refer to new, camouflaged cars by using the term "erlkoenig"?  (sorry, can't do an umlaut on my English-speaking keyboard).  I remember reading a famous prose poem by Goethe called Der Erlkoenig when I did German at school (many years ago), but I can't imagine what this has to do with cars.  Smiley


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    Pureblue,
    Though German is not my native tongue, I'd like to shed some light on this.
    It refers to the poem by Von Goethe, "Der Erlkönig" (the elf king).

    The poem starts with the following phrase:
    "Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?" (Who rides, so late, through night and wind?), and therefore journalists from Auto, Motor und Sport therefore started referring to the camouflaged prototypes as to "Erlkönige".
    If I recall correctly, they wrote an article about a camouflaged mercedes, and did that by making an adapted version of the original poem by Von Goethe.
     


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    Porsche, seperates LeMans from LeBoys

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    Thanks Joost--very interesting!


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    Jep, its a ballade of Goethe. The "Erlkönig" is something like a ghost, riding as a phenomenon through night and wind inside the forrest. He´s not to catch, he´s not real. So thats, what carcompanies think (or hope) of there camouflaged cars.  :-))


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    Joost and Georg, thanks for explaining.  So it is, in fact, related to the poem by Von Goethe - fascinating.  Smiley


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    Fledermaus901.jpg

    This was one of the first 901-Erlkönig pics from Porsche in the 60th - the car had the nickname: Fledermaus = Bat.

    As today some of the Erlkönig-pics were given directly from Porsche to the press.

    BlueflameSmiley


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    That picture is so awesome! Do you have anymore similar ones?


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    Carrara:

    That picture is so awesome! Do you have anymore similar ones?

    Just in my Porsche books, not on my PC.

    But here you can read something about another prototype called "Barbarossa":

    http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z9906/Porsche-901.aspx

    or here about the other cars called Sturmvogel, Blaumeise, Zitronenfalter:

    http://www.speedster356.ch/707849.html

    Sorry for OT

    Blueflame Smiley


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    Joost:

    Pureblue,
    Though German is not my native tongue, I'd like to shed some light on this.
    It refers to the poem by Von Goethe, "Der Erlkönig" (the elf king).

    The poem starts with the following phrase:
    "Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?" (Who rides, so late, through night and wind?), and therefore journalists from Auto, Motor und Sport therefore started referring to the camouflaged prototypes as to "Erlkönige".
    If I recall correctly, they wrote an article about a camouflaged mercedes, and did that by making an adapted version of the original poem by Von Goethe.
     

    LOL Joost, you either looked it up in Wikepedia (like I did) or you are the ultimate car geek! Smiley

    Smiley


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso 

    Ex: 993 Targa, 986S, 986 and 964 C2


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    LOL, the quotes from Goethe come from wikipedia indeed... my literature skills aren't that phenomenal. ;-)
     


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    Porsche, seperates LeMans from LeBoys

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    Porsche testing future technology in the 911 GT3 R Hybrid 2.0 -- video by Autocar...

    "Porsche has given the new 911 GT3 R Hybrid more power and less weight. Andrew Frankel puts the 661bhp Porsche development racer through its paces around Portugal's Estoril circuit..."

    • aspirated engine
    • water-cooled six cylinder Boxer engine with four-valve technology
    • displacement: 3,996 cc
    • stroke: 80,4 mm
    • bore: 102,7 mm
    • max. power: 342 kW (465 bhp)
    • dry sump lubrication
    • individual throttle butterflies
    • multi-point fuel injection (sequential)
    • Bosch MS 4.0 electronic engine management
    • Race exhaust system with pre and final silencer
    • Twin-branched muffler with centered exhaust pipes

    • Two permanently excitated synchronous motors
    • on the front axle, water-cooled
    • 2 x 75 kW (2 x 101 bhp) electric output
    • 15,000 rpm maximum speed
    • Porsche 6-speed sequential dog gearbox
    • Oil-water heat exchanger
    • Single mass flywheel
    • Hydraulic release bearing
    • Race clutch (triple plate carbon clutch)
    • Sperrdifferenzial 45/65 Prozent· Paddle Shift System
    • Electric flywheel battery, oil-cooled
    • 150 kW (203 bhp) permanent output
    • 0.2 kWh useful energy content
    • 40,000/min maximum speed

    Porsche-911-GT3-R-Hybrid_Autocar-video-link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    The new issue of evo magazine includes speculation around future 991 models......

    Evo-magazine_Porsche-991-future-models.jpg

    Evo-magazine_Porsche-991-future-models_p1_Cabriolet+Carrera4.jpg

    Evo-magazine_Porsche-991-future-models_p2_Turbo.jpg

    Evo-magazine_Porsche-991-future-models_p3_GT3.jpg

    Evo-magazine_Porsche-991-future-models_p4_GT2.jpg

    ...thanks to evo magazine!

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    Boxster Coupe CTS Thanks for posting the EVO article. The 991 Turbo looks fantastic..


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    2006 997 C2S Cab, Triple Black,  2006 Cayenne Titanium Iceland Silver Metalic New York


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    Will there be a GTS anytime in the next two years?


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    I really like the 918 inspired (and originally found on the RS Spyder) front on the GT2.kiss


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    991 Carrera S Cabriolet unveiled at the Detriot Auto Show 2012...

    "Ah, so the 991 cab at Detroit actually previews the 2014 GT2's rear wing!" -- Chris Harris

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    991 Carrera S Cabriolet unveiled at the Detriot Auto Show 2012...

    "Ah, so the 991 cab at Detroit actually previews the 2014 GT2's rear wing!" -- Chris Harris

    Smiley SmileySmiley

    SmileySmileySmiley


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    the roof action is UGLY.  let's see what will be offered as 991 targa 4s.


     
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