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    Jul 7, 2006 6:14:38 PM

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    Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    I have always wanted a 911 a now I have decided finally to spend the money... It will not be a daily driver as I also own a MB E-Class and a BMW 330i. Now what I am really after is a reasonably performant car with a reasonable level of comfort, so I am thinking placing an order for a std 911 with 18" wheels, PSE, navigation, xenon lights, full leather, etc. and mainly Tiptronic.
    I would love to hear from current owners if this makes sense or should I be braver and go with a 911 S with a manual...
    My main concern is that I will want to drive in the city now and then and the roads here in the Czech Rep. are not exactly perfect and traffic is also somewhat heavy...
    Any thoughts are highly appreciated. Thanks!!!

    Jul 7, 2006 6:29:01 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    I like your spec of a standard C2, w/ 18" wheels, PSE, etc. I only differ with you with regards to the transmission. For me it will be manual. I've driven both the manual and tip and the feel of the car changes, in my opinon, with the tip. To me it was a feeling of less sportiness, and less driver input.

    Good luck with what ever you choose, as it will be your car and not mine or anyone elses.

    Jul 7, 2006 6:58:55 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Do you ever drive out of the Czech Rep, how about to Germany on the autobahn, or just into Europe in general?
    Then you might want that 997 S ! ;-)
    I dont believe in Tiptronics on Porsches, the more I can control the speed of the car the better. As long as its not lowered, you can handle the roads no problem. Its just gonna be too much fun compared to the cars you have now IMO. You will want to drive this 997 ... all the time. Goodluck

    Jul 7, 2006 7:22:37 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    I do drive in Germany as well, but prefer Austrian mountain roads. If I go with a 997 S I need to get the 19" wheels due to the brakes as I have been told. Will there be a noticeable difference in ride comfort between 911 base 18" vs. 911 S 19" and PASM in Normal?

    Regarding the options: What do you miss most? I just hate the feeling when one tries to save a few pennies on some options and the finds out that would be definitely IT!

    Thanks!

    Jul 7, 2006 7:23:58 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    I plain C2 would be fine. The tip is not too bad when in sport mode, but you MUST order Sport Chrono with it to make it brighter.

    The tip has a tendency to upshift when you need to hold a gear. That's why for serious driving I switch to 'M' and control the gears from the wheel buttons. They do compensate for the auto's shortcomings.

    If you have bad roads you're better off with 18" rims. Those are less likely to go off-balance and vibrate at 110 km.

    Good luck

    Jul 7, 2006 7:36:13 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    MANUAL!!!

    Jul 7, 2006 7:56:54 PM

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    GET PSE for them ALPS.....
    Porsche Sports Exhaust....a must!!

    Jul 7, 2006 8:59:40 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    I'd get the manual over the tip if you can. Much more driver involvement. This is coming from a tip owner(I don't have enough space in the car for myself to operate the manual safely). If you do get a tip, the sport chrono is a must, otherwise you'll be disappointed with the tendency to uphift and not hold the gears in the automatic mode. Even once PDK is available, I'd like to have the manual once the 911s in the future have more room for me..

    Jul 7, 2006 9:03:02 PM

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    Quote:
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    MANUAL!!!


    About time

    None of this SMG garbage

    Jul 7, 2006 9:13:26 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    I am a manual junkie so manual is my for 9 choices. My 10th choice would be the automatic or as Porsche calls it Tip. If you plan on driving the car in heavy traffic areas mostly I guess the Tip would be the right choice. Now you do have 2 other cars to drive so .....

    Jul 7, 2006 11:18:58 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Quote:
    KHU said:
    I would love to hear from current owners if this makes sense or should I be braver and go with a 911 S with a manual...
    My main concern is that I will want to drive in the city now and then and the roads here in the Czech Rep. are not exactly perfect and traffic is also somewhat heavy...
    Any thoughts are highly appreciated. Thanks!!!



    I was having the same problem as you regarding tip versus man. Yesterday I had a manual short shift 997 for a few hours to test and right after that a 997S tip. Although my daily driver is a 645CI auto (will be replaced by 997 S X51 cabrio soon) and I thought I would be able to accept the tip I learned I was wrong. A tip has more drawbacks than I thought. What I did learn however is that the short shift is a dream. Together with a very light clutch it makes for a lot of fun. I was also stuck in traffic at some point and had no problems what so ever. I will place my order soon and it will be a manual. It's ok with the 997's clutch (very light) and incredibly fun short shift option to be stuck in traffic. At least that is my impression.

    Jul 8, 2006 3:02:38 AM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Get the manual transmission. A must have in a sports car. Plus you probably have automatics in at least one if not both of your other cars. Go for something different that way you got more options.

    Jul 8, 2006 6:16:54 AM

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    driving in city with 997S with short shifter shouldn't be a problem. The 6-speed is a gem, silky smooth even with the shorter throws. you'll save a bundle too with the manual shifter.

    Jul 8, 2006 6:18:24 AM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Thanks for all the comments. I did test drive yesterday a manual and I must say it was not heavy - as I was expecting.
    The car I drove was actually a manual base 997 with 19" wheels and std suspension and it was not that hard (I actually thought my BMW with 18" wheels and sport suspension was worse). Brings me to another question: will the 997 S (PASM in normal) with 19" be the same or harder?

    Jul 8, 2006 10:45:08 AM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Normal PASM is softer than non-PASM. Sport-PASM is useless as it is too bouncy. I hear the Turbo has an upgraded PASM.

    Also, the tip on the Turbo is superior than the Carrera.

    Don't forget to order tyre pressure monitoring. It cannot be retrofitted.

    Jul 8, 2006 11:37:05 AM

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    I greatly suggest watching the Top Gear episode where Clarkson drives the new 997. He concludes that the standard 997 is no better really than the 996 (drove them back to back) and that it is for middle aged fat people, while the 997S is for young, chisled- jawed, thin people. His words. His point is that the 997S is really what the 997 is about... what it was designed to be. But the standard 997 is nothing but a facelift. Obviously, there are numerous items which will tell a different story on paper. But in the end, the extra bit of cash, in my book, is well worth it. My 997 S has 19s (actually 20s now... but I have yet to drive it with them on it) and with PASM in normal, it handles bad roads just fine. Not stellar, but fine. I wouldn't let it keep me from the S. Not with all the other GLARING benefits. That's just my 2 cents. Especially if you went for tip too. I'd go with the extra displacement, then spend just a little more and get the Sport/Chrono. It's the best deal on the whole order sheet.

    Jul 8, 2006 12:05:50 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Based on my test drive (997 with 19" manual) and reading the posts here (have been doing that for the past day with a lot of joy from my wife ) I am leaning towards the follwing... any suggestions are highly appreciated:

    - 997 S Manual
    - Night blue with grey full leather
    - Short-shifts
    - Parking sensors
    - Tire pressure monitor
    - Sun roof (not sure about this as it is a lot of money...)
    - Auto-dimming mirrors with rain sensor
    - Seat heating
    - Electric seats with memory (again not exactly sure, but somehow used to it from current cars...)
    - Sport steering wheel
    - Sport Chrono Paket
    - PCM Navigation
    - BOSE
    - PSE
    - Leather center console
    - Telephone for the PCM
    - 19" Carrera III wheels
    - and some small bits (e.g. left foot rest, carpet inserts with leather, Porsche emblem on head rests, metal door sills, Carrera S inscription on centre console, porsche emblem in color on wheel caps)

    Jul 8, 2006 12:18:34 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    KHU,

    This is almost exactly my car (other than color and one or two very minor things). You'll love it. One thing I would suggest, if you are ordering, is to go with a two tone full leather. My car is grey and black two tone full leather and I love it. It really looks killer, especially when opening the doors to get in. It isn't that expensive. I didn't care that much either way when I got it, but I continually find myself in love with it lately. I don't know how badly one would need parking sensors on such a small car, but in the Czech, I have no idea. My telephone won't turn on. Wish I didn't bother with that. And the standard moonroof is very nice as it is. You just can't see out of it when it's shut. I like it though. It's the alcantera cloth on the bottom of it. This is much more of a man's car than you were initially discussing. You'll love it. And it really isn't bad in traffic. I'm in traffic with mine all the time. It IS my daily driver right now.

    Let us know what you end up doing for sure. Great job. Isn't this fun? I have so much fun ordering and buying cars... and then I get stir crazy and have more fun with my modifications. It's a disease.

    Jul 8, 2006 2:16:53 PM

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    Manual vs. Tip vs. DSG? I'd get the manual for now but when DSG comes out I'd get that. I have SMG on my M3 ("same" thing as DSG) and I love it. Frickin' faaaaast up/down shifts and perrrrfect everytime. Makes you glad the 100 year-old clutch pedal technology is finally dead (at least for SMG/DSG equipped owners).

    BTW, how are expensive, flashy sports cars viewed in the CR? Are you gonna be "hated" at every turn, like some parts of the USA?

    Jul 8, 2006 2:40:17 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    Quote:
    KHU said:
    Based on my test drive (997 with 19" manual) and reading the posts here (have been doing that for the past day with a lot of joy from my wife ) I am leaning towards the follwing... any suggestions are highly appreciated:

    - 997 S Manual
    - Night blue with grey full leather
    - Short-shifts
    - Parking sensors
    - Tire pressure monitor
    - Sun roof (not sure about this as it is a lot of money...)
    - Auto-dimming mirrors with rain sensor
    - Seat heating
    - Electric seats with memory (again not exactly sure, but somehow used to it from current cars...)
    - Sport steering wheel
    - Sport Chrono Paket
    - PCM Navigation
    - BOSE
    - PSE
    - Leather center console
    - Telephone for the PCM
    - 19" Carrera III wheels
    - and some small bits (e.g. left foot rest, carpet inserts with leather, Porsche emblem on head rests, metal door sills, Carrera S inscription on centre console, porsche emblem in color on wheel caps)




    Sounds great! I agree, get the 2 tone interior: BLK/GRY. Sweet!

    Jul 8, 2006 3:28:18 PM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    European roads (don't know about the Czech Republic's roads) tend to be smoother than roads in the U.S. That said, I got a 911S - the PASM is standard - and I get a good ride in standard mode - this with the standard 19" wheels. As the 911S is my second car, I don't really use it during adverse (snowy, icy) winter driving.

    If you do a lot of driving during winter, you may wish to stick to the 911 with the 18 inch wheels as it probably is better handling in snowy conditions.

    Jim

    Jul 8, 2006 4:49:32 PM

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    Regarding the gearbox: For a while I was seriously considering a BMW M6 from a local dealer - I know the owner well - compromise gearbox this SMG but two problems: it is not a Porsche and you can't really drive it in auto mode...

    Otherwise here in Czech I just can't drive a Porsche around without raising unwanted attention. I just love the car and for many years "preparing mentally and cash wise for this moment". So it will end up as a 3rd car for weekend trips and summer vacation. I would love to have as a daily drive to work but I guess I would have to move somewhere else...

    Jul 9, 2006 7:38:42 AM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    i used to live in prague for 6 years and one thing i have to say, dont get -20mm sport suspension!
    i own 997s with -20mm and here in greece is realy hard. i cant imagine driving my car in prague.
    by the way try to get the addaptive seats. they r great
    ahoj

    Jul 9, 2006 2:19:16 PM

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    Thanks for that. Based on your experience from Prague would you go for a std. 911 with 18" wheels or with the S and 19" wheels (my dealer told me I cannot have 18" on the S version)?

    Jul 9, 2006 5:28:01 PM

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    its going to be a little hard on 19, but its the only way for 997S
    go for the S and anyway you need 18's for winter months up there

    Jul 9, 2006 6:56:56 PM

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    Do I understand well that 18" wheels will fit an S? My dealer keeps saying that the S has bigger breaks and thus even during winter I will need 19"...

    Jul 10, 2006 8:53:17 AM

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    Re: Ordering a new 911 - seeking advise

    If it is not daily driver get the manual. I have a tip and I had to since it is my daily driver and I drive in heavy trafic. Some guys just does not understand trafic cause they have never been in one. Only way for me to own Porsche was to have a TipS and I can say for sure that it is no way close to any other modern transmission. this car deserves sequential as an alternative to 6-speed not tiptornic whic is ages behind other brands.

    On the other hand, because of that intense traffic I mentioned before, there are very few 997s here with 6-speed. when you order one they suggest you to name your car like your newborn child since you will unlikely to be able to sell it:)
     
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