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Oct 24, 2016 6:53:20 PM
- Grant
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
One of the few places on the calendar where the turbo motors make sense 
2,240 meters elevation...
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Interesting track, fairly new asphalt and very slippery.
A few considerations:
* Mercedes guys doing their homework, one has to win everything and the other finish P2 to secure the championship
* Looking fwd to see RBulls agressive start on the Mercs
* Hulkenberg 
such a great driver. Lacking a bit of consistency this year, but he always drops solid performances here and there, today was one of them. He seems to enjoy tracks on "weird" conditions
* Wonder where Sainz would be with a Ferrari 2016 specs engine, impressive reaching Q3 with no power
* Curious about ALO strategy starting from P11 and having the chance to pick tyres
My forecast: P1 HAM, P2 ROS, P3 RIC
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Oct 30, 2016 5:09:02 AM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
I think Rosberg will take the win with Lewis making a silly mistake that will cost him a few places. Pressure is certainly on.
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Oct 30, 2016 6:26:49 PM
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Oct 30, 2016 7:21:30 PM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
We'll see what happens 
Either way, it will be exciting racing between the two.
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Oct 30, 2016 9:12:22 PM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
Wonder if Vettel will have any trouble from this?
http://m.crash.net/f1/news/234907/1/sebastian-vettel-tells-charlie-whiting-to-fk-off.html
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Grant:Wonder if Vettel will have any trouble from this?
http://m.crash.net/f1/news/234907/1/sebastian-vettel-tells-charlie-whiting-to-fk-off.html
I thought it was hilarious tbh. Vett is just showing passion and Whiting should just take it on the chin. As long as its not every race where Whiting is receiving some verbal. They all want to win and we are not back at school so they should just let it go. Leave it to the teams to tell their drivers to try and cool it.
RBR's are getting quicker for sure though....
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
Vettel has become quite entertaining on the radio this year and this was his best weekend yet, starting with calling Alonso an idiot all the way through the weekend to today's words for Whiting. Everyone says Formula 1 needs to be made more exciting, and Vettel is single handedly doing just that. 
I will say, after what was mostly a fairly boring race, the closing laps did provide a bit of excitement, with Rosberg and Verstappen tangling for a bit and then Verstappen in the threesome with Vettel and Ricciardo.
Race Control ought to have ordered Verstappen to give the position back immediately, during the race, though. Imagine if Ricciardo had got by Vettel after that incident, solely because Verstappen was holding Vettel up. We probably would have seen an all out saloon fight between the Ferrari and Red Bull teams*. Maybe that's what they were hoping for, that would have spiced up the broadcast, having a brawl on the infield there.
* I'm pretty sure in that case, the protocol is that you fight with your counterpart on the other team, and i think Maurizio Arrivabene could definitely take Christian Horner, mano-a-mano.
Oct 31, 2016 1:33:37 AM
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That was entertaining but Verstappen is doing the loser thing again. He's young and wild, I get that, but he continues to be very classless and often wreck less. This will have consequences for sure as he cut a corner. They might give him an DNF or something in retrospect.
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Oct 31, 2016 1:48:41 AM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
What about the start of the race where Hamilton totally failed to slow down and then expertly cut the track and took a four second advantage? Almost like he had been practicing for hours on a simulator. Make it look like you are having a problem slowing down and then just go straight. It looked way too rehearsed. Since he was in the lead one could argue there was no advantage but then what about verstappen? He was in the lead. Where would a five second penalty put Rossberg?
Oct 31, 2016 2:17:14 AM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
Still 3+ seconds ahead of Rosberg. Although, if they had made him give the place to Rosberg and Verstappen, since it was early, it would have changed the whole complexion of the race. James Allen attributes it to him not racing for position at the time, which is debatable, and the fact that he didn't really gain time because the safety car came out immediately afterward.
Interestingly, though, Vettel seems to have been penalized 10 seconds for "driving erratically" (which is probably 5 seconds for the collision with Ricciardo and 5 seconds for dissing Whiting on the radio) and relegated to 5th: http://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2016/10/ricciardo-inherits-third-after-vettel-penalised-for-erratic-driv.html
The new order of the top 5 is
- Hamilton
- Rosberg
- Ricciardo
- Verstappen
- Vettel
Technically, Vettel's 10 second penalty (and 2 points on his license) was for changing direction under braking (according to his own telemetry) which drivers were warned about before last week's race, in response to complaints from, among others, Vettel about Verstappen's driving. The irony. I doubt that Vettel's radio comments helped his case, though.
Oct 31, 2016 2:49:08 AM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
It would definitely not help Vettel yes, but what did Verstappen get? Nothing, a talking to again?
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throt:Grant:Wonder if Vettel will have any trouble from this?
http://m.crash.net/f1/news/234907/1/sebastian-vettel-tells-charlie-whiting-to-fk-off.html
I thought it was hilarious tbh. Vett is just showing passion and Whiting should just take it on the chin. As long as its not every race where Whiting is receiving some verbal. They all want to win and we are not back at school so they should just let it go. Leave it to the teams to tell their drivers to try and cool it.
RBR's are getting quicker for sure though....
+ 1 . Vettel was in the heat of the moment and really pissed of . No problem to me for that . Max did the right thing by not giving his place back . And Vettel should of stayed straight when DR tried to over take him . That was worst
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
According to Brundle, there can be no comparison between Hamilton and Max both cutting a corner. Hamilton did it in a very early lap of the race, whereas in Max's case it was very late in the race.
Apparently the Stewards' contend that this makes a big difference...
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I don't think that's a valid argument, on which lap a competitor gains an advantage. And advantage improperly gained is an advantage improperly gained, regardless of when it's gained.
The only justification for Hamilton not being penalized for doing exactly what Verstappen did, and it may be a valid justification, is that it happened in the melee of Lap 1, Turn 1. In virtually every race Lap 1, Turn 1 is chaotic at best. Drivers frequently go off track to avoid collisions that would be otherwise unavoidable, and the Stewards usually overlook a lot of this chaos because it's unavoidable, and only egregious, avoidable errors of judgment tend to be penalized. (Although, there is a tendency to penalize less experienced and less accomplished drivers, as well as drivers who frequently commit Lap1, Turn 1 errors, more severely.)
Against that idea is the fact that Hamilton wasn't forced off track by anyone but himself. He simply failed to brake for Turn 1, went off road without much loss of pace, and rejoined the circuit in pretty much a straight line from where he left, avoiding the challenges that the track presented at that point.
I think he got away with it simply because he's Hamilton. Any other driver would likely have been penalized.
(And, no, Rosberg's offload excursion was not at all the same, as he was forced off track by Verstappen.)
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HAHA YEP
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Nov 1, 2016 6:41:40 AM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
F1 sucks with all those rules, just so stupid.
i mean do the tracks in order that if you get out of the track yuo will not find a short cutted grass golf course, which you can just fly over it and get 4 sec of advantage....put sand...in order that if you brake wrong..you are in the sand...the track is where you should go fast and overtake....outside...sand in order to slow down ...in that case nobody will even think about to use it.....
todays track are of course much more safe, but put the outside in order to slow the cars..not just to fly over without any problem....
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
Some additional information on the Red Bull/Vettel incidents: https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/11/opinion-sebastian-vettels-swearing-may-be-pardoned-but-f1s-radio-moaning-has-got-to-stop/
This website understands that Red Bull was told by the FIA stewards that Verstappen should give the place to Vettel – a message which Ferrari heard and relayed to its driver. This message to Vettel was heard by TV audiences but was thought to refer to an informal message to Verstappen from his race engineer soon after the incident.
But Red Bull did not tell Verstappen to move aside, and in failing to do so, while at the same time backing Vettel up into Red Bull’s Daniel Ricciardo on fresh soft tyres, it incensed Vettel to the point that he lost his head in the heat of the moment, went over-board with his messages and ended up in embarrassing situation for both himself and the Ferrari team.
Nov 2, 2016 3:06:22 AM
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Re: 2016 Mexican F1 Grand Prix
I liked that moment, it's racing! Verstappen is very naive and arrogant though.. this was another pretty dirty move from him. He seems like a great talent, let's hope his crappy personality won't get in the way 
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Atzporsche:I liked that moment, it's racing! Verstappen is very naive and arrogant though.. this was another pretty dirty move from him. He seems like a great talent, let's hope his crappy personality won't get in the way
At times, Schumacher was similarly inclined...
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... but pretty awkward moment there nevertheless 
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