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    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

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    Ed J said:
    Carlos - thanks for the excellent explanation re 50/50 weight distribution. Why do I not read that sort of thing in all the car magazines!

    By the way, I did not say the Aston was an "old" man's car, just that it's an "older" man's car. The two are very different. I am looking forward to buying an Aston one day, it's just something I'm quite happy to put off for a few years.



    I ask myself that same question as to why we don't hear this stuff in most mags and they hang to those "popular" or "populist" clitches. I recommend a book by famous Vic Elford called "Porsche High-Performing Driving Handbook", its old but its about weight bias, polar moment of inertia, etc and is very entertaining from the anecdotes he throws in and relates to form his Porsche racing carrer

    As to the Aston, I agree with you, I like that car, I have a high opinion of it so far, but I would only see myself driving such a car if I'm 20 years older, same person, just at an older age were you appreciate what the Aston has to offer yet you demand as much what a 911 offers.

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

    Don't remeber the url, maybe from a post about it in Flat-6, but if that front lands from that height angle, they are going to be testing how the front bumper bounces instead of the front wheels I would like to know more about the picture...

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

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    Aah you live in the US right? Isn't everything there on a first name basis...?

    Not everything, all the ladies call me "Mr. Fantastic", and I take umbrage to your insinuation, Mr. Snooty-snoot!!!

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    I would like to know more about the picture...




    "... one of the world's most famous journalists Doug Nye replied telling he was there.
    Here's what he wrote :

    I was there. I'm in the photo, the receding hairline just visible behind DSJ on the extreme right. It's Weissach test track of course, and the event was a Porsche Weissach open day, presenting the newly developed centre to the specialist press.

    I think it was about July or August time, 1972 - the year that Penske introduced the Porsche Panzer CanAm turbo Spyder in the US? In fact we happened upon Mark Donohue there with the extremely tatty, lashed-up 917/10 prototype Spyder, on test. He seemed extremely surprised, embarrassed and diffident when he found himself surrounded by press men.

    I wrote up the car with pix for the following week's 'Autosport' magazine, and heard later that Roger Penske went apeshit at Porsche because he had a major press launch planned for the US in which the car would be sprung upon the media there as a completely unheralded surprise - shock and awe!

    The car in the photo is the works 'red fire engine' 917K driven by 'old Mimmler', the resident test driver who knew the entire selection of alternative test tracks at Weissach.

    Reading from right to left amongst the right-side group that is Jenks (Denis Jenkinson) of course and the dark haired head just behind him is yours truly, with (facing left) Tony Curtis of 'Motor' magazine, then the tall figure of John Aldington, head of Porsche Cars (GB) and in the foreground with the camera round his neck is a journalist whose name I'm afraid I forget, I believe from 'Autocar'. then a fellow whom I really do not recall at all. Looking at this again, I think this is indeed Dr Helmut Bott, chief engineer, who has just photographed rather oddly in this shot), then Der Baron of course...Fritz Huschke von NSKK himself.

    This photo was taken at the test-circle end of the Weissach grounds, just at the end of the rough-road area where lane-width strips of Belgian pavee, broken rocks etc are interspersed by strips of alternative smoother surfaces. This jump had been set up on one of the smooth-surface strips, I presume to demonstrate endurance testing in preparation for something like the Nurburgring, with yumps to be endured...(or perhaps just for a bit of fun on this open day????)

    This was the day on which we were all ushered into the engine test house to see a new turbocharged 917 flat-12 running on the dyno, blammm!!...the dyno indicator needle wound round the dial like that on a weighing machine with me jumping on it off a wall, and Peter Falk I think it was - the engineer in residence - who announced flatly "Gentlemen - ein souzand horzpower!".

    DCN

    PS - Mimmler took each of us in turn for a lap or two of one of the circuits, and rather impressive it was too. I remember thinking as he tossed the 917 flat-out into one blind right hander for which I'd been braking hard, forcing my right foot against the pedal-less bulkead, 200 metres earlier, "Blimey, if this is what it's like with 'old Mimmler' driving, whatever must it be like with Seppi or Pedro on maximum CHARGE!...".

    So I guess the problem is solved !

    Luc"

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

    Sorry, not enough info... just kidding! wow! that clears it up and very interesting! thanks


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    W8MM said: the engineer in residence - who announced flatly "Gentlemen - ein souzand horzpower!".



    That was funny... that so german!

    Re: The Buying Experience

    Just out of interest, which dealer did you buy from ?

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

    ...and I thought it was a 1970's version of "launch control".

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

    Not to burst anybody's bubble, but AMV8 was dubbed as a car that would outperform 997, but the truth came out contrary to what Jeremy Clarkson said, the AMV8 is not even a competitor of 997, its an overweight pussy cat, not a tiger as many were expecting. The lap time at Nurburgring North Circuit is nothing much to rave about, as Clarkson alleged.

    Can you show us the article?

    I would love to see the article that states the AMV8 is a pussycat. Can you tell me which mag and which week/month it appeared in? Or point me to a reliable source that shows the AMV8's lap times compared to the 997S.

    Thanks!

    Le Chef

    Re: Can you show us the article?

    Goto http://www.amoc.org/
    then goto the forum and you will see.
    I am not sure if you will be able to read from the forum if you are not a member, if you are then goto http://p088.ezboard.com/fastonmartinownersclub75168frm21.showMessage?topicID=319.topic
    There you will find that the lap time at Nurburgring was 8min and 7secs and weighs 1570kg, the test car that did rumoured 7min 51secs was a much lighter car, not to mention that the chasis was rock hard.

    Re: EVO Magazine - New AM V8 and 997 S

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    Bitko said:
    Not to burst anybody's bubble, but AMV8 was dubbed as a car that would outperform 997, but the truth came out contrary to what Jeremy Clarkson said, the AMV8 is not even a competitor of 997, its an overweight pussy cat, not a tiger as many were expecting. The lap time at Nurburgring North Circuit is nothing much to rave about, as Clarkson alleged.



    Clarkson doesn't have any idea what he is talking about because the prototypes have not yet been put in journalists hands for full testing. However, preliminary reports from "ride alongs", etc suggest the car is all the non-S is going to want to handle. As well, it's considerably better looking inside and out. BTW, the CEO for Aston oversaw the developement of the 993 at Porsche which was arguably one of their best 911s ever. He, unlike present Porsche mgmt, is a real stickler for quality, reliability and over engineering.

    Bez is also a competitor

    I can't imagine in his position within Ford's PAG that he would want to lose potential volume growth for AM with a car that doesn't outperform its chief rival.

     
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