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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Grant:

    PDK specs here:

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-dual-clutch-transmission-718-22146.html

    Interesting. Half a second faster to 100. Clearly a different gearing than the manual then?


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    bluelines:
    Grant:

    PDK specs here:

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-dual-clutch-transmission-718-22146.html

    Interesting. Half a second faster to 100. Clearly a different gearing than the manual then?

    I hope so... since the PDK has seven gears and the manual only six. Smiley

    What is interesting though, that it effectively loses .1 second from 100 to 200. Therefore, no advantage for the PDK there. 


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Ferdie:
    bluelines:
    Grant:

    PDK specs here:

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-dual-clutch-transmission-718-22146.html

    Interesting. Half a second faster to 100. Clearly a different gearing than the manual then?

    I hope so... since the PDK has seven gears and the manual only six. Smiley

    Isn't the 7th gear only for highway fuel economy? Top speed reached in 6th gear?

    Then again "The seventh gear of the PDK has a shorter ratio in all 718 four-litre naturally aspirated engine derivatives.Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Good question! My understanding was, that the GT cars have seven drivegears. On the other hand, would be interesting to know if the 4.0 and GT4/Spyder have differing gear ratios.


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Configurator says a shorter 7th. Swiss one also says ohne komfortorientierte Kriechfunktion which I guess means it might make noises like the GT3s do..


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    DaveGordon:

    Swiss one also says ohne komfortorientierte Kriechfunktion which I guess means it might make noises like the GT3s do..

    No, I believe that is the engagement of 1st gear when on idle. To slowly “crawl” forward without having to press the throttle.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Ah yeah, sounds more likely.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I think the main acceleration advantage of the PDK is the launch (0-30kph).  It's actually slower than the Manual from 100kph to 200kph, despite having to shift twice and having more torque from the engine (ECU sets peak torque 11NM higher, since no limitation from the gearbox).

    The only explanation is that the PDK weighs more and wastes more power as heat in the wet clutches, so less power gets to the wheels.  I thought the extra torque liberated by the ECU would offset this in a straight line, but only for the first few meters from launch.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    bluelines:
    Ferdie:
    bluelines:
    Grant:

    PDK specs here:

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-dual-clutch-transmission-718-22146.html

    Interesting. Half a second faster to 100. Clearly a different gearing than the manual then?

    I hope so... since the PDK has seven gears and the manual only six. Smiley

    Isn't the 7th gear only for highway fuel economy? Top speed reached in 6th gear?

    Then again "The seventh gear of the PDK has a shorter ratio in all 718 four-litre naturally aspirated engine derivatives.Smiley

    From the description, the first 6 gears are the same which means top speed comes in 6th and 7th is just a cruising gear for quiet and fuel economy (just not quite as lazy as the stock 7th gear).


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    bluelines:
    Grant:

    PDK specs here:

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-dual-clutch-transmission-718-22146.html

    Interesting. Half a second faster to 100. Clearly a different gearing than the manual then?

    Yes, gearing is different from Manual but the same as all the other PDK 718S cars (except 7th gear) it seems.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Grant:
    bluelines:
    Grant:

    PDK specs here:

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/products/porsche-dual-clutch-transmission-718-22146.html

    Interesting. Half a second faster to 100. Clearly a different gearing than the manual then?

    Yes, gearing is different from Manual but the same as all the other PDK 718S cars (except 7th gear) it seems.

    Thanks! Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Topspeed:

     

    Nailed it. Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    On another note, new GT4 vs Vette:

    There is little doubt in our minds that, dollar for dollar, this is the best car of 2020, but it is also one of the best and purest sports cars ...ever made. angel

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a33825844/2020-chevy-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2020-porsche-718-cayman-gt4/

     


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    JoeRockhead:

    On another note, new GT4 vs Vette:

    There is little doubt in our minds that, dollar for dollar, this is the best car of 2020, but it is also one of the best and purest sports cars ...ever made. angel

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a33825844/2020-chevy-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2020-porsche-718-cayman-gt4/

     

    The GT4 Touring that C&D asked for is the GTS.  That’s the all around performer. 


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    CGX car nut:
    JoeRockhead:

    On another note, new GT4 vs Vette:

    There is little doubt in our minds that, dollar for dollar, this is the best car of 2020, but it is also one of the best and purest sports cars ...ever made. angel

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a33825844/2020-chevy-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2020-porsche-718-cayman-gt4/

     

    The GT4 Touring that C&D asked for is the GTS.  That’s the all around performer. 

    Yesssss! Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I can get behind "one of the best" for the money, but cannot get behind "purest . . . ever made."  Modern GT cars are pretty usable and cushy.  That is not a bad thing because fatigue is lower and thus we can use these cars more often, but the rawness and complete purity is gone.  I have a 981 GT4.


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    DeMan Motorsport 560HP 4.5L Cayman GT4 indecision


    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a34702957/deman-motorsport-porsche-cayman-gt4-45-liter


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    bluelines:

    DeMan Motorsport 560HP 4.5L Cayman GT4 indecision


    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a34702957/deman-motorsport-porsche-cayman-gt4-45-liter

    I’ve been following the build thread on Rennlist with much interest.

    watch this, and keep in mind that the RS has PDK. Smiley

     


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    angelangelangel

    Wow!


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    bluelines:

    angelangelangel

    Wow!

    GT3 for you next, buddy Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    throt:
    bluelines:

    angelangelangel

    Wow!

    GT3 for you next, buddy Smiley

    Hairy Chest Spec. Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    bluelines:
    throt:
    bluelines:

    angelangelangel

    Wow!

    GT3 for you next, buddy Smiley

    Hairy Chest Spec. Smiley

    Too slow. You need a GT4 built buy a guy named DeMan. blush


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Hello!

    what do you think about this comparision? Porsche Cayman GT4 (981) vs. 718 Cayman GT4 

    https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-features/porsche-cayman-gt4--981--vs--718-cayman-gt4/43342

    Do you think 981 is more fun to drive beacuse is more raw and visceral? 718 has lighter steering and much lighter clutch pedal than 981?

    and  waht differences for the engine? 


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    albygt4:

    and  waht differences for the engine? 

    The 4.0 would normally have more torque, but Porsche had to limit peak torque in the 718 to be same as 981 (which was already artificially limited in torque), because the gearbox is rated for only 420 NM.  So, different is that 718 has a bit more push near redline (200rpm higher), but otherwise similar but quieter in new car.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I think there are only a very few 981 owners having replaced their 981 with a 718... however, things like digital radio may be seen more often in 718 ... , for example ... 718 is always the newer car ...


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I think the consensus is that if you have the 981, the 718 isn't enough of an upgrade to be worth the significant price increase. You could probably find a 991.1 GT3 for around the same money as a new 718 if you are cross-shopping. Also, the 981 is more rare, and a bit less refined, the latter may offer a more visceral experience. Also, the 981 sounds better if that's important to you.


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    This is also why the 718 GTS is the more desirable acquisition than the GT4.  It’s basically the same car minus the rose jointed suspension, making it a better daily driver. 


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    CGX car nut:

    This is also why the 718 GTS is the more desirable acquisition than the GT4.  It’s basically the same car minus the rose jointed suspension, making it a better daily driver. 

    Yes, if you want a daily driver the you get a daily driver. If you don't want a daily driver than your logic does not hold well Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    _DSC3301.jpgI installed the RSNV wing risers on the car. The risers are 3 inches higher than the original ones and also a bit wider front to back. It does put the wing in just perfect position, as I always found it a bit too low before. There are other risers on the market, but all even higher and this I did not want. The fact that many US owners changed from higher models to these ones helped me decide.

    The risers have been extensively tested in wind tunnel and the manufacturer claims 20% more downforce at 80 MPH. This is balanced by removing the front aero ducts. Many US owners who track their GT4 cars have reported much improved high speed stability with the combination.


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