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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    By the way it looks great very happy for you. Lots of good luck 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Thanks Dave, Zahir ! I guess that quite some people have a very dedicated opinion about the proper running in procedure ( I remember that someone posted the correct procedure as described by a Porsche guy; Preuninger ?). A friend of mine took his RS to the track with 40km on the clock. Now the car is at 50.000km without any problems. Another did the same with his 918. But I'll keep it easy for now, esp since it is getting cold and rainy over here. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Look it’s not about 50k but as the engine gets older it will give issues. Also it’s about doing it proper so the engine is smooth.  I did my running in the old way. Only short drives no highway driving with lots of changing RPM.  I like my engine to run smooth and you can feel it becoming smoother as the kms go by. If you have such an expensive machine that has been created by so many passionate people one should be equally passionate about taking care of it and driving it properly. That’s my philosophy as a show of respect to the people who have put the endless hours into producing such a wonderful product. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ZahirD:

    Look it’s not about 50k but as the engine gets older it will give issues. Also it’s about doing it proper so the engine is smooth.  I did my running in the old way. Only short drives no highway driving with lots of changing RPM.  I like my engine to run smooth and you can feel it becoming smoother as the kms go by. If you have such an expensive machine that has been created by so many passionate people one should be equally passionate about taking care of it and driving it properly. That’s my philosophy as a show of respect to the people who have put the endless hours into producing such a wonderful product. 

    Fully agree


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Go and enjoy it my friend and love it as much as I love mine. Love the smell when you sit in love the start of the engine. Love the way it drives. All that love will make you want to take care of it in a loving way.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    schmoell:

    I finally got my car on Friday and - as most of you already know - it is a blast. The steering is like a scalpel, the folding seats are perfect and the whistles, bangs and rattles from the back are pure joy.  From the PZ we drove directly to our local Tesla SC to pick up the P100D which got some minor things fixed. The Tesla guys just loved the RS and asked me to just leave it there.

    On a more serious note I found that Porsche changed the running in procedure. The manual I got with my car states "1500km, 7000/min max" whereas the previous version asks for "3000km, 4000/min max"; the latter is still valid for the GT2 RS. Most of the GT3 RS OPF owners I talked to got the old version of that document, which is "WKD 991 05 10 19 11/17" . The correct version seems to be "WKD 991 07 10 19" 05/2019".

    Cheers
    Rick

     

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    Congratulations on your new car Smiley I wonder how much more you will enjoy it in track compared to the Turbo S . At the end , two great but different cars for different purposes .

    As to the run in procedure , the '' old '' one in the book mentioning 3000 km at 4000 rpm was just nonsense . Some people respected it like the holy grail  ( because it was written in the book ) and now all of sudden , it is only 1500 km at 7000 rpm for the same engine ! 

    These run in procedures have so many myth around them . Best is to be sensible . 

    when visiting the Lambo factory a few weeks ago they showed us how each engine , before it goes into the car, is put on a bench and run for about 20 min .  And then when the car is finished , each of them is driven by a technician for about 20 km on public streets . I saw a few of them , and they were being reved the whole way, engine screaming max . 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Gnil:
     

    when visiting the Lambo factory a few weeks ago they showed us how each engine , before it goes into the car, is put on a bench and run for about 20 min .  And then when the car is finished , each of them is driven by a technician for about 20 km on public streets . I saw a few of them , and they were being reved the whole way, engine screaming max . 

    Don't worry, GT engines are also bench tested with no mercy. every single one of them. the break-in procedure is more for the rest; axle, suspension, brakes...Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    the-missile:
    Gnil:
     

    when visiting the Lambo factory a few weeks ago they showed us how each engine , before it goes into the car, is put on a bench and run for about 20 min .  And then when the car is finished , each of them is driven by a technician for about 20 km on public streets . I saw a few of them , and they were being reved the whole way, engine screaming max . 

    Don't worry, GT engines are also bench tested with no mercy. every single one of them. the break-in procedure is more for the rest; axle, suspension, brakes...Smiley

    It isn't really a problem if they put a little bit of "stress" on the engine in the beginning but doing a whole track day with a new engine is a problem. Same goes to driving as fast as possible on the Autobahn, maxing out the throttle whenever you can.

    Bench tested with no mercy? The engines I saw were tested with...pressured air. They weren't actually running. Only a few engines are randomly tested "hot".


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    RC:

    Bench tested with no mercy? The engines I saw were tested with...pressured air. They weren't actually running. Only a few engines are randomly tested "hot".

    GT engines are all hot tested since 2014 fiasco Smiley


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    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Guys all engine tests are done without load on factory shop floor. Run in the engine you will be happier in the end that you did it proper. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    An Engine Dyno does put load on an engine (that is how they measure its output)...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    the-missile:
    RC:

    Bench tested with no mercy? The engines I saw were tested with...pressured air. They weren't actually running. Only a few engines are randomly tested "hot".

    GT engines are all hot tested since 2014 fiasco Smiley

    As far as I heard, Porsche has strongly limited hot engine bench testing because of environmental reasons (no kidding). Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ZahirD:

    Guys all engine tests are done without load on factory shop floor. Run in the engine you will be happier in the end that you did it proper. 

     

    Of all the people in the world, one would think Porsche would know their own cars the best, logical isn't it?

    At Porsche Leipzig, their school cars, GT3, GT3RS, etc are delivered to them brand new from the factory floor. And they are literally run hard since new, they don't do the 1500-2000km 'break-in'. 

    The only thing they observe is to go easy until the engine is properly warmed up and at operating temperature. 

    That last bit is the most important. Wait till the engine is warm.

     

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Sure that’s the school they don’t care no one owns them and after sometime they get rid of them. They are run to the bone. Would you buy a car that you know has been driven hard on the track day in and day out and now they are getting rid of it. If so go ahead but I for one wouldn’t. Just like I wouldn’t buy a car that’s been a taxi or a rental. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Was wondering as well if the GT2RSCS needs a run in period Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    You will replace the engine or rebuild it after sometime that’s what happens with race cars just as you would replace breaks suspension and so on as they get worn out in a much shorter time because they are constantly being driven hard. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    So you guys are telling me I've been doing it wrong 😂

    With my GT3T, I could only wait about 500km before I floored it to 9000 rpm. It's just a car at the end of the day, and as long as the warranty is there I wouldn't mind a new engine indecision, actually I would prefer a new engine if this one is a keeper.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Yo I did my KM up and down beach road did you see me. Have you taken the car on the track. The Porsche club in Dubai have they done any events 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ZahirD:

    Yo I did my KM up and down beach road did you see me. Have you taken the car on the track. The Porsche club in Dubai have they done any events 

    Not really. I don't enjoy large events.... Anything more than 3 people is a large event for me. I prefer solo driving more and away from the crowds Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Ok where are you doing your solo driving these days ?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ZahirD:

    Sure that’s the school they don’t care no one owns them and after sometime they get rid of them. They are run to the bone. Would you buy a car that you know has been driven hard on the track day in and day out and now they are getting rid of it. If so go ahead but I for one wouldn’t. Just like I wouldn’t buy a car that’s been a taxi or a rental. 

    Smiley Exactly. They don't care if these engines (or even the drivetrain/gearbox, which needs to be run in properly as well) have issues later on at 60, 70 or 80k km. Smiley Also, they don't care if these engines produce 10,20 or 30 hp less because of the improper break-in. I know that people are told that a break-in isn't necessary and the claims that the recommended break-in period stated in the manual is more related to the drivetrain, tires and brakes but a proper break-in is important but of course it depends on how long you want to keep the car. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ZahirD:

    Ok where are you doing your solo driving these days ?

    These days I'm enjoying Southern California, Los Angeles. But back home when the weather is good, the drive to the Eastern and northern parst of the country is always a joy, especially around Wadi Al Helo, located between shj and kalba, or to Jebel Jais, RAK. Another great drive are the coastal roads through the mountains near Musandam, Oman which is also one of the best scuba diving destinations in the region. 



    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Spyderidol:

    https://www.enginelabs.com/news/dispelling-engine-break-in-myths-with-high-performance-academy/

     

    This. an engine literally don't have a lot of time to break in, which is why those extra long break in period is pointless. 

    The very conservative recommendations are for people that don't wait till the engine is up to temperature before gunning it, cause by the time the engine is 2-3-4000km old, the engine will be loose enough for those acts even when cold. Not really but one gets the idea.

    Literally the first couple hundred kms is the most important and especially so to make sure the engine is up to temperature first. 

    Someone think Porsche doesn't care about school cars, they do, as for each car that broke they have one less car to go around. Before every session the cars are bought up to temperature before the students are getting in, and since it's a school, the instructors dictates the pace, no one is cold revving the engine to 9000 rpm. 

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    GT3RS was faster than the 918 Spyder at Car and Driver Lightning Lap 2019.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a29389811/2019-porsche-911-gt3-rs-lightning-lap/


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Compared to the Turbo the RS is such a joy to drive. The grip, the corner speed, the sensation from the screaming engine are just wonderful; what an amazing machine Porsche has built ! Some of you may remember my question regarding the seat options and I think it was Gnil who explained that the best seat will depend on how the head is mounted on the neck.  Because of this advice I went for the foldable seat (after some more testing) and couldn't be any happier. With helmet and HANS they are just perfect for me and driving long distances on the Autobahn is as comfortable as it can be.
    Here are some images from a track day. What I like about those is, that they make me look like I could drive and when you look closely, you'll see the heat surrounding the rear of the car.

    - Rick 

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Fantastic Rick!

    Are you planning another autumn outing at the ring? I will be there 8-9 Nov.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    I'd very much love to be there and meet you and maybe some other RTers. But the ring in Nov is very likely too cold, too wet and too much for my limited skills. I'll also skip Hockenheim and Bilster Berg for the same reasons. But as a compensation I'm currently planning to get the car to Ascari for the winter  


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Great photos Schmoell kiss And glad you can used it in it s full potential .  I see some very fast Turbo's on track , but the feeling you get inside a GT car is worth much more then the few seconds difference . 


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