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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    pmarkow:

    i love it (would choose rosso corsa or giallo triplo strato) but today i was told that i won't get one::::(((((

    so i am back to the GT3RS - but i might not get an allocation either - or the 488GTB.

    peter

     

    Peter, I think you are not missing much by missing out on the F12tdf. Unless you think it's good investment for future gain.

    Ferrari offered the car to people who missed out on the LaFerrari. It's their consolation prize. Kind of like Porsche telling people who couldn't buy a 918 Spyder that they can have a Boxster Spyder instead.

     

    You are so mean, Nick. Smiley Smiley

    Well, I could get a 918 but I only had the money for a Boxster Spyder, so I got myself a 991 GTS Cab. Smiley SmileySmiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    You did better then with the 991 :)

    What I said is straight off from Ferrari. They told me I don't have a LaFerrari in my name, but I do have a F12VS in my name. I said, what, this is my consolation prize? They said yup. I told them to sell me a LaFerrari then I will also buy the F12VS. Took me all of 30 seconds to tell them no I am not buying it.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    well i only read comments about the look,

    but what a bout an 780 hp v12 that screams uo to 9000 rpm????, i saw that the aerodinamcs is quite impressive, - 110 kg of wheight, incredible breakpower, the new rear steering  (PCV) , 230 kg downforce at 200 kmh, a new underbody aereodynamic ...etc..

     

    the italian presentation of prestanda.... if I could buy it ..blue would be my choise....i like it a lot!!!

    SCHEDA TECNICA FERRARI F12tdf

    Motore Tipo V12 - 65°
    Cilindrata Totale 6.262 cc
    Potenza massima780 cv - 8.500 giri/min
    Coppia massima 705 Nm a 6.750 giri/min
    Regime massimo 8.900 giri/min (limitatore)
    Lunghezza 4.656 mm
    Larghezza 1.961 mm
    Altezza 1.273 mm
    Peso a secco 1.415 kg
    Distribuzione dei pesi 46% ant - 54% post
    Pneumatici e cerchi Anteriori 275/35 ZR 20” 10” J
    Posteriori 315/35 ZR 20” 11,5” J

    Prestazioni Ferrari F12tdf

    Velocità massima oltre 340 km/h
    0-100 km/h 2,9 sec
    0-200 km/h 7,9 sec
    Giro di Fiorano 1’21”
    Consumo 15,4 l/100 km
    Emissioni 360 g/km


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Hardware really looks impressive and there's a lot to say about a front engined V12 Ferrari. It doesn't look nearly as good as a 599 GTO, but I'm thinking it's a riot in the driving department.

    I'd have it in a darker color to lose a bit of the excessive styling.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Another great shof of the new F12 tdf... smiley

    F12tdf ;-).jpg


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Rossi:

    Another great shof of the new F12 tdf... smiley

    F12tdf ;-).jpg

    Only mean people today here in the forum. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Bleh. 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    reginos:

    Totally inappropriate name as 99.99% of the people link this name to bicycles

    They could have done worse.  They could have called it dnf.   Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:

    You did better then with the 991 :)

    What I said is straight off from Ferrari. They told me I don't have a LaFerrari in my name, but I do have a F12VS in my name. I said, what, this is my consolation prize? They said yup. I told them to sell me a LaFerrari then I will also buy the F12VS. Took me all of 30 seconds to tell them no I am not buying it.

    I think you will regret it just like selling the Speciale Smiley  . I will,however, admit to being biased Smiley


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    I actually thought the same. The F12tdf is certainly a very interesting product, to say at least and if Nick doesn't like it, he could certainly sell it for a premium at some point. 


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    crayphile:
    Whoopsy:

    You did better then with the 991 :)

    What I said is straight off from Ferrari. They told me I don't have a LaFerrari in my name, but I do have a F12VS in my name. I said, what, this is my consolation prize? They said yup. I told them to sell me a LaFerrari then I will also buy the F12VS. Took me all of 30 seconds to tell them no I am not buying it.

    I think you will regret it just like selling the Speciale Smiley  . I will,however, admit to being biased Smiley

     

    You are probably right lol.

    Well the Speciale is different, I never had the civilian version. But this time I have the regular F12, and I already know that chassis is borderline uncontrollable with 730hp, the same chassis with less weight, 40 extra hp and wider front tires is gonna make it even more tail happy. And I absolutely hated the tuner look, I think Ferrari contracted out the styling of the F12tdf to Novetec or DMC or something. The F12tdf basically ruins the good looks of the F12.

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    crayphile:
    Whoopsy:

    You did better then with the 991 :)

    What I said is straight off from Ferrari. They told me I don't have a LaFerrari in my name, but I do have a F12VS in my name. I said, what, this is my consolation prize? They said yup. I told them to sell me a LaFerrari then I will also buy the F12VS. Took me all of 30 seconds to tell them no I am not buying it.

    I think you will regret it just like selling the Speciale Smiley  . I will,however, admit to being biased Smiley

     

    You are probably right lol.

    Well the Speciale is different, I never had the civilian version. But this time I have the regular F12, and I already know that chassis is borderline uncontrollable with 730hp, the same chassis with less weight, 40 extra hp and wider front tires is gonna make it even more tail happy. And I absolutely hated the tuner look, I think Ferrari contracted out the styling of the F12tdf to Novetec or DMC or something. The F12tdf basically ruins the good looks of the F12.

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
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    Oh, oh...I hear ya brother. 

    Well...I passed on the GT3 RS 4.0, the GT2 RS, the 918 (could have sold it after 6 months but who knew after the slow start?), the 991 GT3 RS (something I will surely regret as well)....

    Maybe I should blame Apple, they just grow (stock value) way too slow. Smiley Smiley

    I guess Obama had nothing to do with this...or did he? Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    But this time I have the regular F12, and I already know that chassis is borderline uncontrollable with 730hp, the same chassis with less weight, 40 extra hp and wider front tires is gonna make it even more tail happy.

    To me this is one of the main attractions of the F!2  - it has to be treated with respect and one has to be alert and switched on at all times. Getting in to a 458 afterwards makes what is to all intents the benchmark mid-engined supercar feel like its almost too easy to drive if you see what I mean.


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Porker:

    I'd have it in a darker color to lose a bit of the excessive styling.

    I think it needs something which contrasts with the carbon. 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    crayphile:

    But this time I have the regular F12, and I already know that chassis is borderline uncontrollable with 730hp, the same chassis with less weight, 40 extra hp and wider front tires is gonna make it even more tail happy.

    To me this is one of the main attractions of the F!2  - it has to be treated with respect and one has to be alert and switched on at all times. Getting in to a 458 afterwards makes what is to all intents the benchmark mid-engined supercar feel like its almost too easy to drive if you see what I mean.

    This is what I love about the GT500 and yes, if I could afford it, I would have a F12 instead of the GT500. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    The F12tdf basically ruins the good looks of the F12.

    +1

    from beauty into an ugly duckling 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    reginos:

    Pimp elements have been present in some recent Ferrari and Lamborghini designs. They indicate where the money is these days.indecision

    then how about the GT3 (RS)? does you pimp argument only apply to ferrari and for porsche it is form follows function????

     


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    pmarkow:

    i love it (would choose rosso corsa or giallo triplo strato) but today i was told that i won't get one::::(((((

    so i am back to the GT3RS - but i might not get an allocation either - or the 488GTB.

    peter

     

    Peter, I think you are not missing much by missing out on the F12tdf. Unless you think it's good investment for future gain.

    Ferrari offered the car to people who missed out on the LaFerrari. It's their consolation prize. Kind of like Porsche telling people who couldn't buy a 918 Spyder that they can have a Boxster Spyder instead.

     

    thanks for the consolation whoopsy, but i think you are wrong....the car will be a blast to drive. i am looking forward to reading your driving experiences with it......while i like mid-engined cars a lot i believe this F12 will get close to the LaFe in terms of driving dynamics. i can do without the electric engine and hybrid parts.

    peter

     


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    from my Aug 3 post on page 1 , the similarities in the front fender vents is ......"  unfortunate  " :

    as some posted, the tdf would look much " faster " and sleeker with the upright front vents painted body color , as there is TOO MUCH going on in that small fender area : cavallino badge, huge black vent , deep door scallop ...even the tiny  round repeater lamp : 

     

     


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

     
    Whoopsy

     

     

     

     

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    just what i was thinking...too much corvette in the styling


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    crayphile:
    Porker:

    I'd have it in a darker color to lose a bit of the excessive styling.

    I think it needs something which contrasts with the carbon. 

    I agree with frank on this, actually TDF blue would be cool in this car i think. There's going to be a bunch of them done in red, white, and yellow. And historically from engined ferraris have always looked striking in darker color. Not to mention it might help rein in some of the over the top design. 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Yellow never looked good on modern v12s. They shoulda picked Red or White.


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Rossi:

    Another great shof of the new F12 tdf... smiley

    F12tdf ;-).jpg

    Getting ready to post a similar photograph after viewing the pictures of the new Ferrari.  FCA must really be working hard to force a merger with GM.


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Enmanuel:
    crayphile:
    Porker:

    I'd have it in a darker color to lose a bit of the excessive styling.

    I think it needs something which contrasts with the carbon. 

    I agree with frank on this, actually TDF blue would be cool in this car i think. There's going to be a bunch of them done in red, white, and yellow. And historically from engined ferraris have always looked striking in darker color. Not to mention it might help rein in some of the over the top design. 

    Jeez, tough reception on Rennteam for the tdf today Smiley SmileyNot sure I dare show mine when it arrives Smiley. I did a quick spec at the reveal a few months ago in Bianco Italia as I have not had that colour before and I thought it would contrast with the carbon. There was no vertical stripe livery available at that time  - hope it is by the time of my next visit to Maranello to spec again in November. Now that we know the name perhaps there are some historical cues that one might use for a colour / livery 

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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    " tdf  blue " will be the best color ...and as mentioned above , darker colors help slim down the bulkiness of the long hooded cab-rearward front-engined V12 flagships and in this case helps to camo the many , many scattered " patches of black" ..I count 19 in this pic alone !


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Turbo:
     
    Whoopsy

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
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    Are you talking about a McLaren F1?

     

    Yes. After Futch got his I went looking too. The price has since exploded.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    pmarkow:
     

    thanks for the consolation whoopsy, but i think you are wrong....the car will be a blast to drive. i am looking forward to reading your driving experiences with it......while i like mid-engined cars a lot i believe this F12 will get close to the LaFe in terms of driving dynamics. i can do without the electric engine and hybrid parts.

    peter

     

     

    Sorry to disappoint, I won't have one coming, but I think crayphile do. 

    Front mid engine cars still drives differently than rear mid engine though. But yes I believe the tdf will drive like a caged animal, ready to snap at anytime.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    crayphile:

    But this time I have the regular F12, and I already know that chassis is borderline uncontrollable with 730hp, the same chassis with less weight, 40 extra hp and wider front tires is gonna make it even more tail happy.

    To me this is one of the main attractions of the F!2  - it has to be treated with respect and one has to be alert and switched on at all times. Getting in to a 458 afterwards makes what is to all intents the benchmark mid-engined supercar feel like its almost too easy to drive if you see what I mean.

     

    I think I know what you mean. The 458, even in Speciale version, doesn't have too much power down low, so they don't threaten to bite every time you turn. 


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    crayphile:

    But this time I have the regular F12, and I already know that chassis is borderline uncontrollable with 730hp, the same chassis with less weight, 40 extra hp and wider front tires is gonna make it even more tail happy.

    To me this is one of the main attractions of the F!2  - it has to be treated with respect and one has to be alert and switched on at all times. Getting in to a 458 afterwards makes what is to all intents the benchmark mid-engined supercar feel like its almost too easy to drive if you see what I mean.

     

    I think I know what you mean. The 458, even in Speciale version, doesn't have too much power down low, so they don't threaten to bite every time you turn. 

    true but it will be reined in by the electronics. unleashed the car is probably a very serious suicide weapon.


     
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