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    BMW M3-AMS test

    As fast as R8...

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

    Now... only if I could read German...

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    kreso,

    It's a lie, there are no cars out there in the world that can be as good or better than R8 .

    Can't wait to see how the upcoming RS5 would measure up to the new M3.

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

    It's a lie, there are no cars out there in the world that can be as good or better than R8 .

    agree...
    btw, M3 is limited to 250 km/h, or 280 optional (costs 2500 Euro - includes school drive)

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    Ron (Houston) said:

    Can't wait to see how the upcoming RS5 would measure up to the new M3.



    The RS5 and C63 AMG should "easily" outperform the M3 in a straight line thanks to their superior torque. The C63 has 600nm max torque, and 500 nm between 2000-6000 rpm. The RS5 is expected to have somewhere btw 600-700 nm over a broad rpm range. The M3 has 400 nm max torque.

    But whether they can outperform or keep up with the M3 when the road isn't that straight, like around the NBR, will be very interesting to see...

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    Temm, where did you read that RS5 will have 600-700nm? What engine is it going to have? Twin turbocharged 4.2?

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    New 4.0L V8 with Bi-turbo, FSI of course, smaller version of new RS6 engine. You can expect around 450hp/600Nm...

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

    Quote:
    WAY said:
    Temm, where did you read that RS5 will have 600-700nm? What engine is it going to have? Twin turbocharged 4.2?



    You have to pay attention to what Kreso posts
    (he has said this earlier as well)

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

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    KresoF1 said:
    As fast as R8...



    ...until first corner

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    Tim,

    I do not know if you will agree with me but, it seems that Audi S5 and new M3 are offering the best value currently. S5 is more expensive then 335i(although, not very much with the similar options, at least on my market) but, it is simply better car IMHO. New M3 s on the other hand offering same accleration as R8(keep in mind that according to some EVO guys M3 is actually faster then R8 in 0-140mph and 0-150mph!!) for 45% less money...

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    Quote:
    Shakal said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    As fast as R8...



    ...until first corner



    Actually,

    You are wrong here. According to my Motorpresse friend new M3(with 280km/h option) is faster in 0-250km/h then R8, almost 1s faster... So, no way that R8 driver will be able to overtake M3 driver on the autobahn(if M3 driver is doing more then 250km/h). From my personal test drive I can tell you that R8 is not very impressive above 220km/h... Remember RC story about guy in R8 that was pretty nervous because he could not get away from his Cayenne TS? This story is pretty much truth...

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    Quote:
    temm said:
    Quote:
    Ron (Houston) said:

    Can't wait to see how the upcoming RS5 would measure up to the new M3.



    The RS5 and C63 AMG should "easily" outperform the M3 in a straight line thanks to their superior torque. The C63 has 600nm max torque, and 500 nm between 2000-6000 rpm. The RS5 is expected to have somewhere btw 600-700 nm over a broad rpm range. The M3 has 400 nm max torque.

    But whether they can outperform or keep up with the M3 when the road isn't that straight, like around the NBR, will be very interesting to see...



    So Audi RS5 will be faster than M3 in straight line, which is in turn as fast as R8???
    So RS5 beats R8 in straight line
    I'm struggling to see the sense in that

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    You are not the only one... R8 is clearly underpowered and overweight as it is. It is excellent drive but, really fast it is NOT. AFAIK even V10 version of R8 will not be any faster then normal 997 Turbo...
    It seems to me that R8 is after all marketing BS just very good image booster for Audi... I personally made a little mistake and did not belive enough in Porsche but, I corrected it...

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

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    KresoF1 said:
    Tim,

    I do not know if you will agree with me but, it seems that Audi S5 and new M3 are offering the best value currently. S5 is more expensive then 335i(although, not very much with the similar options, at least on my market) but, it is simply better car IMHO. New M3 s on the other hand offering same accleration as R8(keep in mind that according to some EVO guys M3 is actually faster then R8 in 0-140mph and 0-150mph!!) for 45% less money...



    I agree, for the european market. Here in Norway, with our interesting tax system, the 335i is the best value IMO. The S5 is 35k euro more expensive than the 335i and the M3 85k euro more expensive. (And the baseprice of a 335i is more than 100k euro )

    So what are you saying Kreso, not getting the R8 after all

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    No, I am getting it. But, I will sell it probably...

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    ok

    little off-topic question:

    how does this Change the perception of the unbelievable EVO autodrome tracktimes of the R8?

    Do they still stand in the light of the lack of speed of the R8? Or does the R8 (perhaps we should say R4 )
    carry that much speed trough corners?

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    I am very sceptical about that R8 EVO wonder lap. Can you really belive that Gallardo SL is just 0.4s faster at Bedford then R8? And that 997 Turbo and GT3RS are slower there then R8? Come on!

    Gallardo SL is 1.8s faster then R8 on the Hockenheim and 18s(!) faster on the Ring on same tires(Corsa's)...

    Some things were either very wrong with Ferrari 599, Porsche 997 Turbo and GT3RS or EVO stuff really do not know how to drive little bit more damanding sportscars.

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    or bedford autodrome is not really suited to do laptimes...

    possibly too small to show clear advantages?

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    New 4.0L V8 with Bi-turbo, FSI of course, smaller version of new RS6 engine. You can expect around 450hp/600Nm...



    When will the RS5 arrive?
    The word on the web is early 2008...

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    Wow I am looking forward to this RS5. I want a 4 seater coupe/sedan in the next 12-18 months, so I am really keen to see how the RS5/RS4 will go against the M3 and C63. I just hope that RS5 will be launched with a DSG gearbox.

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

    Quote:
    temm said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    New 4.0L V8 with Bi-turbo, FSI of course, smaller version of new RS6 engine. You can expect around 450hp/600Nm...



    When will the RS5 arrive?
    The word on the web is early 2008...



    More likely late 2008... Problem is not the engine but, stupid S-Tronic(7speed version).

    Re: BMW M3-AMS test

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    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    temm said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    New 4.0L V8 with Bi-turbo, FSI of course, smaller version of new RS6 engine. You can expect around 450hp/600Nm...



    When will the RS5 arrive?
    The word on the web is early 2008...



    More likely late 2008... Problem is not the engine but, stupid S-Tronic(7speed version).


    Will the RS5 have a manual gearbox option too?

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    If they do not solve all issues with 7speed S-Tronic manual seems to be likely(or only) option...
    But, keep in mind that new RS6 is TIP only.

    Audi R8 - Evo laptime via Jonathan Palmer...

    hey KresoF1 - there is a rumour on the Audi R8 laptime at Bedford Autodrome...

    BEDFORD AUTODROME - LAP TIMES:

    Car - Lap Time - Peak Speed


    Carrera GT 1:19.70 120.5
    Caterham CSR 260 1:21.00 112.8
    McLaren F1 1:21.20 120.2
    Ferrari Enzo 1:21.30 120.9
    Audi R8 1:22.10 113.7
    Koenigsegg CCX 1:22.30 120.0
    Gallardo '06 1:22.80 116.9
    Mosler MT900 1:23.00 115.7
    Ascari KZ1 1:23.20 117.8
    997 GT3 1:23.40 114.4
    etc...

    Evo_Audi-R8_Group-Test

    Evo_Audi-R8_video

    Evo_Audi-R8_review

    (1) Bedford Autodrome is owned by Jonathan Palmer

    (2) JP also runs the Formula Palmer-Audi series, based at Bedford
    (www.formula-palmer-audi.com)

    ...JP is reliant on the Audi relationship to maintain the Formula Palmer series!

    So the rumour is that Audi had a little "help" from the team at Bedford Autodrome to ensure that the Audi R8 achieved an outstanding lap time!



    Re: Audi R8 - Evo laptime via Jonathan Palmer...

    Autocar interview by Chris Harris with JP at Bedford Autodrome...

    Auotcar_Chris-Harris_interview_J-Palmer_link



    Re: Audi R8 - Evo laptime via Jonathan Palmer...

    Let me tell you one thing. I do not belive in that EVO "Wonder lap"... It is simply not possible that Gallardo SL is just 0.3s faster then R8 around Bedford.
    And current "Help" from some F1 driver is also not neccessery IMHO...

    Re: Audi R8 - Evo laptime via Jonathan Palmer...

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Let me tell you one thing. I do not belive in that EVO "Wonder lap"... It is simply not possible that Gallardo SL is just 0.3s faster then R8 around Bedford.
    And current "Help" from some F1 driver is also not neccessery IMHO...



    So the R8 was not a standand v8 with 420hp.... ???

    Re: Audi R8 - Evo laptime via Jonathan Palmer...

    It was. But, this example was very healty... This is not extremly important around Bedford...
    IMHO this "Wonder Lap" is once-in-a-lifetime-achivement.

     
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