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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Tim:

    Ferrari really dropped the ball with the design of the F8 - this is one fugly car IMO. 

    Also in real live Smiley The rear is hideous. I could never buy it, just the nav/media system and the other controls. It is an Italian car with all its ups and downs SmileyBut, at least it seems to deliver the promised power of 720hp Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioTaVBVdtCs

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:
    Tim:

    Ferrari really dropped the ball with the design of the F8 - this is one fugly car IMO. 

    Also in real live Smiley The rear is hideous. I could never buy it, just the nav/media system and the other controls. It is an Italian car with all its ups and downs SmileyBut, at least it seems to deliver the promised power of 720hp Smiley

    I’m biased since I’m buying something else, but I have also been quietly disturbed about the rear and the aero ‘cutout’ in the front for the F8. The shape of the mesh inserts at the shape is especially awkward to me. 458 Speciale Is still the best.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    mcdelaug:
    MKSGR:
    Tim:

    Ferrari really dropped the ball with the design of the F8 - this is one fugly car IMO. 

    Also in real live Smiley The rear is hideous. I could never buy it, just the nav/media system and the other controls. It is an Italian car with all its ups and downs SmileyBut, at least it seems to deliver the promised power of 720hp Smiley

    I’m biased since I’m buying something else, but I have also been quietly disturbed about the rear and the aero ‘cutout’ in the front for the F8. The shape of the mesh inserts at the shape is especially awkward to me. 458 Speciale Is still the best.

    The F8 reminds me a bit of the 512M in the 90s - when they kind of damaged the beautiful design of the Testarossa/512TR with a questionable Facelift Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Yes! Technically improved, but the styling was ‘corrupted’ in a way - you’re exactly right.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:

    Seems like the F8 has the full 720hp as it gains on the turbo above 200kph. Seems as quick as the 720s.

    Nope, the 720S still outruns the F8 at higher speeds (over 220 kph), we tried(!), which makes me wonder how much power the 720S engine actually has... I know that McLaren owners often claim that it has the 720 hp McLaren says but most dyno tests has unveiled something different. It will be interesting to see how much power the 765LT has...in real life.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Seems like the F8 has the full 720hp as it gains on the turbo above 200kph. Seems as quick as the 720s.

    Nope, the 720S still outruns the F8 at higher speeds (over 220 kph), we tried(!), which makes me wonder how much power the 720S engine actually has... I know that McLaren owners often claim that it has the 720 hp McLaren says but most dyno tests has unveiled something different. It will be interesting to see how much power the 765LT has...in real life.

    The 720S has.............720PS, I have about 8 separate tests done on different cars in different parts of the world on the super accurate Maha MSR500 chassis dyno, I've pasted two below and like I said I've got copies of quite a few more all bang on the 720PS mark.

    Unfortunately most other chassis dynos are just not good at giving real engine dyno equivalent accurate numbers. One of the reasons the 720S is so fast is the shape of the power curve it has over 720PS from 6500 to 8000 rpm this gives much more acceleration than for example the GT2RS whose power curve literally rises in a 45 degree angle up to 700PS so has much less power under the curve.


     


    The 765LT will be a lot quicker and again everyone will claim more power because.....look at the area under the curve, Smiley

     

     

     

    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2018 McLaren 720S 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Seems like the F8 has the full 720hp as it gains on the turbo above 200kph. Seems as quick as the 720s.

    Nope, the 720S still outruns the F8 at higher speeds (over 220 kph), we tried(!), which makes me wonder how much power the 720S engine actually has... I know that McLaren owners often claim that it has the 720 hp McLaren says but most dyno tests has unveiled something different. It will be interesting to see how much power the 765LT has...in real life.

    It also seems that in this video the F8 was in favor because of a very bad launch of the 992, BTW. Much slower than in all other videos available... Maybe they wanted to promote the F8 Smiley 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    We have two 720S in our regular driving group and there is no way they have 720 hp only, unless all other cars have less than the manufacturer claims. Smiley Smiley Over 200 kph, none of the other cars can keep up, including a 488 Pista(!) or the GT2 RS. At higher speeds on the Autobahn, the 720S is basically unbeatable above 200-220 kph.

    It is possible that the other cars reduce boost pressure at certain speeds for various reasons (thermodynamics, whatever) but overall, the 720S is very fast on the Autobahn.

    I think we discussed this before. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Could this be due to superior aerodynamics rather than HP advantage?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    reginos:

    Could this be due to superior aerodynamics rather than HP advantage?

    Maybe but the 720S is really a monster above 200 kph...unbelievable. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    I didn't read the first line and assumed these were the numbers of the new Turbo S. I thought to myself, damn, this car is quick. indecision

    Now I see it's for the 720S and everything comes into perspective.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Same indecision


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Curious what the 765LT will put down, think journos are testing this week.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    If it (765lt) doesn't destroy everything out there I will be shocked


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Porker:

    Curious what the 765LT will put down, think journos are testing this week.

    A guy who ordered one has been told at an event that the 765LT puts down at least 45 hp more than the 720S and this claim came with a wink. Smiley I have no doubt that the 765LT will be even a faster monster. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    To put the 720S performance into perspective:

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    Huracan Performante

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    From 0-260 kph, the 720S is over 4 seconds faster, very impressive.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    Porker:

    Curious what the 765LT will put down, think journos are testing this week.

    A guy who ordered one has been told at an event that the 765LT puts down at least 45 hp more than the 720S and this claim came with a wink. Smiley I have no doubt that the 765LT will be even a faster monster. 

    I wonder what tolerance manufacturers are allowed for the homologated power output numbers...... the old 5% tolerance could mean over 800PS Smiley

    I personally think the accurately measured (Maha MSR500) power will be right around the 765PS mark but of course that huge area under the curve which on a turbo car means a very thermodynamically efficient engine in comparison to say the Porsche GT2RS offering which is at its limits (hence the water spray)....I actually posted this a couple of years ago Smiley

    https://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?postId=422442618


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2018 McLaren 720S 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:

    To put the 720S performance into perspective:

    68sdlH5.jpg

     

    Huracan Performante

    2020-09-23_12-32-04.jpg

     

    From 0-260 kph, the 720S is over 4 seconds faster, very impressive.


    Damn, this Performante is slow as a snail... Smiley


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    We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Rossi:


    Damn, this Performante is slow as a snail... Smiley

    It has its ups and downs Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    TB993tt:
     

    I wonder what tolerance manufacturers are allowed for the homologated power output numbers...... the old 5% tolerance could mean over 800PS Smiley

    +/- 5% tolerance Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    I wonder if McLaren shouldn't go into the SUV business. 

    Just imagine a "light weight" SUV with let's say 1.8 to 2.0 tons and the 765LT engine. indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zFj4aco3_I

     

    Mods:
    GTT/Deikin catless downpipes
    GTT/EKarlov stage 2 software
    Regular gas
    Street tyres
    800 hp / 1050 Nm
    1/4 mile: 9.562 sec. / 229.95 km/h

     

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xdOc-HNx3k


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    How long will this engine last with 800 hp? Smiley Smiley

    Also, the AWD drivetrain, incl. gearbox, is not made for this kind of torque. Over 1000 Nm is just killing the hardware.
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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEnuqxAllg

     

    They corrected the results of their older video posted above. Apparently, they had not used launch control to achieve the best times for the 992 turbo s before, now they did:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xdOc-HNx3k

    F8 is a bit quicker from 220kph upwards. At the end of the video they also test the 720s and, indeed, the 720s is quicker than 992 and Ferrari F8 above 200kph.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    All these "drag races" are worthless at current temperatures because it is too cold.

    We did some comparison testing yesterday, to compare my new Performance Box Touch with Dragy and it all went really wrong when we realized that an asphalt temperature of around 10-12°C isn't too good for our tires.

    Only my GLC63S performed OK in this environment (see photo), there was barely slip (yes, even here there was) but my Performante did 0-100 kph in 3.4 seconds with launch control, last Performance Box (old) and Dragy results in summer were 2.8 sec in average (best was 2.7). Rear tires barely caught traction, 720S wasn't much better, he did 0-100 kph in same 3.4 seconds. yes

    Also found out that the new Performance Box Touch is not suitable for the GLC63S without external satellite antenna. The device didn't have a proper satellite reception to finish a run, so I guess my GLC has one of those athermic windshields, blocking the satellite signal. Thank god the car has an built-in AMG drag timer. 

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    We also tried 100 to 200 kph but it was impossible, way too much traffic. 

    Well, at least now I know for sure that I am faster than a friend's Murcielago.  

    We lost yesterday over three hours trying to get some proper comparison results but it was impossible (temperature and traffic).

    I guess we need to wait until next summer. yes

    pfbt1.jpg


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes GLC63 S AMG (2020), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Just curious RC, what is the usual "go into storage" date for your fun cars?  I know they have mostly been AWD, but never got the impression you were much of a fan of winter sports car driving....


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