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    Re: 992 GT3

    Yes of course, it is a really great car! If any other manufacturer was having such a car in its lineup it would simply be the best! I would love to own one (I am only 23 and still studying so I'll have to wait..Smiley), but for the moment I am going to try to have it lent by Porsche Press in France for a couple of days, so I can get an idea of what this car is really about! 

    Btw your Touring is an absolute gem... Congratulations! I would sometimes sleep in my garage with a spec like yours! 


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    Ahaha thank you! This is how I felt when driving this car! Indeed, Crayon is a really nice colour I think!

    Btw, being a newbie on this forum, what is the difference between "Reply" and "Quote"?


    Re: 992 GT3

    HugoF:

    Ahaha thank you! This is how I felt when driving this car! Indeed, Crayon is a really nice colour I think!

    Btw, being a newbie on this forum, what is the difference between "Reply" and "Quote"?

    Quote includes the prior message to which you are replying (like above) and Reply does not include the prior message.


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    During the Industry Pool I have filmed the all new Porsche 992 GT3, which has been tweaked by Manthey Racing and pushing/testing hard on track.


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    Looks really quick.  Wonder when we'll see the Ring time and price (very expensive).  BTW, you can buy similar forged Aluminum alloy wheels called BBS FI-R EVO (MR are not Mag this time), but they are slightly different design for about $12k...

    https://www.manthey-racing.de/en/performance-kit-for-the-porsche-911-gt3-992


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    22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


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    Yep, thanks! Looks even better in the flesh IMO, but i’m biased! 😀

    Btw. saw a 992 Gt3 touring today at Locarno airport in a beautiful blue (seemed PTS) with ZH number plate, looked gorgeous too! 


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    Let me add two pics given tha t you seem to enjoy it! 😀🤗

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    Oh wow, gorgeous kiss


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    That color combo...WAUV 


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    Oh boy, what an ugly color !!! Smiley ... I dooooooooooooooooo like it a lot, classy Smiley


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    turbolite:

    Let me add two pics given tha t you seem to enjoy it! 😀🤗

    4D20765A-4038-4741-A66E-67A5AC908855.jpeg
    DABA7921-A17C-466A-870A-26892AACA048.jpeg

    Absolutely stunning!!!Smiley


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    That is gorgeous Smiley

    Rridiculous Porsche UK has turned new GT Porsche cars into some weird asset class where only clever car dealer types are able to get them I quite resent Porsche for allowing this to happen, my 997GT2 has just had a big 70K mile service, I guarantee you not one single 991/992 GT Porsche will ever reach this number in the UK 


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    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


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    That is a great looking car ! 


    Re: 992 GT3

    TB993tt:

    That is gorgeous Smiley

    Rridiculous Porsche UK has turned new GT Porsche cars into some weird asset class where only clever car dealer types are able to get them I quite resent Porsche for allowing this to happen, my 997GT2 has just had a big 70K mile service, I guarantee you not one single 991/992 GT Porsche will ever reach this number in the UK 


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.

    My 997 turbo is at 120k miles.  My daily driver for years with many more miles to come. Actually all of the 911 I have owned over the years (8) all had way more than 120k miles when I sold them. My 2005 997 had over 200k and original pads on the PCCB.   Why let them sit around?  


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    Leawood911:
    TB993tt:

    That is gorgeous Smiley

    Rridiculous Porsche UK has turned new GT Porsche cars into some weird asset class where only clever car dealer types are able to get them I quite resent Porsche for allowing this to happen, my 997GT2 has just had a big 70K mile service, I guarantee you not one single 991/992 GT Porsche will ever reach this number in the UK 


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.

    My 997 turbo is at 120k miles.  My daily driver for years with many more miles to come. Actually all of the 911 I have owned over the years (8) all had way more than 120k miles when I sold them. My 2005 997 had over 200k and original pads on the PCCB.   Why let them sit around?  

    Because these people are buying the GT products for some free or profitable motoring and any more than a few K miles will eat into their business model.


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


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    perfect looking car....excellent colour choice


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    Well you can look at these types of buyers in a positive way. They buy the car, take the depreciation hit, and then after a year or so make the low mileage cars available for others to buy at a lower cost. In the US, there are many late model GT3s available.


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    Wonderbar:

    Well you can look at these types of buyers in a positive way. They buy the car, take the depreciation hit, and then after a year or so make the low mileage cars available for others to buy at a lower cost. In the US, there are many late model GT3s available.

    Because Porsche UK only allow extremely limited supply, as little as one GT model per dealer, there is no depreciation hit in fact at the moment it is the opposite 992GT3s are up for sale with a few thousand miles at £230-£250K Smiley


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


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    Wonderbar:

    Well you can look at these types of buyers in a positive way. They buy the car, take the depreciation hit, and then after a year or so make the low mileage cars available for others to buy at a lower cost. In the US, there are many late model GT3s available.

    Except there is no depreciation hit!!!


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    996FourEss:
    Wonderbar:

    Well you can look at these types of buyers in a positive way. They buy the car, take the depreciation hit, and then after a year or so make the low mileage cars available for others to buy at a lower cost. In the US, there are many late model GT3s available.

    Except there is no depreciation hit!!!

    Else they would allow the wheels to roll a bit. I promise I would drive it like I stole it. 


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    TB993tt:
    Wonderbar:

    Well you can look at these types of buyers in a positive way. They buy the car, take the depreciation hit, and then after a year or so make the low mileage cars available for others to buy at a lower cost. In the US, there are many late model GT3s available.

    Because Porsche UK only allow extremely limited supply, as little as one GT model per dealer, there is no depreciation hit in fact at the moment it is the opposite 992GT3s are up for sale with a few thousand miles at £230-£250K Smiley

    You sure it's Porsche UK behind this?  My theory is that it's due to the comparatively lower list prices in the UK.  A GT3 in Germany lists at 175.8k EUR.  In the UK, it's 131.5k GBP = 157.7k EUR.  Same tax rates.  Why would you send more cars to the UK if you can sell them into other markets for more money?


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    Its a ridiculous situation and its not just the Porsche GT product anymore its everything.

    In NZ the GR Yaris sells on the secondary market for 20%+ more than it costs to buy new. Even my 5 year old Giulia QV seems to have appreciated 20-30% over the last few years. 

    Im pretty certain this is all about to come to an end with inflation. Quite honestly Id be happy for the cars I love to stop being an "asset class". Im all into using them not buying them as "investments". Silly me!


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    I think the situation is quite complicated.  Covid caused weak demand, which then affected production, Then the sinking of the Felicity Ann, and now the war in Ukraine, all raise costs because of low supply and pent up demand. And certainly, to some people, rising costs have no effect. The inflated costs mean nothing. But, as supply increases demand will be satisfied, and the prices will drop. At that point depreciation will hit hard. Buyers who pay 225,000 for a GT3 will take a huge loss as new GT3s come on the market at MSRP or lower.  


    I will admit that the situation benefited me. Back in September my dealer offered me $15,000 to buy me out of my lease. I took him up on it and placed an order for a new GTS. I have to wait until August, but the money and savings are worth it. And my dealer will get me the new car at MSRP, or slightly less.


    Re: 992 GT3

    right hand market is different naturally - there are just much less.


    Re: 992 GT3

    DaveGordon:
    TB993tt:
     

    Because Porsche UK only allow extremely limited supply, as little as one GT model per dealer, there is no depreciation hit in fact at the moment it is the opposite 992GT3s are up for sale with a few thousand miles at £230-£250K Smiley

    You sure it's Porsche UK behind this?  My theory is that it's due to the comparatively lower list prices in the UK.  A GT3 in Germany lists at 175.8k EUR.  In the UK, it's 131.5k GBP = 157.7k EUR.  Same tax rates.  Why would you send more cars to the UK if you can sell them into other markets for more money?

    So you think it is the Parent company doing the restricting because it can make more profit allocating the production slots to more profitable markets ? Yes that seems entirely feasible, what is weird is how the UK came to this situation as many years ago when I first was buying Porsche cars they were much more expensive in the UK than the rest of Europe, when the Euro came along there seemed to be rabid inflation in Euro denominated Porsches which didn't happen in the UK Smiley

     


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


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    Wonderbar:

    I think the situation is quite complicated.  Covid caused weak demand, which then affected production, Then the sinking of the Felicity Ann, and now the war in Ukraine, all raise costs because of low supply and pent up demand. And certainly, to some people, rising costs have no effect. The inflated costs mean nothing. But, as supply increases demand will be satisfied, and the prices will drop. At that point depreciation will hit hard. Buyers who pay 225,000 for a GT3 will take a huge loss as new GT3s come on the market at MSRP or lower.  


    I will admit that the situation benefited me. Back in September my dealer offered me $15,000 to buy me out of my lease. I took him up on it and placed an order for a new GTS. I have to wait until August, but the money and savings are worth it. And my dealer will get me the new car at MSRP, or slightly less.

    It makes me wonder what sort of buyer would pay these £230-250K prices I think you would only pay this if you truly believed that the 992GT3 because of the heavily restricted supply will forever be a limited collector car, the 991GT2RS seems to have gained that mantle in the UK, they come on the market for £360K+ mostly driven very little and they do seem to change hands at these prices.....real shame for people who would like to actually enjoy the driving experience Smiley


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


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    TB993tt:
    Wonderbar:

    I think the situation is quite complicated.  Covid caused weak demand, which then affected production, Then the sinking of the Felicity Ann, and now the war in Ukraine, all raise costs because of low supply and pent up demand. And certainly, to some people, rising costs have no effect. The inflated costs mean nothing. But, as supply increases demand will be satisfied, and the prices will drop. At that point depreciation will hit hard. Buyers who pay 225,000 for a GT3 will take a huge loss as new GT3s come on the market at MSRP or lower.  


    I will admit that the situation benefited me. Back in September my dealer offered me $15,000 to buy me out of my lease. I took him up on it and placed an order for a new GTS. I have to wait until August, but the money and savings are worth it. And my dealer will get me the new car at MSRP, or slightly less.

    It makes me wonder what sort of buyer would pay these £230-250K prices I think you would only pay this if you truly believed that the 992GT3 because of the heavily restricted supply will forever be a limited collector car, the 991GT2RS seems to have gained that mantle in the UK, they come on the market for £360K+ mostly driven very little and they do seem to change hands at these prices.....real shame for people who would like to actually enjoy the driving experience Smiley

    You are not alone in your frustration. I have learned to just let it go - Porsche UK/ Porsche UK dealers have lost the plot.


    Re: 992 GT3

    crayphile:
     

    You are not alone in your frustration. I have learned to just let it go - Porsche UK/ Porsche UK dealers have lost the plot.

    I've pretty much let it go but it's good to have  a rant on here Smiley


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


    Re: 992 GT3

    turbolite:

    Let me add two pics given tha t you seem to enjoy it! 😀🤗

    4D20765A-4038-4741-A66E-67A5AC908855.jpeg
    DABA7921-A17C-466A-870A-26892AACA048.jpeg

    What is the color/color-code for your car???


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    Re: 992 GT3

    TB993tt:
    Wonderbar:

    I think the situation is quite complicated.  Covid caused weak demand, which then affected production, Then the sinking of the Felicity Ann, and now the war in Ukraine, all raise costs because of low supply and pent up demand. And certainly, to some people, rising costs have no effect. The inflated costs mean nothing. But, as supply increases demand will be satisfied, and the prices will drop. At that point depreciation will hit hard. Buyers who pay 225,000 for a GT3 will take a huge loss as new GT3s come on the market at MSRP or lower.  


    I will admit that the situation benefited me. Back in September my dealer offered me $15,000 to buy me out of my lease. I took him up on it and placed an order for a new GTS. I have to wait until August, but the money and savings are worth it. And my dealer will get me the new car at MSRP, or slightly less.

    It makes me wonder what sort of buyer would pay these £230-250K prices I think you would only pay this if you truly believed that the 992GT3 because of the heavily restricted supply will forever be a limited collector car, the 991GT2RS seems to have gained that mantle in the UK, they come on the market for £360K+ mostly driven very little and they do seem to change hands at these prices.....real shame for people who would like to actually enjoy the driving experience Smiley

    Its a curious thing. We in NZ get a large volume per head of capita and income per capita. So far in equivalent terms we have around 350 delivered (i.e. 30 units arrived) with around 280 (i.e. 24) more allocated to arrive for the remainder of this year. So almost 600 units UK equivalent. Frankly speaking anyone can walk into a dealership here and order a GT3 at retail. They may be waiting a year for it but eventually it will arrive!

    Now the interesting part. We pay around 24% more than UK at retail price for our GT3. There are no tarrifs and only a small extra to be paid for freight. Obviously the network is smaller so the pre and post sales infastructure costs have to be amortised but Im guessing thats only accounts for 6-7% of the premium. So someone in the business model is making extra margin. Likely both PAG and the local privately owned distributor!

    This would bear some credence to the arguement that UK scarcity is due to the margins in that market for the size of the market. However the net effect is that people are paying 20-30% very list price on the secondary market for a new car so status quo compared to other markets.

    Infact Porsche are giving away margin in the UK to secondary sales channels. If they increased the volume by 30% and increased the price by 20% they would likely sell more cars AND make more profit. 

    Why dont they just do this now UK is not part of EU? Would those UK buyers complaining of missing out on allocations be OK with paying 20% more at retail if they were assured of a slot? I think so as it all becomes relative and the market value just realigns itself on these cars in the secondary market.

     

    If the price of a base model 992 GT3 became 165k GBP but Porsche imported 1000 units to the UK then the market price would probably start reflecting the original purchase price minus depreciation rather than "plus speculation"....


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