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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Leawood911:

    Wife has a new Honda HRV. Awesome little SUV. $200 lease. 

    If your wife is happy with it... Smiley

    My wife was funny:

    First, she wanted to buy(!) my 991.1 C4 GTS Cab out of the lease, then she decided she needs more space and a less attraction catching car. 

    Then, she said "I want something cheaper, car cost is too high...". Until our financial advisor told her she needs something more expensive (if she enjoys a more expensive car because it is still out of her money...) to lower her tax payments because she doesn't "spend" enough for her business. Smiley

    So she took that C63 S AMG Cab test-drive (though I really had to force her because she liked the Diesel she drove in Mallorca after the previous C63 Cab was damaged by another driver) and now she is in love with the AMG. Reason? She said "this car is so nervous...like me..." Smiley Not sure this is a good thing, especially in rain but the ESP seems to work OK for her, so no problem.

    For my wife, the car is part of her image, she doesn't really enjoy driving it...usually. I guess this is valid for many women. Smiley

    One of her best friends drives a used Mini Cooper. She is 50 but very obsessed with fitness stuff and her looks (sound familiar? Smiley Smiley). That Mini cost her only 11k (used) and is not really a nice car to drive (smallest 4-cyl. fuel engine available at that time) but she drives it because she thinks this car makes her look...younger. Smiley Smiley

    Women...you have to love them. Smiley


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    RC:
    Leawood911:

    Wife has a new Honda HRV. Awesome little SUV. $200 lease. 

    If your wife is happy with it... Smiley

    My wife was funny:

    First, she wanted to buy(!) my 991.1 C4 GTS Cab out of the lease, then she decided she needs more space and a less attraction catching car. 

    Then, she said "I want something cheaper, car cost is too high...". Until our financial advisor told her she needs something more expensive (if she enjoys a more expensive car because it is still out of her money...) to lower her tax payments because she doesn't "spend" enough for her business. Smiley

    So she took that C63 S AMG Cab test-drive (though I really had to force her because she liked the Diesel she drove in Mallorca after the previous C63 Cab was damaged by another driver) and now she is in love with the AMG. Reason? She said "this car is so nervous...like me..." Smiley Not sure this is a good thing, especially in rain but the ESP seems to work OK for her, so no problem.

    For my wife, the car is part of her image, she doesn't really enjoy driving it...usually. I guess this is valid for many women. Smiley

    One of her best friends drives a used Mini Cooper. She is 50 but very obsessed with fitness stuff and her looks (sound familiar? Smiley Smiley). That Mini cost her only 11k (used) and is not really a nice car to drive (smallest 4-cyl. fuel engine available at that time) but she drives it because she thinks this car makes her look...younger. Smiley Smiley

    Women...you have to love them. Smiley

     

    I understand that people dont see the value or reason in buying expensive cars. You must have oil and petrol in your blood to spend thousands of Euros monthly into your cars. So - it is up to everyone self what to do with their money. 

    And - I understand that your wife says the C63 is to nervous. It can be very tiring driving such toys ;)

     


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    It is actually pretty funny that my wife likes the C63 because it is nervous.  Actually, this is what I do not like that much about the car...and that too comfy chassis setup (it misses that "Knackigkeit", that directness from other real sportscars, you know what I mean).

    Speaking of not paying so much for cars: I picked up my Mini JCW from service yesterday and there was that black BMW 240i X-drive (the Coupe) in the showroom, smiling at me. Talked to the sales guy, car is fully loaded, lease would be only slightly over 500 EUR (we negotiated and he dropped from 600 to 550 but I'm sure I would have gotten him to 500 or close to it) per month without any initial payment. I was very tempted, a 340 hp engine in such a small package plus AWD. If I didn't have the Mini, I would have signed the contract on the spot.

    Even today, I was thinking of getting it instead of the GLC63 but my wife would kill me...we need a small SUV, not another coupe or whatever. Smiley


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    I know exactly what you are talking about. The C43 is fun but more comfortable than Sporty. On longer drives and town to town it is a lot of fun. In the city however I sometimes misses that sharpness not only from the chassis but also from the engine. The Turbo lack is sometimes there - in example if you are in town and drive through the neighborhood where you have to slow down on every street to the right. You let the car roll then accelerate again - that moment the car always have a second delay which kind of sucks. I installed a pedal optimizer which gives it a bit more sharpness in those moments. However - the Chassis is like it is. 

    Stay off that 240ix - it will be the same like the C43/63. It is also not a Mini. The Mini is super fun because of its "Knackigkeit" - you cant find that in another compact car.


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Lars997:

    I know exactly what you are talking about. The C43 is fun but more comfortable than Sporty. On longer drives and town to town it is a lot of fun. In the city however I sometimes misses that sharpness not only from the chassis but also from the engine. The Turbo lack is sometimes there - in example if you are in town and drive through the neighborhood where you have to slow down on every street to the right. You let the car roll then accelerate again - that moment the car always have a second delay which kind of sucks. I installed a pedal optimizer which gives it a bit more sharpness in those moments. However - the Chassis is like it is. 

    Stay off that 240ix - it will be the same like the C43/63. It is also not a Mini. The Mini is super fun because of its "Knackigkeit" - you cant find that in another compact car.

    True but the traction issues drive me crazy... A Mini with 231 hp should have AWD.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Just get the 180ho version angry


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    SciFrog:

    Just get the 180ho version angry

    Smiley Smiley Nope. The Mini JCW is most fun on...the Autobahn. It surprises people and I love it. Feels a bit unstable in narrow curves though...at over 250 kph (speedo). Smiley Smiley

    I also enjoy the car in the city (downtown) when I have to park somewhere. Other than that, no way I am getting a Mini again. Smiley


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    OK, guys. Drove the new E63 S AMG 4matic today, in that well known selenite grey magno everyone seems to know and love (matte metallic grey).

    Surprisingly, my wife liked the car (though she is not a Mercedes fan, she doesn't really like sedans and she definitely doesn't like the E class), which surprised both of us.

    Not only that, I actually liked the new E63 S AMG as well but only in this color. They also had a black one, which looked very unspectacular and...boring.

    Now this got me thinking: The interior, especially that cockpit, is very nice, the displays are big and very clear to rear. Comfort is great as well, ride can be a bit bumpy but I love that. Engine is a monster, sound is good (not as good as on the C63 though, it sounds a bit higher pitched, not perfect and not that much V8 muscle car like but acceptable.

    Steering and chassis are excellent, especially in the various sport modes, AWD system is amazing as well, haven't tried the drift mode yet.

    Overall, a very nice car and it got me thinking: It is faster than the GLC, it has some pretty nice interior and my wife likes it too. Now I am thinking about getting this one instead of the GLC and dealer already said he could maybe get me an Edition 1. Only problem is: This car is 151k EUR, the GLC 63 S AMG is 136k EUR. Meaning: Not sure if I am getting the same lease deal for this one (E63), it could be more expensive. Since this is a company car, I am on a budget here, so...

    What would you guys do? I had an older E55 before and sold it after only 6 months because it had serious traction issues and I didn't feel like a sedan type of guy. Same with the Panamera Turbo S: Loved it for the driving, had AWD and no traction issues but I always felt old in this car, can't help it.

    Am I going to make the same mistake again? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

    Another (minor) issue: Car has limited luggage room but it is enough for two larger suitcases, so not a real problem here.

    Will have my dealer crunch some numbers next week but I am tempted. 

    Still not 100% convinced though, the GLC 63 S AMG would be really special (smallest SUV with a V8) and it has a bit more luggage room and is safer during winter time. 

    Wife left me the choice (since she needs to switch cars with me in winter time), GLC or E class, no problem. Only no-go is the G63 after she's seen it again today. "Never ever...", she really hates it. yes


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Stay with the GLC 63. It will fulfill your overall demands at best. I really like the E63 for its power and the whole technical package but at the end the appearance of the car is boring imho.

     


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    GLC 63 fits what you better imo.


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    while I personally would prefer the E over the GLC, I tend to be of the opinion that one should always stay with their original choice....


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    You ve done that before , twice. What happened to the :” sorry guys , I am just not a sedan person “ ?


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Gnil:

    You ve done that before , twice. What happened to the :” sorry guys , I am just not a sedan person “ ?

    Thanks, guys. I think you are right. Will stick to the GLC but there is still that "itch"... Smiley Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    151K Euro for an E-Class? LOL. That's one way to piss away money.


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    noone1:

    151K Euro for an E-Class? LOL. That's one way to piss away money.

    136k for a GLC is better? Smiley I lease these cars, don't care about resale value. 

    The E63 really looks nice, different than the normal E class but I have never been a sedan type of guy (none of the sedans I had made me happy for a very long time, not even the Panamera Turbo S), so I guess I know that I should get the GLC 63 as planned.

    Performance is amazing, car is fun to drive, interior looks also very nice and modern (the gadgetry actually attracts me more than the one in the Tesla S I drove, funny...), it sounds nice (but a bit less nice than the C63 for example) and with the right color (selenite grey magno, which is a matte metallic color), it looks really great.

    My wife said I already have the R8 as a fun car and she may be right but I cannot ignore the performance difference between the GLC 63 S AMG and the new E63 S AMG 4matic. From 0-200 kph, the E class is probably almost three seconds faster and I read somewhere that from 0-300 kph, the new E63 needs under 30 seconds, which would be amazing.

    Decisions... Smiley

    I will probably stick to the GLC 63 but the E63 is tempting. Drive it, it will really blow your mind (for a four door sedan).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Get the T and a tune from Brabus to 700HP


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Stick with your original choice, the GLC but try to order it in the E class color you liked so much.


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Get both!


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    I absolutely love the new E63S, I'd get one over a GLC in a heartbeat. But you've confessed your love for SUV's many times already, I think you should stick to that.


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    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    E63 > GLC, period. The wagon even better. Chris Harris' review leaves little doubt about the capabilities of the new Merc.

    Having said that, in your particular case you should stick to the original idea otherwise in 4 months you'll be here complaining about how old you feel driving a car like this haha


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    E63, the GLC AMG 63 looks like a pimped up version of a cheap car. On my last trip in Germany have seen a lot of "normal" GLC's but they look boring. Saw on E 63S this car makes an impression WAW


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    why don't you check out the new M5? looks are much better than the E63.


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Having a choice between SUV (no matter how good it is) and a very good sedan (that E63 certainly is) a sedan is my choice, always.

    If that car can work for you for practical reasons and you already have the nod from your wife then it would be no brainer for me.

    As far as "boring", GLC will bore you faster then the E, no question about it and the E drives so well that it will keep you entertained for much longer time then any SUV would.

    Take the E63 and thank me later.Smiley


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Can't tell that car from the old model.....

    Also, in all independent dyno testings, the new E63S is shown to be seriously underestimated by official numbers, shows around 600hp AT THE WHEELS (670-680 crank).Smiley


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    GLC Christine, my wife will get one too, The AMG version is not boring at all ( look wise )


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    Recently I sat in one in selenite grey magno, looks really impressive.

    The car is stiff & the sport seats do not do it any favors.

    Compared to S63 sedan, real luxury with power to match, facelifted S63 gets the same engine & gearbox.

    Was interested in the E63, not anymore, you really do feel the difference between the E and the S.

     


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    pmarkow:

    why don't you check out the new M5? looks are much better than the E63.

    I like the looks of the new E63 much better but only in that one and only color selenite grey magno. Wouldn't take any other color. The M5 looks even more than a regular 5 series than the E63 looks like a regular E class and don't forget that I live in Bavaria, where there is a 5 series sedan or station wagon at basically every street corner. Smiley

    Also, the M5 sounds horrible and yes, I heard it (haven't driven it yet though). Not much difference to the "old" one. The E63 sounds much better but to my surprise less muscle car like than the C63. Smiley Still, good sound.

    Interior loks futuristic, very nice. I didn't like the dash from photos but live, it looks amazing. Very nice.

    Dealer is crunching numbers, just for kicks, will know later the day if it will be cheaper than the GLC (I highly doubt it since the GLC is 136k and the configured E63 is 151k).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 2018 E63 from AMG is back

    JR-550:

    E63, the GLC AMG 63 looks like a pimped up version of a cheap car. On my last trip in Germany have seen a lot of "normal" GLC's but they look boring. Saw on E 63S this car makes an impression WAW

    I agree, the regular GLC looks boring. The GLC 63 AMG looks different though. I have seen it live only once at my dealership when a Mercedes guy was there (only looked at the exterior though and car was white) but it definitely looks better than the regular one. Especially the front is nice (Panamericana grille) but also the wider rear (it looks really "massive" from the rear), which is probably related to the usage of the E63 rear axle in the GLC.

    Me and my wife are 80% for the GLC but the E63 made us thinking...so we will take one for a test-drive again, so my wife can drive it too.

    I have to admit though that I will think this through this time and will not rush into things, only because the E63 is faster and/or sportier. 

    Btw: The new E63 feels sportier than the C63, Mercedes has apparently tweaked the steering, feels great.


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