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    Re: 992 GT3

    Say it ain’t so

    designed by the corvette teamlaugh


    Re: 992 GT3

    That looks like some extra wide rear fenders.

    Together with some extra wide front fenders.

    The coke bottle look is back.

    Wonder if it's wider tires or they just push the wheels out for wider track.


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    Whoopsy:

    That looks like some extra wide rear fenders.

    Together with some extra wide front fenders.

    The coke bottle look is back.

    Wonder if it's wider tires or they just push the wheels out for wider track.

    You could read tire sizes on some photos.  10mm wider at each corner (275 & 335)


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    It's definately not desirable anymore for the streets


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    BjoernB:

    It's definately not desirable anymore for the streets

    Maybe this boosts sales for the Turbo S.


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    Enmanuel:
    BjoernB:

    It's definately not desirable anymore for the streets

    Maybe this boosts sales for the Turbo S.

    Or desire for the limited special (whether 911ST or 50th Carrera RS, whichever will be an RS under the skin, but Manual and retro body without huge wing).


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    Grant:
    Enmanuel:
    BjoernB:

    It's definately not desirable anymore for the streets

    Maybe this boosts sales for the Turbo S.

    Or desire for the limited special (whether 911ST or 50th Carrera RS, whichever will be an RS under the skin, but Manual and retro body without huge wing).


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    22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

    Even without the rear wing, there's enough aerodynamic appurtenances to make the car look a bit odd on the road.  I guess that's an artifact of trying to maintain the old  911 profile while dramatically increasing aerodynamic, i.e., downforce, efficiency.  However, this might be the last normally aspirated GT models in development.  The 992.2 GT models will probably include some form of hybrid technology.  


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    CGX car nut:
    However, this might be the last normally aspirated GT models in development.  The 992.2 GT models will probably include some form of hybrid technology.  

    This may be the last 3RS without electricity, but my guess is that the 992.2 GT3 will use the NA motor from this 992.1 3RS...


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    22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


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    The bloated look suits the 992 really well, much better than regular GT3. this is going to look crazy in funky color smiley


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    Looking so forward to this. It is an RS - For me it is OK if it looks a bit over the top. Can't see it from the inside.


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    My dealer which I have had a 20 year relationship purchasing 12 new Porsche's  had a change in management recently.

    Yesterday they called to let me know they received two 992GT3's which they spec'd and wanted me to come and view them. They planned to auction them to the highest bidder. They were giving their best customers first crack at bidding on the cars.

    These fully loaded cars would be selling for $120,000 over MSRP. 

    It appears my days of buying Porsche GT cars or any Porsche are over.crying


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    American car dealer network really have some power, they can charge whatever ADM they want. 

    But by the same token they also discount cars that are sitting on the lot too. 

    Porsche really have no control over them. They rely on them heavily to move their cars. While there are no official laws here in Canada forbidding dealers from charging ADMs, Canadian Porsche dealers were told them can't and they listened, just like Ferrari dealers and other high end brands. Domestic dealers however, are a different story. Jeeps, Corvettes, pickups are all free game for dealers to tag on 'market adjustments'. 


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    Nick, your points are well made. Fortunately, I never had an interest in the 992GT3. It looks bloated and frankly unattractive. 

    That said, Porsche can control this if they want to. There are several approaches they could take with their dealers to protect the brand, client base and VIP's. Instead they're letting US dealers run wild seeking short term profits while sacrificing loyal long term clients/customers. 

    I'm only one customer so no big deal. But I suspect there are others that feel the same way.


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    Porsche can jack up the MSRP to take away the 'space' between market price and existing MSRP, but that might work in the short term but long term it's not going to work well, especially if the economy takes a down turn. 

    Porsche wanted to bank on free market, let competition dictates, if one dealer is charging so much, they do have the option of going to another dealer who doesn't. IF, yes that a capital IF, the dealers enters orders into the system properly, Porsche can see where the demands are and adjust allocations. Some dealers naturally sell more cars than others and they get more cars, but if the system shows more demands elsewhere the allocations will shift.

    But dealers don't enter demands into the system properly. They almost always put in bogus information in order to secure more cars. Unless a customer found out and complaint to PCNA, PCNA have no way of knowing. Dealers knows Porsche's tricks and are taking advantage of them. District reps do pay visits to dealers to check for market conditions but they can only do so much. PCNA do take away allocations if they find a dealer doing something wrong however. One more thing is, Porsche do take the surveys seriously. Be it new car sales or servicing. They do read all of them and take action. It's why sometimes a salesman or a dealership representative would ask the customer to fill in perfect scores for them, and to contact them first for any problems before filling in the surveys. The client survey is actually a very powerful tool that can be used against a dealer. Not many knows that or even taken the time to fill those in.

    But at the end of the day, American car dealers got Congress behind tier back with lobbying, look at how hard they fought Tesla. 


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    When the economy turns down, the same dealers will come begging for customers with discounts in hand.  It will happen eventually (but I don’t know how soon)…


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    Grant, I agree. For now, imagine paying close to $350,000 for a Porsche 992GT3 before taxes.mail


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    Those same dealers are charging $100,000 ADM on a GT4RS right now.mail


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    Whoopsy:

    Those same dealers are charging $100,000 ADM on a GT4RS right now.mail

    That's jaw-dropping. Especially for a car that apparently won't be limited in number (just time). People are nuts. Smiley


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    Not sure if this outrageous mark up stuff applies to all dealers in the US. Was just with a guy at a race event who had a new GT3  that he got from a dealer at MSRP.  He said he put a deposit down two years ago. 


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    There are currently 192 Porsche dealers in the USA, of course not all of them are bad. 

    Since in the US one can buy from out of state dealers, Porsche had intended customers to find the good ones and in their system those good ones will be rewarded. 

    It might take a bit of work in order to call/contact all of them, but last I check, there aren't free lunch in a capitalism world.  No one is entitled to anything, everything has to be earned. 

     


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    Single dealers with a more friendly , personal approach are dying.

    Dealers are now usually owned by bigger groups.These groups bring in new hungry managers that have to show results. Those guys do not have any particular ties to Porsche, they are just good manager and it could be any product. They are in competition with the other dealers within the same group. Their aim is to make the most profit possible to get their bonus, impress the owners, climb the ladder. They will use any trick they can find to make more cash. Short term goals.

    In Switzerland dealers are not allowed to sell over MSRP. It has been mentioned that with the GT4RS some have asked customers to also buy the watch in order to get an allocation.

    To get the GT4RS, a dealer around here has set up a new way. He asks clients to put in their order. Once all orders in, he will give the allocations to the ones who have chosen the maximum of options. So if you don't order WP and other goodies, there is no way you get one. 

    These kind of practices work very well in short term, the board will be happy with the financial results. But they damage client relationships, making ordering a car a very unpleasant experience.  Wonder what will pay off long term....


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    Dealer is profit center. they will look at quarter sales and yearly sales. Selling a GT4 or a cow is not important as long as they show growth and profit... Porsche could have an image issue but dealer will act as take it or leave it answer.


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    Re: 992 GT3

    nberry:

    Nick, your points are well made. Fortunately, I never had an interest in the 992GT3. It looks bloated and frankly unattractive. 

    That said, Porsche can control this if they want to. There are several approaches they could take with their dealers to protect the brand, client base and VIP's. Instead they're letting US dealers run wild seeking short term profits while sacrificing loyal long term clients/customers. 

    I'm only one customer so no big deal. But I suspect there are others that feel the same way.

    I’m with you. I don’t care if they try to make as much money as possible. I just always thought the list I have been on for a gt3 since the 996 is a joke. Obviously they only get a couple cars per year but they claim the list is real and everyone just needs to wait their turn.  They don’t tell you at all that most their cars go to people not on the list. So it is a joke and we all know it. The people getting the cars are the ones paying the extra $100k.  These are the type of relationships you have with hookers for sex.  Money talks. 
    Having owned Porsches for 40 years and almost a million miles means nothing to the dealer, maybe to Porsche. 


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    Leawood911:
     

    I’m with you. I don’t care if they try to make as much money as possible. I just always thought the list I have been on for a gt3 since the 996 is a joke. Obviously they only get a couple cars per year but they claim the list is real and everyone just needs to wait their turn.  They don’t tell you at all that most their cars go to people not on the list. So it is a joke and we all know it. The people getting the cars are the ones paying the extra $100k.  These are the type of relationships you have with hookers for sex.  Money talks. 
    Having owned Porsches for 40 years and almost a million miles means nothing to the dealer, maybe to Porsche. 

    Mike, it is time that you start bringing some chocolates to your dealer, flowers to his wife, donate into their child's school fund, get them some very special champagne for christmas,  and make sure you pay for their thanksgiving turkey too  Smiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    In Russia the situation with the dealers is the same, more over our dealers change the price after the agreement. Very high demand in the field of fictional and artificially made semiconductors deficit


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Gnil:

    But they damage client relationships, making ordering a car a very unpleasant experience.  Wonder what will pay off long term..d

     

    Buying cars like these should be a great experience. Now it is the opposite. You are not a customer anymore. Just something that gives the dealer some money. Frustrating with GT cars being "given" away to people who don't use the car/not interested in using them. 

    That said: My dealer has now been bought by a bigger car company (with a lot of other brands) and the contact I had is now gone.
    Basically no one that worked at my dealer stayed.

    So: No new car for me as I'm not interested in anything else but GT-cars.


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    Kobalt:

    Buying cars like these should be a great experience. Now it is the opposite. You are not a customer anymore. Just something that gives the dealer some money. Frustrating with GT cars being "given" away to people who don't use the car/not interested in using them. 

    That said: My dealer has now been bought by a bigger car company (with a lot of other brands) and the contact I had is now gone.
    Basically no one that worked at my dealer stayed.

    So: No new car for me as I'm not interested in anything else but GT-cars.

    That’s sad to hear Kobalt. If anyone deserves a GT car it’s you.  My dealership recently got rid of all their top sales people over a pay dispute 🙄.  Lost my contact there and told the owner of the dealership what I thought of his position so probably got my last GT car from there.


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    Gnil:

    Single dealers with a more friendly , personal approach are dying.

    Dealers are now usually owned by bigger groups.These groups bring in new hungry managers that have to show results. Those guys do not have any particular ties to Porsche, they are just good manager and it could be any product. They are in competition with the other dealers within the same group. Their aim is to make the most profit possible to get their bonus, impress the owners, climb the ladder. They will use any trick they can find to make more cash. Short term goals.

    In Switzerland dealers are not allowed to sell over MSRP. It has been mentioned that with the GT4RS some have asked customers to also buy the watch in order to get an allocation.

    To get the GT4RS, a dealer around here has set up a new way. He asks clients to put in their order. Once all orders in, he will give the allocations to the ones who have chosen the maximum of options. So if you don't order WP and other goodies, there is no way you get one. 

    These kind of practices work very well in short term, the board will be happy with the financial results. But they damage client relationships, making ordering a car a very unpleasant experience.  Wonder what will pay off long term....


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     964 Carrera 4 /  997.2 C2S -20mm /  991.2 GT3 RS stolen 

     

    Well written. Smiley
     

    What is particularly insulting to those of us that buy Porsche’s regularly is our business generates considerable profit for the dealership. I trade my car in at a fair price and it is sold within 30 days by the dealership at a much higher price. I pay MSRP but my cars are usually heavily optioned because I’m a firm believer that a $250,000 cars should look a feel like one. The cars are serviced exclusively at the dealership and all recommended servicing is done regardless of cost.

    The point is many of us have given the dealer everything they could hope from a car buyer. We have been a cash cow for the dealer. Now I’m told that isn’t enough. Unless Porsche steps in and stops this greed, my message to Porsche is this…SmileySmiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Everyone seems to miss one point. Dealers are getting away with markups because there are customers willing to pay that amount for the car.  Without the demand, prices would adjust downward to meet demand. We know that the real market for high performance cars is relatively small; however, there’s a perception amongst speculators that the apparent market is much larger.  Until that side bursts, dealers will freely add an additional markup.  At this point the abnormal profit either accumulates at the dealers or with the speculators.  


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    Any idea on how many GT4RSs Porsche is planning to build? Will Porsche limit production or stuff the dealers as they did with the last generation?


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