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Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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Luke R said:
not that i can afford either of course! i cant even afford a pizza at uni!!
Well Luke, since you are at the uni, you are heading in the right direction. Unless, of course, you die of starvation before you graduate.Is there anything cheaper than pizza on the menu?
Let's just say that AM's Dr Uli Bez has declared his intention to take sales away from the 911, and he has the pedigree to know what makes a 911 tick, which is a big part of getting a competitor right, and AM's latest products suggest that he is pushing the right buttons.
Healthy competition is a good thing.
Uli Bez made it clear that the reason the DB7 will be successful in taking market share from Porsche is...
EXCLUSIVITY; EXCLUSIVITY; EXCLUSIVITY
Th paraphrase him" The AM will not be mass produced like the Porsche because people paying that kind of money are looking for more in a car than just performance."
I do not the believe the "kid" Porsche owner is discriminating enough to know what that means but they soon find out once the drive off the showroom floor.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
Well Nick,
In a business with such high initial costs (development, tooling) as the auto industry, exclusivity and success are virtually mutually exclusive.
AM cars have always been exclusive, which was always that company's problem. It never earned enough to re-invest in thorough development of new models, and staggered from one crisis to the next until Ford took over.
If AM were to take appreciable market share off Porsche then, by definition, it would have to be at the expense of AM's exclusivity.
I can't comment on your last sentence; I didn't even understand it.
In a business with such high initial costs (development, tooling) as the auto industry, exclusivity and success are virtually mutually exclusive.
AM cars have always been exclusive, which was always that company's problem. It never earned enough to re-invest in thorough development of new models, and staggered from one crisis to the next until Ford took over.
If AM were to take appreciable market share off Porsche then, by definition, it would have to be at the expense of AM's exclusivity.
I can't comment on your last sentence; I didn't even understand it.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
"That kind of money," as you put it, Nick, NEVER means super exclusivity. Why do you think that $85K is enough to make an "exclusive" car? Exclusivity is a function of the price of the car, which is a function of how many cars are made (to recover development costs).
Moreover, exclusivity is a continuum, not a binary determination. Something is not either exclusive or not. It must always be in comparison to something else. A 911 is exclusive compared to a Honda Accord, but it is not compared to a Modena. Now, a Modena is exclusive to a 911, but it is not compared to a Carrera GT. And so on.
But if we were to define a car's exclusivity by some general mark--say, you see one on the road in a large metropolitan area maybe once a month or so--I think you have to go beyond $150K. Obviously, it depends on the market you're talking about (LA is different from Shreveport).
Still, I would say that, if you really want (or need, as your case may be) uber-exclusivity, you have to go beyond $150K. By this definition, then, a 911 is not exclusive. But it doesn't bother me; if I wanted more exclusivity (and if I could afford it), I would move up the price range and get something that costs at least twice as much as my 911.
You are looking for a free lunch, Nick. You want to pay $85K and for people to treat you like you've paid $200K. And you live in California, for Pete's sake (land of the bling bling)! A simple understanding of market forces would reveal to you that that will never happen.
Moreover, exclusivity is a continuum, not a binary determination. Something is not either exclusive or not. It must always be in comparison to something else. A 911 is exclusive compared to a Honda Accord, but it is not compared to a Modena. Now, a Modena is exclusive to a 911, but it is not compared to a Carrera GT. And so on.
But if we were to define a car's exclusivity by some general mark--say, you see one on the road in a large metropolitan area maybe once a month or so--I think you have to go beyond $150K. Obviously, it depends on the market you're talking about (LA is different from Shreveport).
Still, I would say that, if you really want (or need, as your case may be) uber-exclusivity, you have to go beyond $150K. By this definition, then, a 911 is not exclusive. But it doesn't bother me; if I wanted more exclusivity (and if I could afford it), I would move up the price range and get something that costs at least twice as much as my 911.
You are looking for a free lunch, Nick. You want to pay $85K and for people to treat you like you've paid $200K. And you live in California, for Pete's sake (land of the bling bling)! A simple understanding of market forces would reveal to you that that will never happen.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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fritz said:
If AM were to take appreciable market share off Porsche then, by definition, it would have to be at the expense of AM's exclusivity.
I can't comment on your last sentence; I didn't even
understand it.
The quote regarding exclusivity is directly from Bez. He seems to think( as I do) it will differentiate the discriminating buyer from the young purchaser who always lusted after a Porsche and finally has enough to buy one. That buyer doesn't care about anything other than buying a car with the name Porsche on it.
Sixty % of the 996 were first time owners of Porsche. I will wager a great number will not buy another.
Discriminating Porsche buyers will gravitate to AM and hope they can get in on the limited production.
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
Let's not forget that a mass produced AM means 2500 units a year for the U.S. That's only a small percentage of total 911 sales in all of its reiterations. Does that fit the bill of relative exclusivity Nick (as compared to Porsche, perhaps not to Ferrari)?
Re: New Porsche 911 meets Aston Martin AMV8 in Top Gear!
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[ EXCLUSIVITY; EXCLUSIVITY; EXCLUSIVITY
Since when did Ford Mondeo switch gear become exclusive? Probably about the same time as Fiat's did for Ferrari
More seriously, the real difference between the two marques is looks and driving experience. If you are in your forties or above, and your butt is sagging ,and you need big leather seats, and a softer ride with inferior performance in a beautiful looking coupe you by an Aston. If you value pure day to day driving experience, performance, practicality, and reliability, regardless of age you ought to have the have the sense to go for a Porsche.
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