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    Considering a new C2S...

    Looking for your comments... Smiley

     

     Bezeichnung   Nr.   Info   Preis 

    911 Carrera S

     

     

    102.436,00 €

    Außenfarben

     

     

    platinsilbermetallic

    1H

     

    1.178,10 €

    Innenfarben

     

     

    Lederausstattung inkl. Sitze in Naturleder espresso

    NE

     

    4.664,80 €

    Exterieur

     

     

    Elektrisch anklappbare Außenspiegel

    748

     

    297,50 €

    Automatisch abblendende Innen-/Außenspiegel mit integriertem Regensensor

    P13

     

    547,40 €

    Windschutzscheibe mit Graukeil

    567

     

    113,05 €

    ParkAssistent vorne und hinten

    636

     

    940,10 €

    Ohne Modellbezeichnung

    498

     

    0,00 €

    Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)

    603

     

    702,10 €

    Motor, Getriebe und Fahrwerk

     

     

    Sportabgasanlage

    176

     

    2.606,10 €

    Sport Chrono Paket (in Verbindung mit PCM)

    640

     

    2.023,00 €

    Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK)

    250

     

    3.510,50 €

    Räder

     

     

    20-Zoll Carrera Classic Rad

    427

     

    1.071,00 €

    Räderzubehör

     

     

    Reifendruckkontrollsystem (RDK)

    482

     

    642,60 €

    Interieur

     

     

    Tempostat

    454

     

    392,70 €

    Sportsitze Plus (4-Wege elektrisch)

    P05

     

    458,15 €

    Zifferblatt Drehzahlmesser schwarz

    022

     

    0,00 €

    Fußmatten

    810

     

    178,50 €

    Raucherpaket

    583

     

    0,00 €

    Sitzbelüftung

    541

     

    1.059,10 €

    Sitzheizung

    342

     

    470,05 €

    Licht-Design-Paket

    630

     

    440,30 €

    Interieur Leder

     

     

    Porsche Wappen auf Kopfstützen

    XSC

     

    202,30 €

    Lederausstattung in Naturleder

    998

     

    0,00 €

    Mitteltunnel Fond Leder mit Ziernähten

    XHS

     

    821,10 €

    SportDesign Lenkrad

    840

     

    416,50 €

    Blende Mittelkonsole Leder

    XHB

     

    238,00 €

    Interieur Aluminium

     

     

    Interieur-Paket Aluminium gebürstet (mit Lederausstattung/mit PDK)

    EEN

     

    773,50 €

    Audio und Kommunikation

     

     

    Handyvorbereitung

    619

     

    654,50 €

    Porsche Communication Management (PCM) inkl. Navigationsmodul mit Universeller Audio-Schnittstelle

    P23

     

    3.147,55 €

    Gesamtpreis*

     

     

    129.984,50 €

    *inkl. 19% MwSt.

     


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    That would have been my specification too, down to the Black instruments kiss

    Except that I would go for the GT Silver! In spite of the extra cost. It is more suited to a sportscar IMO than the golden undertone Platin. 

    It's good that you avoided the PDCC and the hugely expensive Powerkit.

    BTW do you know the comparative weights of the various wheels. Is the Carrera Classic the heaviest?


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

     

     


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    "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    With the help of Google translate...

     

    Designation Nr. Info Preis
    911 Carrera S     102.436,00 €
           
    Exterior colors      
    Platinum Silver Metallic 1H   1.178,10 €
           
    Interior colors      
    Leather interior including leather seats in espresso natural leather NE   4.664,80 €
           
    Exterior      
    Electrically folding exterior mirrors 748   297,50 €
    Auto-dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor P13   547,40 €
    Windscreen with gray top tint 567   113,05 €
    Front and rear parking assist 636   940,10 €
    Without the model name (just PORSCHE on the rear) 498   0,00 €
    Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) 603   702,10 €
           
    Engine, transmission and chassis      
    Sport exhaust system 176   2.606,10 €
    Sport Chrono package (in conjunction with PCM) 640   2.023,00 €
    Porsche double-clutch gearbox (PDK) 250   3.510,50 €
           
    Wheels      
    20-inch Carrera Classic wheel 427   1.071,00 €
           
    Wheel Accessories      
    Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) 482   642,60 €
           
    Interior      
    Cruise Control 454   392,70 €
    Sports Seats Plus (4-way electric) P05   458,15 €
    Black Tachometer 22   0,00 €
    Floor mats 810   178,50 €
    Smoking package 583   0,00 €
    Seat ventilation 541   1.059,10 €
    Heated 342   470,05 €
    Lighting design package 630   440,30 €
           
    Leather interior      
    Rear center console with leather stitching (Exclusive) XHS   821,10 €
    Porsche crest on headrests (Exclusive) XSC   202,30 €
    Sports steering wheel design 840   416,50 €
    Panel center console Leather (Exclusive) XHB   238,00 €
    Leather interior in natural leather 998   0,00 €
           
    Interior aluminum      
    Brushed aluminum interior package (with leather trim / with PDK) (Exclusive) EEN   773,50 €
           
    Audio and communications      
    Bluetooth (preparation for mobile phone) 619   654,50 €
    Porsche Communication Management (PCM) with navigation module with Universal Audio Interface P23   3.147,55 €
           
    Total price (including 19% VAT)     129.984,50 €

     


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    I would personally go for either -20mm or -20mm/PDCC. It is a must for a sportscar like 991, of course IMHO. I drove both versions of sportsuspension and it is not at too hard, even for daily usage.

    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    KresoF1:
    I would personally go for either -20mm or -20mm/PDCC. It is a must for a sportscar like 991, of course IMHO. I drove both versions of sportsuspension and it is not at too hard, even for daily usage.

    Absolutely correct.

    I just returned from a class at the Porsche Driving School and ALL the instructors I spoke to had nothing but amazing opinions about PDCC especially with the -20mm and SPASM. Anything that helps keep 4 wheels planted on the ground will increase performance and safety. It gives GT3 like performance with the comfort capabilities of a 991. Get it! E reviews about it are mostly by people who have not experienced it fully.


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    Fond memories: 997.2 GT3 - 997.2 C4S PDK - 997 TT - 997.1 C4S


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/911/first-drives/porsche-911-carrera-s-pdcc

    We can all have an opinion about PDCC yes A bit of roll is a good thing and the 991 w/o PDCC is not a Cadillac anyway.

    I suppose Porsche people love it as it adds to the already huge profit per unit produced and indirectly contributes to their salaries.

    The Sport PASM is a good thing to have, if you drive on good roads with smooth surface.

    The key question IMO is where and how the car will be used.

     


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    reginos:

    That would have been my specification too, down to the Black instruments kiss

    +1 Smiley

    If I were to order I would add the -20mm Sport PASM with PDCC. Should be for track driving.

    The Powerkit is tempting, but too expensive. No doubt it makes a big difference in the character and performance, but not for that amount of money.


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    excellent choice of brushed aluminium interior package with leather center console trim, keeping the shiny bits at roughly the same level.

    standard silver trim is prone to finger prints and a little cheap looking.

    I agreed a very acceptable deal with my OPC on Monday (after 1 week's negotiation) on a C2S in white with espresso leather plus lots of bits (including Powerkit, Sport Techno wheels, glass roof, Sports PASM, but no PDCC) but hours before Porsche AG had implemented a block on orders for glass sunroof (essential for me), so deal is kaput can't order a C2S that I want.

    deal would mean OPC taking back my 981S.


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.

    So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
    On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
    The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
    Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".

    For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.

    Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)

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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    C2S only comes with 20" wheels, doesn't it?

    I've read somewhere that Carrera Classic is the heaviest 20" wheel, and Sport Techno, the lightest. Makes sense, latter has 5 spokes, former has many many more.

    Reducing wheel weight improves dynamics and comfort.

    If you want real involvement, get a manual gearbox (35kg lighter too!) 


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Pentium:
    I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.

    So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
    On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
    The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
    Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".

    For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.

    Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)

    My thoughts exactly! Smiley


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Yes, only in 20" but the standard Carrera come with 19" and I could also order it without PASM... so chosing C2S is already pushing it Smiley


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Oh, and I would love to buy a manual 911 instead but I can't keep the car forever... I will need to sell it sometime and around here everybody buys PDK cars...


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Pentium:

    Yes, only in 20" but the standard Carrera come with 19" and I could also order it without PASM... so chosing C2S is already pushing it Smiley

    I've driven the standard Carrera on 19" w/o PASM and its ride and handling were excellent. Why Porsche only offer 20" on the S, I don't know! 


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Front disk brakes on the S are larger so you can't fit 19" wheels...


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Hmm... Are you sure? 991 CS front discs are only 340mm in diameter. Since old 997.2 turbo used 19" wheels with 350mm discs I am pretty sure that Porsche is playing marketing game in 991 CS case.

    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    John H:

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

     

     

    The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.  Smiley

    (Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley)


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Pentium:
    I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.

    So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
    On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
    The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
    Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".

    For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.

    Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)

     

    You know my opinion. In your case, I would get a Cayenne GTS or even the Turbo.

    Perfect cars for the roads there and fun to drive too. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    RC:
    John H:

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

     

     

    The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.  Smiley

    (Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley)

    Something Basil Fawlty would have said indecision


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Pentium:

    Front disk brakes on the S are larger so you can't fit 19" wheels...


    That shouldn´t be a problem since you can order 19" winter tires for the Carrera S as well.

    Other than that, it´s a very nice spec. Some personal comments from me though, as I find the combination to be very classy. What do you think about the exterior colour in white, all other elements (interior, rims) remaining the same? You do prefer the mobile phone connection kit (Handyvorbereitung) over the built-in telephone module? Also a bit surprised that you did not choose Bose or Burmester audio, unless you configure a system on your own.


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    RC:
    John H:

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

    The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.  Smiley

    (Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley)

    Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

    As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!  Smiley 

     

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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    GT3 had 380mm ceramics on 19" wheels, so don't think that is a problem..


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    OK. I stand corrected on the 19" wheels. It seems that I was wrong. Anyway I don't mind a heavier wheel on a daily driver car. They survive potholes better :) compared with my ex-Scuderia's magnesium alloys.

    Yes, RC, you are correct, a Panamera or a Cayenne would be a better choice for my roads but I don't like heavy sporty vehicles.

    Ferdie: I did consider a white exterior as well :) But I really like how the platinum silver looks next to espresso. This silver has a subtle shade of beige in it ;) that is why it goes so well with the espresso interior. And it shows dirt and dust much less than the white.

    I had the telephone module on my previous 911. I don't want to use a SIM card with a car anymore. Ever. And that is the main difference between the two options as far as I know. The external GSM antenna (which I don't know if it has 3G capabilities) works only if you use a SIM card. If you still connect through Bluetooth is the same thing as my option.

    I barely use the sound system in my cars. Really. I would add Bose for the passengers though.

    By the way I still consider adding the Adaptive seats and Bose.

    Thank you guys and please don't stop :)

     


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Well my 0 knowledge of german has come in super handy on this one.   Platinum silver with espresso interior is nearly perfection for me . And maybe just because I have a love for bigger wheels I'd say good choice on the 20" Classics, I think they really tie in the proportions of the car and make it look its best. 

    Oh and I'm going to officially start the nagging for pictures  indecision


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    John H:
    RC:
    John H:

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

    The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.  Smiley

    (Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley)

    Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

    As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!  Smiley 

    'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Pentium:

    I really like how the platinum silver looks next to espresso. This silver has a subtle shade of beige in it ;) that is why it goes so well with the espresso interior. 

    it will look amazing Smiley


    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    Pentium:

    I had the telephone module on my previous 911. I don't want to use a SIM card with a car anymore. Ever. And that is the main difference between the two options as far as I know. The external GSM antenna (which I don't know if it has 3G capabilities) works only if you use a SIM card. If you still connect through Bluetooth is the same thing as my option.


     


    Not quite. With the telephone module the phone is connected via bluetooth  to the car's main aerial for much better reception and less battery drain on the phone.


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    easy_rider911:
    John H:
    RC:
    John H:

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

    The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.  Smiley

    (Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley)

    Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

    As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!  Smiley 

    'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)


    +1 : In my experience dealing with many different nationalities the Danes come closest to the British sense of humour. The genes must be inherited from the rape and pillage days. Smiley


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    Re: Considering a new C2S...

    dreamcar:
    easy_rider911:
    John H:
    RC:
    John H:

    I only know one German word..frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

    The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.  Smiley

    (Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley)

    Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

    As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!  Smiley 

    'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)


    +1 : In my experience dealing with many different nationalities the Danes come closest to the British sense of humour. The genes must be inherited from the rape and pillage days. Smiley

    This isn't so much a matter of differences in humour as the fact that a word which might "look" German to English speakers does not look at all German to German eyes, and I think most Germans trying to make sense of the joke would initially struggle due to tending to break up the syllables as "Di-sals-topp-em-flopp-en", causing them to fall at the first hurdle. 

    Ironically, the real German word for brassiere, "Busenhalter", literally "bosom holder", is probably funnier to English eyes due to its directness than that fake German word is to German eyes.  Smiley

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