Close1:09.5 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 450 PS/1370 kg
1:14.0 - Porsche Cayman S, 320 PS/1406 kg
1:14.3 - Audi TT RS, 340 PS/1480 kg
1:14.3 - Lotus Evora, 280 PS/1404 kg
1:16.1 - BMW Z4SDrive 335is, 340 PS/1599 kg
1:16.3 - VW Scirocce R, 265 PS/1400 kg
1:16.6 - Renaukt Megane RS, 250 PS/1407 kg
1:16.8 - Ford Focus RS, 305 PS/1480 kg
1:17.0 - Seat Cupra R, 265 PS/1427 kg
1:18.0 - Mazda 3 MPS, 260 PS/1469 kg
Mar 20, 2010 11:54:18 AM
Sport Auto -- Hockenheim track times...
1:08.6 min - Porsche Carrera GT
1:09.5 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (450 PS/1370 kg)
1:09.7 min - Porsche 997 GT2
1:09.7 min - Corvette ZR1
1:10.3 min - Ferrari F430 Scuderia
1:10.4 min - Porsche 997 GT3, 435 PS
1:10.8 min - Pagani Zonda F
1:10.9 min - Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
1:11.1 min - Porsche 997 GT3 RS
1:11.3 min - Lamborghini Gallardo LP5604
1:11.6 min - Porsche 911 GT2 (480hp)
1:11.7 min - Porsche 997 GT3
1:11.8 min - KTM XBow
1:11.8 min - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
1:11.8 min - Pagani Zonda S
1:11.8 min - Porsche 996 GT3 RS
1:11.8 min - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:11.9 min - Porsche 997 Turbo
1:12.0 min - Ferrari 599 GTB
1:12.0 min - Lamborghini Murciélago
1:12.2 min - Lamborghini Gallardo SE
1:12.3 min - Lamborghini Gallardo Sypder
1:12.6 min - Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp)
1:12.7 min - Audi R8
1:12.7 min - Ferrari F430
1:13.0 min - Ferrari 360 CS
1:13.2 min - Porsche 911 GT3 (2003)
1:13.4 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (with Cup tyres)
1:13.4 min - Audi R8 Rtronic
1:13.5 min - Ferrari California
1:13.5 min - Aston Martin DBS
1:13.5 min - BMW M3 CSL
1:13.5 min - Mercedes SLR
1:13.7 min - Porsche 997 Turbo
1:13.8 min - Mercedes CLK63 Black Series
1:13.9 min - Porsche 997 Carrera 4S PDK, 385 hp
1:13.9 min - Porsche Cayman S PDK
1:14.3 min - Porsche Carrera S (997)
1:14.3 min - BMW M3 V8 E92
1:14.4 min - Lamborghini Diablo GT
1:14.4 min - BMW M6
1:14.6 min - BMW M3 V8 E90
1:14.6 min - Honda NSXR
1:14.6 min - Porsche 911 Turbo (420hp)
1:14.7 min - Ferrari 575M
1:14.8 min - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
1:14.8 min - Lotus Exige S (221hp)
1:15.1 min - Ferrari 360M
1:15.3 min - Ferrari F355
1:15.8 min - Lexus ISF
1:15.8 min - Audi RS4 (V8)
1:16.1 min - Ferrari 550M
1:16.2 min - Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
KresoF1:
1:09.5 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 450 PS/1370 kg
1:14.0 - Porsche Cayman S, 320 PS/1406 kg
1:14.3 - Audi TT RS, 340 PS/1480 kg
1:14.3 - Lotus Evora, 280 PS/1404 kg
1:16.1 - BMW Z4SDrive 335is, 340 PS/1599 kg
1:16.3 - VW Scirocce R, 265 PS/1400 kg
1:16.6 - Renaukt Megane RS, 250 PS/1407 kg
1:16.8 - Ford Focus RS, 305 PS/1480 kg
1:17.0 - Seat Cupra R, 265 PS/1427 kg
1:18.0 - Mazda 3 MPS, 260 PS/1469 kg
Kreso, many thanks for posting
Do you know whether the GT3 RS was on the new N1 spec Michelin Cup or whether they still used the old N0 specs? Many thanks
Mar 20, 2010 1:39:03 PM
Nice to see that it's signficantly faster than the non-RS this time (0.9 sec). That lower gearing really helps on a track like Hockenheim.
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
Grant:
Nice to see that it's signficantly faster than the non-RS this time (0.9 sec). That lower gearing really helps on a track like Hockenheim.
My theory so far: the tires (switch to N1) bring the lap time down quite a bit. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the magazine yet. Maybe somebody with access to the test could check the tire specs?
1:09.5 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (450 PS/1370 kg) 149.000 Euro
1:10.3 min - Ferrari F430 Scuderia (500+PS/1350kg) 200.000 Euro
Porsche: Less PS, more weight, a lot less money but faster . Explain
reginos:
1:09.5 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (450 PS/1370 kg) 149.000 Euro
1:10.3 min - Ferrari F430 Scuderia (500+PS/1350kg) 200.000 EuroPorsche: Less PS, more weight, a lot less money but faster . Explain
HHR suits the GT3 and the GT2 quite well. The short track in particular. The Scuderia would be more competitive on faster tracks where it can benefit from its F1 gear-box. Also, GT3 and GT2 do have an advantage as the Cup tires are faster than the Corsas (only availble tire for the Scuderia) In essence, the results do follow a certain logic .
MKSGR:
KresoF1:
1:09.5 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 450 PS/1370 kg
1:14.0 - Porsche Cayman S, 320 PS/1406 kg
1:14.3 - Audi TT RS, 340 PS/1480 kg
1:14.3 - Lotus Evora, 280 PS/1404 kg
1:16.1 - BMW Z4SDrive 335is, 340 PS/1599 kg
1:16.3 - VW Scirocce R, 265 PS/1400 kg
1:16.6 - Renaukt Megane RS, 250 PS/1407 kg
1:16.8 - Ford Focus RS, 305 PS/1480 kg
1:17.0 - Seat Cupra R, 265 PS/1427 kg
1:18.0 - Mazda 3 MPS, 260 PS/1469 kg
Kreso, many thanks for posting
Do you know whether the GT3 RS was on the new N1 spec Michelin Cup or whether they still used the old N0 specs? Many thanks
Markus, they only said Michelin Cup.
I guess it is new N1 specs since AFAIK all GT3RS are delivered with them.
WAY:
GT3 RS is 4.5s faster than Cayman S??? WTF? I suppose R-compound tyres account for some 1.5 to 2s perhaps, but that is still a huge margin! What's the spec of the Cayman S? LSD? PDK?
Cayman S is manual with all other goodies(LSD, SC+, 19"). Fastest Cayman S PDK time is 1.13,9min with same Bridgestone tires.
MKSGR:
reginos:
1:09.5 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (450 PS/1370 kg) 149.000 Euro
1:10.3 min - Ferrari F430 Scuderia (500+PS/1350kg) 200.000 EuroPorsche: Less PS, more weight, a lot less money but faster . Explain
HHR suits the GT3 and the GT2 quite well. The short track in particular. The Scuderia would be more competitive on faster tracks where it can benefit from its F1 gear-box. Also, GT3 and GT2 do have an advantage as the Cup tires are faster than the Corsas (only availble tire for the Scuderia)
Absolute true. Cup+ tires in N1 specs are faster then Corsa in R01(Audi R8 specs) for example. Cups are almost 1s faster on HHR when used on R8 V10.
BUT... Personally I am not interested how fast is GT3RS or any GT model with Cup tires. Why? I have my own doubt about their useness on everyday roads.
How about this-how fast is new 997.2 Turbo S with Cup+ N1? Anwser-almost as fast on HHR as 997.2 GT3RS... So, figure it out...
KresoF1:
MKSGR:
KresoF1:
1:09.5 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 450 PS/1370 kg
1:14.0 - Porsche Cayman S, 320 PS/1406 kg
1:14.3 - Audi TT RS, 340 PS/1480 kg
1:14.3 - Lotus Evora, 280 PS/1404 kg
1:16.1 - BMW Z4SDrive 335is, 340 PS/1599 kg
1:16.3 - VW Scirocce R, 265 PS/1400 kg
1:16.6 - Renaukt Megane RS, 250 PS/1407 kg
1:16.8 - Ford Focus RS, 305 PS/1480 kg
1:17.0 - Seat Cupra R, 265 PS/1427 kg
1:18.0 - Mazda 3 MPS, 260 PS/1469 kg
Kreso, many thanks for posting
Do you know whether the GT3 RS was on the new N1 spec Michelin Cup or whether they still used the old N0 specs? Many thanks
Markus, they only said Michelin Cup.
Sounds reasonable BTW, did they not mention the tire specs in the specs section? Usually they state there whether it is N0 or Nx?
Mar 20, 2010 4:59:56 PM
KresoF1:
Markus, I do not have Sport Auto with me at home, I left it in my office. According to my memory it is N1 but, I am not 100% for sure.
The article says "Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2" which makes no sense of course. I'm sure the car was equipped with the N1, as that's the standard for the cars leaving the factory.
From what I've heard the N1 are more sticky than the N0, hence my car got a set of them today 
And yes, Kreso those Semi Slicks are not the best choice for road driving. They are very temp sensitive and you can't get enough heat into them on public roads. Therefore the normal PS2 offer even better grip than the Cups on public road. Of course on the track it's just the other way around 
Damned impressive laptime for the new RS - even a tiny little bit faster than the GT2 
And the airtemp in HHR was ZERO degreees Celsius 
public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
Mar 20, 2010 5:47:58 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
KresoF1:
Markus, I do not have Sport Auto with me at home, I left it in my office. According to my memory it is N1 but, I am not 100% for sure.
The article says "Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2" which makes no sense of course. I'm sure the car was equipped with the N1, as that's the standard for the cars leaving the factory.From what I've heard the N1 are more sticky than the N0, hence my car got a set of them today
And yes, Kreso those Semi Slicks are not the best choice for road driving. They are very temp sensitive and you can't get enough heat into them on public roads. Therefore the normal PS2 offer even better grip than the Cups on public road. Of course on the track it's just the other way around
Damned impressive laptime for the new RS - even a tiny little bit faster than the GT2
And the airtemp in HHR was ZERO degreees Celsius
Many thanks I would be most interested in your personal ranking of N0 and N1 (lap times). I am sure you will do some timed laps with the new tires soon 
P.S.: I agree with your expectations regarding the relative performance of N1 and N0. That's why I belief that the GT2 with N1 tires is faster than the GT3RS... Remember, the GT2 lap time was done on the old N0 spec tires
Mar 20, 2010 8:00:11 PM
MKSGR:
I am sure you will do some timed laps with the new tires soon
You bet 
some inspection laps in the Eifel are planned for tomorrow
I'll let you know about my impressions 
A friend (frequent track driver) just also has equipped his GT2 with the N1s. Will be interesting to hear what he says.
Nice side effect: price for the N1 was the same as for the N0
public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
Mar 20, 2010 8:05:58 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
MKSGR:
I am sure you will do some timed laps with the new tires soon
You betI'll let you know about my impressions
Nice side effect: price for the N1 was the same as for the N0
I can't wait for the results Many thanks in advance
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