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    Re: 488 Replacement

    I see La Ferrari tub in the cabin and A pillars.


    Re: 488 Replacement

    Jean:

    I see La Ferrari tub in the cabin and A pillars.

    Let's hope so Smiley.


    Re: 488 Replacement

    Latest rumors :

    Geneva 2019 - 488 huge facelift interior+exterior - 750 hp .

    First half 2019 - new top of the range mid engine V8 TT hybrid, close to 1000 hp (!)

    Sort of modern F40 , very sporty , new platform.

    End of 2020 :  real 488 replacement, new platform V6 TT hybrid ~ 800 hp 


    Re: 488 Replacement

    JEANTET:

    Latest rumors :

    Geneva 2019 - 488 huge facelift interior+exterior - 750 hp .

    First half 2019 - new top of the range mid engine V8 TT hybrid, close to 1000 hp (!)

    Sort of modern F40 , very sporty , new platform.

    End of 2020 :  real 488 replacement, new platform V6 TT hybrid ~ 800 hp 


    No.1 will be F142MFL
    No.2 will be F173
    No.3 will be F171

    Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Is the rumor about the V6 TT correct? I hope not...


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Porker:

    Is the rumor about the V6 TT correct? I hope not...

    Yep...very correct. Smiley

    Should be high revving engines with mild hybrids, throttle response is rumored to be sensational for a turbo.


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Porker:

    Is the rumor about the V6 TT correct? I hope not...

    Yes, but not for the "facelift".


    Re: 488 Replacement

    crayphile:
    Porker:

    Is the rumor about the V6 TT correct? I hope not...

    Yes, but not for the "facelift".

    Smiley I think Rossi posted a very accurate mode/time frame.


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    RC:
    Porker:

    Is the rumor about the V6 TT correct? I hope not...

    Yep...very correct. Smiley

    Should be high revving engines with mild hybrids, throttle response is rumored to be sensational for a turbo.


    What good for is a sensational throttle response (for a turbo), if you have at least two cylinders too little? Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Rossi:
    RC:
    Porker:

    Is the rumor about the V6 TT correct? I hope not...

    Yep...very correct. Smiley

    Should be high revving engines with mild hybrids, throttle response is rumored to be sensational for a turbo.


    What good for is a sensational throttle response (for a turbo), if you have at least two cylinders too little? Smiley

    Of course it will sound like crap but hey, it will be fast as hell. Very convenient when we get a 120 kph speed limit. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Hi Rossi ,

    Do you believe the 1000bhp F173 rumor ?

    Seems they want to compete with the Mclaren Senna ..

     


    Re: 488 Replacement

    Hi Jeantet,

    I heard that rumour as well.

    Senna has 800hp, Larifari had 963hp, so I guess the F173 will fill somewhere in between. Something like 900hp seems about right to me, but that‘s just my speculation.


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Thanks Rossi ,

    This car will be a monster but a heavy one because of hybridization ( 1650-1700kgs ?)

    Regards


    Re: 488 Replacement

    The HP madness has to end soon. I have 520hp and rarely can I use full throttle. Car enthusiast are going to wake up and say to themselves "Why am I paying for something I cannot use?" Also, for DD the torque and hp will be of little use especially against the new EV cars. They will spank the NA easily. What's left?yes 


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    nberry:

    The HP madness has to end soon. I have 520hp and rarely can I use full throttle. Car enthusiast are going to wake up and say to themselves "Why am I paying for something I cannot use?" Also, for DD the torque and hp will be of little use especially against the new EV cars. They will spank the NA easily. What's left?yes 

    It will end with Euro 7 in Europe... Smiley HP will drop by at least 1/3. Smiley At least these are the predictions from "experts".

    Of course EV manufacturers will take care of this, with new EV power monsters. I can easily see 1000 hp and more EVs after a while, this will be a real challenge for road safety and driver skills. You'll see...once battery tech revolutionizes, we are going to see insane power and performance figures and not only in super expensive hyper cars.
     

    This is actually the "bad" thing about EVs: There is no direct CO2, NOx, etc. output, so manufacturers can actually put a 2000 hp EV on the road and nobody (environmental groups, government, whatever) gives a f.ck.. This is the beauty of electricity...it comes out of the socket Smiley and most people don't ask how it was produced. Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    RC:
     

    It will end with Euro 7 in Europe... Smiley HP will drop by at least 1/3. Smiley At least these are the predictions from "experts".

     

    If they get the hp to 900hp before Euro 7 that would still be fine as we would then go down to 600hp with the new regulations Smiley


    Re: 488 Replacement

    120 SPEED LIMIT IN GERMAY????????????


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    xander71:

    120 SPEED LIMIT IN GERMAY????????????

    Then picking a standard merc-benz would make sense instead of AMG powered cars Smiley


    Re: 488 Replacement

    BiTurbo:
    xander71:

    120 SPEED LIMIT IN GERMAY????????????

    Then picking a standard merc-benz would make sense instead of AMG powered cars Smiley

    Why do you think I'm getting a Performante? This car is even fun when you don't drive at all. Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    I can't wait until they start the permanent speed limit in Germany. It is well time for it. How stupid those private races on public roads. And please - don't even start about "Saturday morning at 6h the streets are empty and it would make sense to go faster" Yes - maybe, but think of 90% of all the other times when people chasing each other and putting innocent drivers into risk. On top of it, it causes delays and traffic jams. 

    Whenever I drive in Switzerland I have an average speed of 110 - this after 3 hours on the highway. When I go 3 hours in Germany I'm happy to achieve an average of 90km/h. This after speeding and racing. 

    Driving fast might be fast but hey - do it like the Americans, do it on the race track. 

     


    Re: 488 Replacement

    Lars997:

    I can't wait until they start the permanent speed limit in Germany. It is well time for it. How stupid those private races on public roads. And please - don't even start about "Saturday morning at 6h the streets are empty and it would make sense to go faster" Yes - maybe, but think of 90% of all the other times when people chasing each other and putting innocent drivers into risk. On top of it, it causes delays and traffic jams. 

    Whenever I drive in Switzerland I have an average speed of 110 - this after 3 hours on the highway. When I go 3 hours in Germany I'm happy to achieve an average of 90km/h. This after speeding and racing. 

    Driving fast might be fast but hey - do it like the Americans, do it on the race track. 

     

    No speed limit in Germany...unless the car manufacturers push for it (which could happen once EVs are "pushed"...could take another 3-5 years though).

    The Autobahn is the road with the smallest number of accidents, I really don't understand why you would say that. Smiley The biggest problem on the German Autobahn is not the speed limit but those idiots who pass on the right because they don't have a clue about German traffic laws. Also those who keep driving on the left lane, provoking those in their rear to keep too short of a distance, thus causing "rear-endings" (collisions).

    Those "public races" on public roads usually happen in cities and on deserted country roads, both very dangerous and highly illegal. Not on the Autobahn though. Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Lars997:

    I can't wait until they start the permanent speed limit in Germany. It is well time for it. How stupid those private races on public roads. And please - don't even start about "Saturday morning at 6h the streets are empty and it would make sense to go faster" Yes - maybe, but think of 90% of all the other times when people chasing each other and putting innocent drivers into risk. On top of it, it causes delays and traffic jams. 

    Whenever I drive in Switzerland I have an average speed of 110 - this after 3 hours on the highway. When I go 3 hours in Germany I'm happy to achieve an average of 90km/h. This after speeding and racing. 

    Driving fast might be fast but hey - do it like the Americans, do it on the race track. 

     

    I don't agree, I dread driving in Switzerland, aside from the scenery it is so mind numbingly boring. The only thing that keeps your mind busy is the constant scanning for speed limits and camera's. No give my the autobahn and its traffic jams any day of the week.


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Porker:
    Lars997:

    I can't wait until they start the permanent speed limit in Germany. It is well time for it. How stupid those private races on public roads. And please - don't even start about "Saturday morning at 6h the streets are empty and it would make sense to go faster" Yes - maybe, but think of 90% of all the other times when people chasing each other and putting innocent drivers into risk. On top of it, it causes delays and traffic jams. 

    Whenever I drive in Switzerland I have an average speed of 110 - this after 3 hours on the highway. When I go 3 hours in Germany I'm happy to achieve an average of 90km/h. This after speeding and racing. 

    Driving fast might be fast but hey - do it like the Americans, do it on the race track. 

     

    I don't agree, I dread driving in Switzerland, aside from the scenery it is so mind numbingly boring. The only thing that keeps your mind busy is the constant scanning for speed limits and camera's. No give my the autobahn and its traffic jams any day of the week.

    Smiley Whenever I drive in the US, especially on those long straights (for tens of miles), I almost fall asleep. We play games in the car to keep me awake and vigil. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    hahahah....unfortunatly the future will be speed limits every where...and I also saw that the level of driving have dropped in germany...to many non germans on the autobahn....


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    xander71:

    hahahah....unfortunatly the future will be speed limits every where...and I also saw that the level of driving have dropped in germany...to many non germans on the autobahn....

    Another reason I chose an Italian masterpiece... Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    @Porker / @RC - I say that because it is just tiring to have this stop and go on German Highways. Driving at various speeds just jams up. People are racing and it is exhausting. On top of it, I move slower than in a country with speed limit. Speed limit relaxes and takes aggressions. Yes - it might be boring, but that's the moment where you enjoy autonomous driving. 

    Let's look like this onto it: Autobahn is just a road to move conveniently from A to B. If I want to have fun, I rather go on the curvy roads into the mountains or on a race track. Streets are in general not build for fun, it is to connect cities and towns - we should always keep this in mind. 

     

     


    Re: 488 Replacement

    Unfortunately it is proven that reducing speed on the highways from 120km/h to 80 km/h when there is lots of traffics avoids jams and reduces driving time between point A and B . Not fun, but efficient and probably the only way to go to keep fluid traffic and efficiency .  

    It will make autonomous driving that much more attractive smiley


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    The facelift of the facelift of the 458, aka as the 488 replacement is said to have 720hp, same as the Pista.


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    Rossi:

    The facelift of the facelift of the 458, aka as the 488 replacement is said to have 720hp, same as the Pista.

    Replacement or facelift? 720 hp in the facelift would put even more pressure on Porsche and Lamborghini.

    Actually, it is going to be interesting what power figure we are going to see for the 992 Turbo S. A couple of months ago, I heard something around 620 (with mild hybridization) but I'm not sure 620 would be competitive.


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    Re: 488 Replacement

    488 replacement: turbo, 720ps, no KERS, styling between pista and 488. very very fast. rear wheel drive of course. Genève presentation.


     
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