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    Lowering and tires - 997

    Especially in the US there are lots of 997 Carrera and Carrera S owners who would love to lower their cars and/or to add bigger wheels incl. wider tires.
    Although this sounds to be a reasonable demand and I understand the desire for larger (20'') wheels and wider tires incl. a lowering of the chassis, owners have to be very careful what they're doing because 90% of the aftermarket mods (and I'm not exaggerating) actually have a negative impact on handling, performance and stability.

    A few hints for owners:
    1. try to stick with the OEM N-certified tires, even if you want a different (aftermarket) rim design. A lot of rim manufacturers actually offer rims in the same size and offset like the OEM Porsche rims.
    To give you an example: it took Michelin four(!) years to develop the Pilot Sport for the 997 in a close collaboration process with Porsche, the front tires have a completely different compound mixture than the rear tires. There is a huge difference between the N-certified Pilot Sport and the Pilot Sport without N classification!
    2. to avoid for example structural integrity problems (especially on Cabs and during heavy track racing), the maximum rim diameter should be 19''. Do NOT use 20'' rims! They may look cool but they really are a set-back regarding handling, performance and of course unsprung weight.
    3. if you want to lower your 997 Carrera, use the original 20 mm chassis option parts (limited slip diff. retrofit excluded). They can be obtained through internet retailers or even some official Porsche dealers (if they'e clever).
    997 Carrera S owners with PASM should wait with lowering until there is a good solution available. Right now none of the offered aftermarket solutions seem really to work as they should.

    This is just a friendly hint, not something you HAVE to do.
    But let me ask you one question: why would somebody spend a fortune to buy a Porsche 911, one of the best sportscars in the world and then destroy it's original high performance setup by adding some bling bling stuff to it which not only diminuishes peformance but also may pose a safety/reliability risk?

    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

    i m with you on that RC, only problem is: my car came with bridgestone

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    Greatly appreciated RC.
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    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

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    RC said:
    But let me ask you one question: why would somebody spend a fortune to buy a Porsche 911, one of the best sportscars in the world and then destroy it's original high performance setup by adding some bling bling stuff to it which not only diminuishes peformance but also may pose a safety/reliability risk?



    Simple - to be different. 911 are a common sight these days and so I can understand the motivation for others to "personalise" their pride and joy (not sure about 20" rims though ). Frankly, the majority of owners will never really appreachiate the potential in car dynamics their cars offer so noting is lost at the end.

    Equally, why do people pay Olaf Manthey to change (improve) their suspension and engine on a GT3? Afterall Porsche spent lots of time on both - yet at the end they had to compromise because they sell cars to such a diverse group of people. In my mind they should improve their tuning shop and offer people the options they are looking for these days. Plus they would make a financial killing...

    TEE

    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

    to each his own

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    "Simple - to be different. 911 are a common sight these days"

    Then buy a Maserati if "different" is the most important thing.

    Seems dumb buying a 911 if you want to be different...

    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

    well in some countries you are difference due to the cost of this car!

    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

    RC,

    Can I put springs from a PASM car on my base 997 to lower it a bit? Is it.10mm or .20 lower than base 997?

    Robert

    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

    Robert,
    PASM (997 or 997S) is -10mm lower than standard base 997, you would technically lower it by -10mm. But suposing you could fit those springs, they are tailored to the espeficic and "dinamic" demands of the electronic shocks of the PASM. The result on handling, grip and balance would be unpredictable.

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    Le Chef said:
    "Simple - to be different. 911 are a common sight these days"

    Then buy a Maserati if "different" is the most important thing.

    Seems dumb buying a 911 if you want to be different...



    I think you are perhaps missing the point - why do you think they offer different colours, interior, even engines now?? Adding more wheels or different suspension settings is just a longer list. Have a think about it...

    You missed the point

    The issue is "common" not "different".

    I don't have an issue with 911's being common - makes no difference to me. OTOH if you feel that the 911 is common and need to mod it to make it less common, then why not buy a car that really is a little rarer, like the Maserati?

    Re: Lowering and tires - 997

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    rss996 said:
    RC,

    Can I put springs from a PASM car on my base 997 to lower it a bit? Is it.10mm or .20 lower than base 997?

    Robert



    I wouldn't do that. Try to get the shocks/springs/swaybars from the 20 mm chassis option (ROW) for your car and you'll get a perfect setup. I'm not quite sure yet if the 20 mm option also includes some different wheel carriers/arms/etc., somebody mentioned something in that direction.
    H&R offers now a lowering kit (springs only) for the 997, this should do the job. But be aware that this kit isn't perfect, however H&R usually does a good job because they're an OEM spring manufacturer for the GT3/GT2/Carrera GT springs.

    Re: You missed the point

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    Le Chef said:
    The issue is "common" not "different".

    I don't have an issue with 911's being common - makes no difference to me. OTOH if you feel that the 911 is common and need to mod it to make it less common, then why not buy a car that really is a little rarer, like the Maserati?



    Because they actually like the 911 - Nobel is less common but by no means in my view an alternative. I guess it is a mater of personalising the car

    And the new Noble will be Fab

    Can't remember what it's called by I read the articles in autocar/car/evo and think they "could" have a 911 competitor on their hands.

    It's a pity neither Noble nor TVR have managed to overcome the cost of federalizing their cars. TVR Typhon vs. Corvette Z06 vs 997 GT3...what a showdown!

     
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