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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    As you have noticed in the past, the 991.1 GT3 is already too fast a car to fully use on the streets, so for someone who prefers manual shifting, I don't think the trade-off in performance is a huge concern.  For street driving.  That said, I would still go PDK on this car because it suits the engine so well and because on a car with this kind of speed, I want to be fully focused on the other inputs.  On my GT4, I would not get PDK even if offered because the acceleration is not explosive enough.  I am on my dealer's list for the next GT4 and will consider PDK for that car.

    Will be interesting to see if people put their money where their mouth is re manual.  U.S. manual sales should be much higher than ROW.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Are these wheels available in Germany yet?

    They are not on the German configurator as of yet but are on the GB configurator

     

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Ziggy:
    RC:

    My dealer said that all new GT3 pre-orders he has so far are all...PDK. Of course this isn't really saying much but still...

    In my opinion, it is a shame to order such an engineering-optimized car with manual, in a sense it defeats its purpose.  It is like pairing the courses of a menu at a Michelin-starred restaurant with cheap wine.

    When Ferrari went to all paddle shifter, they were asked why they did not offer MT. The answer;

    The car was designed for performance and the F1 transmission is designed to enhance that performance. MT does not enhance performance.

    Seriously if someone feels strongly that MT is more fun to drive, they should considered a Miata or other cheaper cars which offer MT. It make no sense to handicap the GT3 with MT.

    We're fairly close to a time where a computer could assume other driving responsibilities like steering, braking, and controlling throttle in a way that enhances performance beyond a human driver.  Progress?

    Gotta draw the line somewhere and not everyone's line is the same...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


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    Hahahahahahahaha!!!!winkkiss

    Sun is psyched! He listened to the videos -- that THUNG on shifting was there in 2016, but imagine what this fkr will sound like at 9K!!!!!!

    He just ordered his NZ rig:

    PCCB, Smokers, LWB - NO STRIPES, GT Silver, PDK, Clubsport, privacy glass plus side windows art dealer.  Haha, only bummer lifts are standard and can NOT be deleted in NZ.

     

    Does anyone have pix of blue graphite???  Thank you


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Congrats!  Lots of photos on google:


    https://www.google.com/search?q=porsche+graphite+blue&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&...

    Some of these are not GB, but most are.  There's a whole thread on Rennlist too.  I saw it yesterday- love it in some light, but sometimes looks like primer or battleship gray.
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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


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    Graphite Blue

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    Thank you - as a multi rhodium guy(5 cars) Sun is going GT Silver this time just to be different😎🐾🐾


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    watt:

    Thank you - as a multi rhodium guy(5 cars) Sun is going GT Silver this time just to be different😎🐾🐾

    Different? You and 35% of all Porsche owners. 😉


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    every time when manual and PDK appears on the same sentence, the discussion will go 10+ pages long...

    if it is not for manual transmission, I will not even consider buying this car at all.

    anyone here that think they can extract 100% of performance out of this GT3 is just kidding himself big time, not on the road, track or anywhere.

    the performance different of PDK-S vs manual in this car for me is all academic, it means nothing.

    for easy of use and practicality of PDK, that's also irrelevant to me.  I never felt driving manual is harder than PDK at all.


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    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Some people just prefer manual, such a shame that Nick doesn't allow them to... 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    To each his own, you can take the pleasure in executing a heel/toe downshift or listening to a automated gearbox do it fo you at light speed and in a perfect way, EVERY single time. I understand that. But that is not how I enjoy my car. I only wish I had an automatic on my 911 in heavy traffic...but then when this happens I also wish I had taken my daily driver.

    I don't think it is about technological advance or not. I would not give ABS or PSM...But manual is part of the driving experience, it is part of the fun, more involvement required. 

    I think Grant put this well, you could automate the driving entirely...Self driving GT3, probably faster than any human soon...any fun in that? indecision

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    The next thing we'd want in a GT3 is a Mercedes S-Class Airmatic + Magic Body Control Suspension for the niche market and ear plugs, if it's too costly for Porsche to add some extra sound deadening materials to satisfy few of the PDK owners 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Joost:

    Oh how I loved the original gt3 with the folded taco wing!

    There is a guy in my village who has one as a DD . I saw him drive the car the whole winter . So cool. It does not look out of place , the car is silver and looks ' old' so no problem . I would love to have that .


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    KresoF1:

    Btw, there won't be a 039 Touring Paket option.  It was cancelled after some thinking. And it did not feature wingless GT3. Rather 2+2...angry

    PTS deliveries should start in EU from January 2018 earliest.

    Well if they want to make that "Touring" or CS version, a Touring pack in the GT3 makes no sense


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Live Photos from Geneva ...


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    There has been a comment that the "Touring Pack" option was expected to be so popular on the GT3 that Porsche could justify a new model variant...


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    It seems like I cannot upload any picture !! 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    RC:

    My dealer said that all new GT3 pre-orders he has so far are all...PDK. Of course this isn't really saying much but still...

    Will just make my car more collectible Smiley

    Germany is definitely a market where I expected big volume advantage for PDK.

    RC, as an Autobahn guy you should prefer Manual - it has a higher top speed Smiley

    Autobahn guy? Smiley Only 5-10% of my driving happens on the Autobahn and I'm not really a fan because it is boring as hell. I love the DCT in my R8, I only shift manually (actually the first sportscar I really shift manually only since my last manual and I had five cars with PDK) and I do not miss the clutch at all. Nostalgia isn't my thing, sorry.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gnil:
    Joost:

    Oh how I loved the original gt3 with the folded taco wing!

    There is a guy in my village who has one as a DD . I saw him drive the car the whole winter . So cool. It does not look out of place , the car is silver and looks ' old' so no problem . I would love to have that .

    Nice!
    BTW, you're so spoilt Eric! An RS and 964 yourself, neighbors with GT3s and other exclusive Porsche collections... I see a 911 at most once a week! (Having said that, a guy in my town has a CGT and a 918 spyder, but I have only once seen his CGT in a flash as he drove in the opposite direction)


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Joost:
    Gnil:
    Joost:

    Oh how I loved the original gt3 with the folded taco wing!

    There is a guy in my village who has one as a DD . I saw him drive the car the whole winter . So cool. It does not look out of place , the car is silver and looks ' old' so no problem . I would love to have that .

    Nice!
    BTW, you're so spoilt Eric! An RS and 964 yourself, neighbors with GT3s and other exclusive Porsche collections... I see a 911 at most once a week! (Having said that, a guy in my town has a CGT and a 918 spyder, but I have only once seen his CGT in a flash as he drove in the opposite direction)

    The 911 is basically the Volkswagen of sportscars here in Germany. I see a couple of 911 every day and mostly 991 and 997/996. Older 911 (993, 964, etc.) I usually see on weekends and mostly in spring/summer.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    RC: love the DCT in my R8, I only shift manually (actually the first sportscar I really shift manually only since my last manual and I had five cars with PDK) and I do not miss the clutch at all. Nostalgia isn't my thing, sorry.

    No apology necessary.  We don't all have to like the same thing.  I'm just grateful to have the choice Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    RC: love the DCT in my R8, I only shift manually (actually the first sportscar I really shift manually only since my last manual and I had five cars with PDK) and I do not miss the clutch at all. Nostalgia isn't my thing, sorry.

    No apology necessary.  We don't all have to like the same thing.  I'm just grateful to have the choice Smiley

    Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    RC:
    Grant:
    RC: love the DCT in my R8, I only shift manually (actually the first sportscar I really shift manually only since my last manual and I had five cars with PDK) and I do not miss the clutch at all. Nostalgia isn't my thing, sorry.

    No apology necessary.  We don't all have to like the same thing.  I'm just grateful to have the choice Smiley

    Smiley

    Yes, not trying to convince anyone to drive a manual, just for Porsche to continue selling them :-)


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Joost:
    Gnil:
    Joost:

    Oh how I loved the original gt3 with the folded taco wing!

    There is a guy in my village who has one as a DD . I saw him drive the car the whole winter . So cool. It does not look out of place , the car is silver and looks ' old' so no problem . I would love to have that .

    Nice!
    BTW, you're so spoilt Eric! An RS and 964 yourself, neighbors with GT3s and other exclusive Porsche collections... I see a 911 at most once a week! (Having said that, a guy in my town has a CGT and a 918 spyder, but I have only once seen his CGT in a flash as he drove in the opposite direction)

    Porsche are liked in Switzerland, because they are the Audi of sport cars Smiley 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gnil:
    Joost:
    Gnil:
    Joost:

    Oh how I loved the original gt3 with the folded taco wing!

    There is a guy in my village who has one as a DD . I saw him drive the car the whole winter . So cool. It does not look out of place , the car is silver and looks ' old' so no problem . I would love to have that .

    Nice!
    BTW, you're so spoilt Eric! An RS and 964 yourself, neighbors with GT3s and other exclusive Porsche collections... I see a 911 at most once a week! (Having said that, a guy in my town has a CGT and a 918 spyder, but I have only once seen his CGT in a flash as he drove in the opposite direction)

    Porsche are liked in Switzerland, because they are the Audi of sport cars Smiley 

    Funny, in Germany they are considered the Volkswagen of sportscars. Smiley Same company, so I guess we're good... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Joost:

    Some people just prefer manual, such a shame that Nick doesn't allow them to... 

    Not true. MT devotees claim MT is more fun to drive. Personally I find such statements absurd. In traffic, MT is painful. On a performance track MT is slow. On public roads, MT is clumsy and disruptive. Nevertheless, some want a MT. My advice, you can have the same if not better experience in a much cheaper car. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Joost:

    Some people just prefer manual, such a shame that Nick doesn't allow them to... 

    Not true. MT devotees claim MT is more fun to drive. Personally I find such statements absurd. In traffic, MT is painful. On a performance track MT is slow. On public roads, MT is clumsy and disruptive. Nevertheless, some want a MT. My advice, you can have the same if not better experience in a much cheaper car. Smiley

    Nick, 

    You having buckets or comfy spec??.


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    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    throt:
    nberry:
    Joost:

    Some people just prefer manual, such a shame that Nick doesn't allow them to... 

    Not true. MT devotees claim MT is more fun to drive. Personally I find such statements absurd. In traffic, MT is painful. On a performance track MT is slow. On public roads, MT is clumsy and disruptive. Nevertheless, some want a MT. My advice, you can have the same if not better experience in a much cheaper car. Smiley

    Nothing comes close to a Mezger with 764 pressure plate married to a LWFW and 4.0RS sprung clutch disc, the action is a petrolhead's wet dream and I enjoy it daily, including in traffic..... Others like to pretend to be into driving and enjoy cruising and posing Smiley


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    TB993tt:

    Nothing comes close to a Mezger with 764 pressure plate married to a LWFW and 4.0RS sprung clutch disc, the action is a petrolhead's wet dream and I enjoy it daily, including in traffic..... Others like to pretend to be into driving and enjoy cruising and posing Smiley

    Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Following a discussion on how "difficult" 764 clutches were I did the vid below for proof that even girls can do it indecision

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2j5NiLbelU


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