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    Re: [2021] Formula 1

    That post is the dumbest I’ve read in a long time. Thank you 🥂


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    You are welcome;)


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    spudgun:

    That post is the dumbest I’ve read in a long time. Thank you 🥂

    What he's trying to saying is, Hamilton is a marketing tool used for political reasons with a hidden agenda. A 7or 8 time Champion can affect a lot of youths out there with no experience in life and the way they look up to him.

    The Mainstream Media across EU is almost identical to our Left-Leaning Media Smiley


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    BiTurbo, true. Sorry guys, friday evening, i am not very concentrated to write complicated texts in foreign language:))


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    spudgun:

    That post is the dumbest I’ve read in a long time. Thank you 🥂

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    kudryavchik:

    Whoopsy, every driver is a product of its generation. 

    You can take the best drivers of 30s - Rosemeyer, Carac, Nuvolari, Stuck; 50s - Fangio, Moss, Hawthorn; 60- Clark, Hill, Gendebien; 70- Ickx, Lauda, Andretti; 80- Prost, Bellof, Senna and etc

    All of them incomparable as a personality - different generations and in mastership - the cars being so much different that racing was a different discipline. The guys that were good in 50s would never win in 80s and vice versa.

    Schummi, Kimi and Alonso are very different to modern crying Hamilton and Vettel. First 3 are much more interesting and all round more deeply developed personalities to me than the late 2.

    About Hamilton - he is a great driver of course, they way he searches the motivation so long is exceptional, but to me he represents the worst from the current generation - lack of deep knowledge and propaganda of shit like lgbt and blm. I am liberal who is for the fair rights for all, but this guy is too much active in racism (staying on the knee) where the people who never were the slave owners must stay one the knee in front of those uneducated criminals who never were slaves. Socialism propaganda, save the planet and other crap. In 30s such a personality would be very efficient to promote nazism. Whats interesting the guys like Rosemeyer and Carac were never the propagandist ones:)

    I hope that the young people, that represent the next generation will not follow the ham route. My imho


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    You know, I never mentioned anything about his off track endeavours, I only say how good he carries himself in public. In fact, on many occasions I do not agreed with what he is preaching. 

    But on track, and how he fight and progress up the ranks, to become the most successful F1 driver there is, he is a role model. He never quits, or gets discouraged by others. He doesn't whine, he just suck it up and keep his head down fighting. That's the key quality kids should look up to. 

     


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    Here I tend to agree with you. But for me his offtrack activity kills all the positive he makes on track. In terms of pushing to the limit - he is the strongest now, no doubt. But also, lets see what Russel brings and what will happen when ham will force to fight against his teammate again. Also, lets not forget, the car, the team behind. Toto has built a very efficient structure. 


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    spudgun:

    That post is the dumbest I’ve read in a long time. Thank you 🥂

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    kudryavchik:

    Here I tend to agree with you. But for me his offtrack activity kills all the positive he makes on track. In terms of pushing to the limit - he is the strongest now, no doubt. But also, lets see what Russel brings and what will happen when ham will force to fight against his teammate again. Also, lets not forget, the car, the team behind. Toto has built a very efficient structure. 

     

    And we can talk about that in say 12-14 years when Russell retires to see how their 2 career measures up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Russell don't have a single WDC trophy at home yet, Hamilton have 7, maybe 8 after this year. There really isn't anything to compare. One is on the way up while the other is on a decline. The only proper comparison was back in 2007 when he was a rookie, staring down Alonso in his prime, fresh off back to back WDC. Or battle against Vettel. One could argue about the 2016 championship where Rosberg won over Hamilton, but if not for the blown engine while leading the Malaysian GP that year, Rosberg wouldn't have won. 

    A proper comparison would be to compare Russell, Max, Norris, Leclerc, Gasly, Albon, Sainz. All are the on the way up. Let's see where they all ended up after their career have ended. 

    The Mercedes isn't all conquering forever. Back in 2018, they weren't the best, the Ferrari was. Hamilton also took a less than ideal car to WDC back in 2008. He also took the gamble to leave the then top team McLaren and jump ship to the new Mercedes team, that move could have backfired and his career stalled. But even during the all conquering Red Bull era where Vettel won his 4 WDC, Hamilton still managed to win 11 races in that 4 years, with one in a uncompetitive  Mercedes in 2013. 11 wins ties him with Alonso during the same period in a strong Ferrari car. 


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    Nice points Whoopsy! All true.

    However, on Ham vs Alo - it was only one year, one year of competition couldnt be fully representative. No doubt, Ham started strong against Alo and the way Alo positioned himself, with all that McLaren scandal was wrong. We simply had no chance to see more. 

    Ham vs Vet - yes, there were the times when Ferrari was better, more precisely the car was better, but Ferrari structure proved to be much less efficient. This battle cannot be compared, fe to the battle Hakkinen vs Schumacher where Schumacher in much worse car with worse structure proved to be faster than Hakkinen on stronger car and well established team.

    Also, for a long time we havent seen the internal battle inside Mercedes, so Ham had quite a comfy period, however, at difficult times he pushed to the limits. Vet was much weaker under pressure. Thats why I am waiting for Russel, interesting to see the youngster against the champion in the 2014-2021 dominating team. Also, have to say, I like Verstappen, maybe he is a bit straight forward, but a nice racer, very nice. What I dont like - all the shit of marko, horner and toto. Dennis and Todt had much more respect each other


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    A bit offtopic. My very favourite periods are 750 kg formula of 1934-1937. Amazing car amazings drivers. Tech avan garde, especially with the stromlinienwagens from MB and AU. In 1938 Rekordwagen AU was the first with the ground effects. First side skirts... that killed Rosemeyer... there is a very nice article of Aldo Zana about these cars. Also first external starters, pneumatic jacks for pits and those drivers with ball of steel.

    And early 70s sportscar championship with 1966-1974 can am. Monstrous! 917 vs 512. 917/10 with the first adjustable turbine and 917/30 with the first intercoolers (for 1975 talladega speed run). Also 50's f1 with mb w196 with first direct injection and desmodromic valves. Simply wow. 919 evo run in 2018 reminded me the crazines of true autosport. Currently the competition is a bit sterile:)


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    kudryavchik:

    Nice points Whoopsy! All true.

    However, on Ham vs Alo - it was only one year, one year of competition couldnt be fully representative. No doubt, Ham started strong against Alo and the way Alo positioned himself, with all that McLaren scandal was wrong. We simply had no chance to see more. 

    Ham vs Vet - yes, there were the times when Ferrari was better, more precisely the car was better, but Ferrari structure proved to be much less efficient. This battle cannot be compared, fe to the battle Hakkinen vs Schumacher where Schumacher in much worse car with worse structure proved to be faster than Hakkinen on stronger car and well established team.

    Also, for a long time we havent seen the internal battle inside Mercedes, so Ham had quite a comfy period, however, at difficult times he pushed to the limits. Vet was much weaker under pressure. Thats why I am waiting for Russel, interesting to see the youngster against the champion in the 2014-2021 dominating team. Also, have to say, I like Verstappen, maybe he is a bit straight forward, but a nice racer, very nice. What I dont like - all the shit of marko, horner and toto. Dennis and Todt had much more respect each other


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    Max has the superior car for most of the year, with him so close skill wise to Hamilton, the car makes a difference. He would have already wrapped up or in a very good position to close out the season had he had better judgement in Silverstone. Of all the incidents happened this year, that is one that Max has full control and he chose wrong. Well Monza too but he took out Hamilton also so there isn't a swing in points. 

    Now if Hamilton won the title this year, and partnered up with Russell next year, there is only 2 outcomes, one, Hamilton beating Russell, which some are expecting as he is the more experienced one. The other one would be Russell proved to be faster than Hamilton. Which in the process will make Max looks bad. Russell did something Max can't do. 

    Hamilton will be in a no lose situation. Regardless, he wins he is still the top dog. He loses and it would be natural as he is on a decline curve, and Russell really is the real deal. 

     

     


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    If Bottas had even taken 1 or 2 wins off Lewis this year then MV would already own the Driver's Championship.

    That is a threat to Mercedes next year - having 2 evenly paired drivers sharing the victories at the MB preferred tracks.


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    Have Albon, Gasly or Perez taken away wins from Max? The same will happen to Russel. He first needs to get accustomed to the car/team.


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    Gauss, when Ham came in 2007, he started to fight from the beginning. Also lets not forget that from the next year all will start from zero with the new cars. Who knows, who will read the regulations best


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    Whoopsy:
    kudryavchik:

    Nice points Whoopsy! All true.

    However, on Ham vs Alo - it was only one year, one year of competition couldnt be fully representative. No doubt, Ham started strong against Alo and the way Alo positioned himself, with all that McLaren scandal was wrong. We simply had no chance to see more. 

    Ham vs Vet - yes, there were the times when Ferrari was better, more precisely the car was better, but Ferrari structure proved to be much less efficient. This battle cannot be compared, fe to the battle Hakkinen vs Schumacher where Schumacher in much worse car with worse structure proved to be faster than Hakkinen on stronger car and well established team.

    Also, for a long time we havent seen the internal battle inside Mercedes, so Ham had quite a comfy period, however, at difficult times he pushed to the limits. Vet was much weaker under pressure. Thats why I am waiting for Russel, interesting to see the youngster against the champion in the 2014-2021 dominating team. Also, have to say, I like Verstappen, maybe he is a bit straight forward, but a nice racer, very nice. What I dont like - all the shit of marko, horner and toto. Dennis and Todt had much more respect each other


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    Max has the superior car for most of the year, with him so close skill wise to Hamilton, the car makes a difference. He would have already wrapped up or in a very good position to close out the season had he had better judgement in Silverstone. Of all the incidents happened this year, that is one that Max has full control and he chose wrong. Well Monza too but he took out Hamilton also so there isn't a swing in points. 

    Now if Hamilton won the title this year, and partnered up with Russell next year, there is only 2 outcomes, one, Hamilton beating Russell, which some are expecting as he is the more experienced one. The other one would be Russell proved to be faster than Hamilton. Which in the process will make Max looks bad. Russell did something Max can't do. 

    Hamilton will be in a no lose situation. Regardless, he wins he is still the top dog. He loses and it would be natural as he is on a decline curve, and Russell really is the real deal. 

     

     

    Whoopsy, lets not forget that from the next year the new cars come. Who and how will adapt to new regulations is also a question.

    I don't know if RB is the best car this year or now, more fair to say they are very close and their strengths depends on track. And Hamilton will never be in the lose situation, he is multiple times champion and the attitude to him now mostly depends on his off track activity)))

    Vettel is in different situation, however he lost in RB 2014, he lost in Ferrari and couldn't keep up with the pressure. Now he is good in collecting the garbage after the attendants and wearing rainbow tshirts. Pity it is not the Rainbow from Blackmore and Dio times


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    I for one was never a fan of Vettel, but he has won me.over, he has been the only one that had the balls to call out F1 for going to countries where human rights are not respected and in doing so helping promote and wash these regimes in exchange for money. Also I applaud his support for LGTB rights in countries like Hungary, even though specifically wearing the t-shirt at the national anthem ceremony was not the best moment to do it imo.


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    In most countries, especially in developed ones the human rights are there. Have never heard any issues on this topic in Hungary. I am for the next - everyone has a right to do whatever they want to do at their home. If man loves man - no problem. If woman loves woman - fine. I am even not against of if man loves the vacuum cleaner - of course if the vacuum cleaner is not against of. However what we see now is not about liberalism or human rights, its the same intervention into the freedom of people as the persons who separate people by nationality intervene into the freedom of others. Moreover, i must say that this campaign becomes an agressive one. In case you dont support lgbt or blm movement the life becomes much more difficult for you. The closest case - Rowling, who was not invited on the event concerning Harry Potter simply because she said that she is afraid of rising amount of transsexual persons, now she gets the agressive letters from transsexuals. Or the other case - staying on the knee because the policeman killed the afroamerican person who was drugdealer and rapist. Wtf! 

    I am a jew, maybe I should start to make all Germans, Austrians, Spaniards, Romanians, Hungarians to stay on the knee in front of me?

    Anyway, its offtopic... when I pay to watch f1 I dont want to see the pilots on the knee, I want see them racing. If I wanted the man on knee I would subscribe the pope channel

    P.S. if Vettel wants to wash the regimes he should go to politics. He has enough resources. 


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    Gauss:

    Have Albon, Gasly or Perez taken away wins from Max? The same will happen to Russel. He first needs to get accustomed to the car/team.


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    As opposed to every other team where they setup the car more or less neutral for both drivers, the Red Bull had been Max styled biased from the beginning. Albon and Gasly had no chance. Perez only got going when he had his car deviated from the default setup. 

    Max has a unique style, he like a nervous rear where he take advantage of the loose rear end to rotate the car quickly through a corner to get on with it. Red Bull car is designed to be front end grip limited, Max can afford to slide the back end with oversteer without destroying the rear tires. A function of their high rake design. 


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    kudryavchik:
     

    Whoopsy, lets not forget that from the next year the new cars come. Who and how will adapt to new regulations is also a question.

    I don't know if RB is the best car this year or now, more fair to say they are very close and their strengths depends on track. And Hamilton will never be in the lose situation, he is multiple times champion and the attitude to him now mostly depends on his off track activity)))

    Vettel is in different situation, however he lost in RB 2014, he lost in Ferrari and couldn't keep up with the pressure. Now he is good in collecting the garbage after the attendants and wearing rainbow tshirts. Pity it is not the Rainbow from Blackmore and Dio times

    Exactly about next year. Red Bull and Mercedes could fall to mid pack and some other teams could come out on top.

    I am cheering for Alpine so Alonso can get his 3rd. I would also love McLaren and Ferrari to continue their climb up, 3 way battle between Alpine McLaren and Ferrari. 

    At the start of the year, there is no question up and down the grid, RB has the best car. Mercedes stopped developing their car after Silverstone and all their gains to get to more or less equal to RB's performance was from setup changes. 

    It's not unlike back in 2017 where Vettel in the Ferrari has the advantage early on, but second half of the season Mercedes got on top of their car and Hamilton start catching and passing Vettel on points. Vettel didn't do himself any favour by letting Hamilton get into his head. Baku anyone? Singapore is another, Max got a Ferrari sandwich!

    But this year RB is in a much better shape than the 2017 Ferrari. For some reason after Schumacher Ferrari is a dis-functioning mess. 


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    Whoopsy:
    kudryavchik:
     

    Whoopsy, lets not forget that from the next year the new cars come. Who and how will adapt to new regulations is also a question.

    I don't know if RB is the best car this year or now, more fair to say they are very close and their strengths depends on track. And Hamilton will never be in the lose situation, he is multiple times champion and the attitude to him now mostly depends on his off track activity)))

    Vettel is in different situation, however he lost in RB 2014, he lost in Ferrari and couldn't keep up with the pressure. Now he is good in collecting the garbage after the attendants and wearing rainbow tshirts. Pity it is not the Rainbow from Blackmore and Dio times

    Exactly about next year. Red Bull and Mercedes could fall to mid pack and some other teams could come out on top.

    I am cheering for Alpine so Alonso can get his 3rd. I would also love McLaren and Ferrari to continue their climb up, 3 way battle between Alpine McLaren and Ferrari. 

    At the start of the year, there is no question up and down the grid, RB has the best car. Mercedes stopped developing their car after Silverstone and all their gains to get to more or less equal to RB's performance was from setup changes. 

    It's not unlike back in 2017 where Vettel in the Ferrari has the advantage early on, but second half of the season Mercedes got on top of their car and Hamilton start catching and passing Vettel on points. Vettel didn't do himself any favour by letting Hamilton get into his head. Baku anyone? Singapore is another, Max got a Ferrari sandwich!

    But this year RB is in a much better shape than the 2017 Ferrari. For some reason after Schumacher Ferrari is a dis-functioning mess. 

    To be fair, if I would stake, my stakes would go to McLaren. Andreas Seidl is an exceptional team leader. The way he worked with Porsche on 919 project, and now, he is ressurecting McLaren, I believe he will have a success. Also, I think he has the strong contacts with Porsche. We will see what will happen soon with VW coming to championship.

    Alpine - I am not so sure here. Alo is arguably the best (for me) driver on the grid, but such teams as Alpine are unstable. Today they are on top, tomorrow - at the bottom. Also, they have no well balanced management architecture.

    Whoopsy, I would take with the grain of salt the Toto words that they have stopped the car development from Silverstone. I am sure it is not true. Everything what Toto, Marko and Horner say is simply the game. Currently the top teams are oversized, they work on current season, future season and some perspective long term researches, adjusting the size of development team between these 3 (formally) groups. 

    It seems that Ferrari, being located in Italy couldn't keep up in terms of development cycles. It seems, considering the fact that F1 is a british toy for a long time, pure Italian team is not so adjustable in terms of stuff. Because of that, partly, Ferrari is the most inefficient team in terms of $ invested per point. McLaren budget (only team without engine of course) is 1,5 times lower, but only now Ferrari could overtake them.

    In terms of technology, I was very wondered hearing that only now ferrari have moved up from 400V to 800V batteries (of course actual numbers are a bit different, 370V on discharge, 430V on charge, and now a bit lower than 800 on discharge, a bit higher on charge). The limit that always will be there is 1000V (its a regulated number, you can go above that, its world regulations, not only F1). Merc had (like Porsche with 919, however F1 has 3 phase cabling, 919 had 6 phase on front kers and 3 phase on rear mhu) 800V from 2015. So Ferrari was quite well handicapped in terms of ERS weight (with lower voltage you need more amps, more amps - the thicker the cables)


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    Concerning the Mercedes, it's actually not from Toto's words, but from technical analysis posted on Motorsport.com every race weekend. photographers don't miss much, when they zero in on cars in garages. 

    There aren't any new parts fitted since Silverstone, while Red Bull have been fitting and trying new parts pretty much non-stop. 

     


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    Whoopsy:

    Concerning the Mercedes, it's actually not from Toto's words, but from technical analysis posted on Motorsport.com every race weekend. photographers don't miss much, when they zero in on cars in garages. 

    There aren't any new parts fitted since Silverstone, while Red Bull have been fitting and trying new parts pretty much non-stop. 

     

    Ah, Motorsport.com photos... also not reliable.

    First of all, F1 cars, on par with old LMP1-H are the most complicated tech, very complicated (under the regulations), whats is obsolete to be active made passive, whats prohibited to be electronical made mechanical. There are lots and lots of things that are not possible to be seen outside. The aero of the car, f.e. inside the engine bay (it is quite fundamental thing and not changed during the season often due to interaction with crash structures, anyway).Lots of hidden things.

    Second, these guys invest dozens of millions to get under the regulations (or a bit outside of it) thousands of the seconds. Considering the high level of competition you have to work very very closely under the details to get these thousands. Considering the amount of the parts F1 car has, lots of unseen and even more simulations to understand the car behaviour under tons of variables should be considered as a vast amount of work with the car.

    Third, fun fact. Motorsport.com is Zak Brown thing, Zak Brown uses MB engines. What for would Zak Brown resourse post the photos of MB that could show the details of MB car that are being changed. What we see from Piola images are quite basic and fundamental things. Higher edge of cake) Interesting, but its for fun.


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    RIP Sir Frank Williams. FW11, 14B, 15C and FW26 (with Terzi nosecone (great engineer passed away) are impeccable designs, state of art. 


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    kudryavchik:
    Whoopsy:

    Concerning the Mercedes, it's actually not from Toto's words, but from technical analysis posted on Motorsport.com every race weekend. photographers don't miss much, when they zero in on cars in garages. 

    There aren't any new parts fitted since Silverstone, while Red Bull have been fitting and trying new parts pretty much non-stop. 

     

    Ah, Motorsport.com photos... also not reliable.

    First of all, F1 cars, on par with old LMP1-H are the most complicated tech, very complicated (under the regulations), whats is obsolete to be active made passive, whats prohibited to be electronical made mechanical. There are lots and lots of things that are not possible to be seen outside. The aero of the car, f.e. inside the engine bay (it is quite fundamental thing and not changed during the season often due to interaction with crash structures, anyway).Lots of hidden things.

    Second, these guys invest dozens of millions to get under the regulations (or a bit outside of it) thousands of the seconds. Considering the high level of competition you have to work very very closely under the details to get these thousands. Considering the amount of the parts F1 car has, lots of unseen and even more simulations to understand the car behaviour under tons of variables should be considered as a vast amount of work with the car.

    Third, fun fact. Motorsport.com is Zak Brown thing, Zak Brown uses MB engines. What for would Zak Brown resourse post the photos of MB that could show the details of MB car that are being changed. What we see from Piola images are quite basic and fundamental things. Higher edge of cake) Interesting, but its for fun.

     

    Lots of conspiracy theories for a whole lot of nothing. Smiley

    The unseen stuff you want to talk about are all token based and Mercedes don't have the tokens left to use if you haven't noticed.

    There are plenty other race photographers that take car pictures showing car details for various websites. I used Motorsport.com as they have the most complete sets per race. It is well documented that Red Bull have been changing a lot of their aero parts, brake ducts, wings, floor edges, bargeboards etc while Mercedes don't have any new ones since Silverstone, they are just interchanging stuff around depending on circuits. 

    But believe what you want to believe. It's a free world. 

     


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    Ok)) you believe merc stopped to work on current car, i think they work on current car very actively. The things I was trying to say - not everything could be photographed, also photographers from media are not engineers. How, f.e. you could make a photo of the ice chamber, or how could you see the change of materials used through the photo. No way you could see that. And not forget, we are talking about thousands. Every gp stage the car is different. Even every session except parc de ferme (also some changes could be done)

    The attention to details is so extreme that even in late 90's McLaren was experimenting the paintings with variable wind resistance. Depending on the track position the electrodes actuated the body panels and through electricity changed the painting behavior (that tweak came from aviation, airbus, boeing and their partners invest tons of money to decrease the fuel consumption. Simply in case of aviation the life cycles are much longer due to higher risks)


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    Tokens are joke imo. Budget limit is an even greater joke. The thing is called, in marketing to increase the chances of low budget teams, but in fact mid and low tier team will have even greater gap from top ones. If you look inside there is no budget limit on engines (they will be simply frozen, and no limit on pilot wages, fe). Simply more work for a good accountants to distribute the investments under different expense articles. Even if you put all the guys from big 4 to investigate the expenses distribution, they will never ever find a thing)) simply better conditions for the teams with engine departments

    Ps Motorsport, especially top tier - is money. Fia is not the cleanest org, its like fifa)) why merc is so dominant and why red bull, and before them - ferrari were dominant. Controllable thing (of course not fully, partly, but in case . Ham is not the god, simply merc had the turbo regs before the others (i am sure there, because how merc, from 2014 got to idea to use active prechamber?? 1 year before ferrari and renault). Ross Brawn rules all the technical side, worked on MB in 2010-2013, you know it. Simply somethings goes outside (like ferrari 2019 tweaks), something not. However it doesnt lower the engineering work. Its great in motorsport, thats why I love it.
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