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    Official S5 pricing in the states.

    Audi has released the base MSRP of the S5; $50,500.00 (plus $775 destination).

    S-line is $1850
    Convenience package $2900
    Nav $2390
    B&O stereo $850

    Kudos to Audi.

    The A5 has a base MSRP $39,900.00.

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    devo said:
    Audi has released the base MSRP of the S5; $50,500.00 (plus $775 destination).

    S-line is $1850
    Convenience package $2900
    Nav $2390
    B&O stereo $850

    Kudos to Audi.

    The A5 has a base MSRP $39,900.00.



    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.

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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .

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    I know. I need a daily driver. This price might be hard to refuse.

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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    After seeing a TDI cost more in Euros than what the base price of the S5 is in the States, I somehow don't feel too comforted .

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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .




    And we pay for it

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    Enzo911 said:
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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .




    And we pay for it



    Truer words have never been spoken (except by me ).

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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    I don't know which is better ... having cars cost less here than in Europe or NOT having "free" health care.

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    SoCal Alan said:
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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    I don't know which is better ... having cars cost less here than in Europe or NOT having "free" health care.



    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....

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    Australia has far more expensive cars guys! But I wouldn't move because of this. Australia is a beautiful country with very friendly people, and our weather is pretty mild. I will just have to live with the $135k (US$110k) Audi S5 etc.

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    WBH said:
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    SoCal Alan said:
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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    I don't know which is better ... having cars cost less here than in Europe or NOT having "free" health care.



    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....



    BTW, I am very happy in "quazi-socialist" Europe! I like USA but, I could not live there. NEVER.

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    WBH said:
    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....



    I don't know if I'd go as far as saying the US is a more efficient market economy - it's a corrupt, hardcore capitalist society, yes. More efficient? Don't think so. Your healthcare system is proof enough - you ppl are getting screwed!

    Cars are cheaper in the US but insurance is def more expensive.

    Houses might be cheaper too, but the quality of US houses is joke compared to what you get in most European countries.

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    KresoF1 said:
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    WBH said:
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    SoCal Alan said:
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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    I don't know which is better ... having cars cost less here than in Europe or NOT having "free" health care.



    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....



    BTW, I am very happy in "quazi-socialist" Europe! I like USA but, I could not live there. NEVER.



    Agreed. My father is a doctor, or should I say a "dim-witted quack" as WBH has so aptly put it. The ignorance of this guy is almost as incredible as his inability to produce a coherent sentence .

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    KresoF1 said:
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    WBH said:
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    SoCal Alan said:
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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    I don't know which is better ... having cars cost less here than in Europe or NOT having "free" health care.



    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....



    BTW, I am very happy in "quazi-socialist" Europe! I like USA but, I could not live there. NEVER.



    I also like Europe. But I could never live there. It's great that we have choices in this world. I'm very happy living in the "less-socialist" US. I only wish our system of government was even more "hands-off" and less controlled.

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    SoCal Alan said:
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    KresoF1 said:
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    WBH said:
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    SoCal Alan said:
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    Ron (Houston) said:
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    Crash said:
    That's extremely cheap. We Europeans are getting fleeced with our prices.



    Hey,

    You guys have free health care and we don't. So the least European can do for us is cheaper cars .



    I don't know which is better ... having cars cost less here than in Europe or NOT having "free" health care.



    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....



    BTW, I am very happy in "quazi-socialist" Europe! I like USA but, I could not live there. NEVER.



    I also like Europe. But I could never live there. It's great that we have choices in this world. I'm very happy living in the "less-socialist" US. I only wish our system of government was even more "hands-off" and less controlled.



    So vote for Ron Paul. I really like the US, but the country does have its own "specialties" which I am not too comfortable with. Personally, I think Europe with less of a nanny-state mentality and a healthy appreciation of an individuial success (basically taking cues from the US) would be the best place to live in.

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    Andrej,
    Europe is IMHO already the best place to live in. My wife is currenly in China, her impressions are very strange... I was in Brazil in Spring for few days. Nice country but, even USA is better place to live in.

    So, good old Europe... Home, sweet home!

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    US to get enough cash to retire, then back in europe, best of both worlds!

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    SciFrog said:
    US to get enough cash to retire, then back in europe, best of both worlds!



    Now there's a plan worth considering .

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    JohnJohn said:
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    WBH said:
    US is simply a far more efficient mkt/economy than EU...thus, cheaper cars/lease terms/fuel/insurance/better lemon laws&warranties....and much cheaper houses w/modern HVAC (London even w/o modern HVAC is still 2x NYC/CA prices )....and near-perfect CA weather for car nuts...

    EU healthcare is prob what one would expect in any quasi-socialist system where one waits in line to see some likely dim-witted quack who earns <$100K/yr....

    But Germany does have derestricted AB and much smoother pavement than CA ....but German winters....



    I don't know if I'd go as far as saying the US is a more efficient market economy - it's a corrupt, hardcore capitalist society, yes. More efficient? Don't think so. Your healthcare system is proof enough - you ppl are getting screwed!

    Cars are cheaper in the US but insurance is def more expensive.

    Houses might be cheaper too, but the quality of US houses is joke compared to what you get in most European countries.



    Obviously a complex comparison; much of one's satisfaction w/present std of living depends upon one's current socio-economic status (and ability/desire to move upwards) in US vs EU.....typically makes most sense to try to compare "apples to apples"

    US is efficient esp in sense that a smart, middle-class/poor kid growing up in Podunk US prob has better odds of attending Wharton/Stanford, etc and starting a hedge fund/tech co. and becoming a centimillionaire/billionaire at <40-45yo...than does a kid of same description growing up in London/Munich/Frankfurt...or Podunk EU....would eval how many self-made, <45yo guys worth >$100MM are in SF/NYC regions vs London/Munich, etc.....

    Suspect NYC/SF/London/Munich are prob more directly comparable in std of living, culture and economies than rest of US/EU....

    Houses.....cost of newly-built houses of similar qual construc/HVAC/tech systems on prime, comparably-sized land in most affluent areas of most economically-relevant urban regions of US vs EU....suspect US is 50% cheaper....(and from what I understand, even w/nearly unlim resources and at 2X cost of NYC/CA, Lond's hedge fund kings often don't have state-of-art HVAC in their W End houses/offices/restaurants.... )

    Cars....vast majority of cost of daily-driving new, $150K+ commuter cars (traded-in every yr) is deprec; fuel, ins, etc is trivial....cars are awfully cheap in US

    Healthcare: not many smart physicians available at any price in most of US/EU (and most of smarter physicians (for decades) for obvious economic/intellectual reasons haven't wanted to be mere primary care physicians); even in US, vast majority of urban regions have weak healthcare at any price; not surprisingly, most smart physicians choose to practice/live in parts of urban regions where they are intellectually/economically challenged&satisfied.....would compare quality of healthcare available to affluent guy in SF/NYC/LA vs Lond/Munich at any price (on SF Peninsula, best physicians often don't accept any insurance; affluent customers pay by credit card and take whatever reimbursement high-end insurers will compensate)....IMO, prefer free-mkt pricing of talent....smart, affluent guys will pay whatever makes sense from a risk/reward standpoint to obtain healthcare from the best available physicians...but doubt many affluent guys in US/EU will choose to stand in line for their "free" healthcare from any physician/med ctr willing to accept poor renumeration from government or some low-end insurer....interestingly, SiliconValley's StanfordMedCtr and Boston's MassGeneral, etc rcv visits from many rather affluent guys from RoW (and rest of US), presumably seeking (at any price) world's best healthcare, esp. for complex situations....

    Healthcare is also complex b/c it can be an emergent issue....sure, if one has a cancer diagnosis, can travel to whichever med ctr/physicians are reputedly most expert in specific cancer.....but, if have heart attack or suffer major trauma in a car accident, one is subject to vagaries of closest med ctr, as time is critical....

    Interestingly, even in many affluent parts of NYC/SF/LA, can easily be too far from the leading institutions/physicians for cardiology/trauma/orthopedics, etc in an emergent situation....(e.g., nearest competent healthcare to Greenwich, CT (one of world's 4-5 wealthiest regions) is in Manhattan, some 40 mis and 60mins+ away)....

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    stop whining..
    the S5 base price in Israel is about $140,000 or 103,000 Euros.. and we still pay for health care :\
    (and 50% income tax, social-security, etc.)

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    50k$ for an s5 that's a real bargain.. kudos to audi

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    Discover said:
    stop whining..
    the S5 base price in Israel is about $140,000 or 103,000 Euros.. and we still pay for health care :\
    (and 50% income tax, social-security, etc.)



    Well someone's got to pay for the military cost in Isreal!

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    WBH said:
    Obviously a complex comparison; much of one's satisfaction w/present std of living depends upon one's current socio-economic status (and ability/desire to move upwards) in US vs EU.....typically makes most sense to try to compare "apples to apples"

    US is efficient esp in sense that a smart, middle-class/poor kid growing up in Podunk US prob has better odds of attending Wharton/Stanford, etc and starting a hedge fund/tech co. and becoming a centimillionaire/billionaire at <40-45yo...than does a kid of same description growing up in London/Munich/Frankfurt...or Podunk EU....would eval how many self-made, <45yo guys worth >$100MM are in SF/NYC regions vs London/Munich, etc.....




    If we leave out the part of potentially becoming a centimillionaire/billionaire, I would def say that the possibility of "making it", regardless of background, is much better here (at least in my part of EU) than anywhere in the US.

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    WBH said:
    Houses.....cost of newly-built houses of similar qual construc/HVAC/tech systems on prime, comparably-sized land in most affluent areas of most economically-relevant urban regions of US vs EU....suspect US is 50% cheaper....(and from what I understand, even w/nearly unlim resources and at 2X cost of NYC/CA, Lond's hedge fund kings often don't have state-of-art HVAC in their W End houses/offices/restaurants.... )




    Ok, you might be right about prices. However, from my experience, in the US you need at least a multimillion$ home to obtain the same kind of quality that you'd get even in "average" houses in most of EU (Lond/GB is exception with very poor qual).

    Another thing I don't understand is the American fascination with HVAC. Sure, prop ventilation is important, but using the ventilation system for heating... No thanx.

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    WBH said:
    Healthcare: not many smart physicians available at any price in most of US/EU (and most of smarter physicians (for decades) for obvious economic/intellectual reasons haven't wanted to be mere primary care physicians); even in US, vast majority of urban regions have weak healthcare at any price; not surprisingly, most smart physicians choose to practice/live in parts of urban regions where they are intellectually/economically challenged&satisfied.....would compare quality of healthcare available to affluent guy in SF/NYC/LA vs Lond/Munich at any price (on SF Peninsula, best physicians often don't accept any insurance; affluent customers pay by credit card and take whatever reimbursement high-end insurers will compensate)....IMO, prefer free-mkt pricing of talent....smart, affluent guys will pay whatever makes sense from a risk/reward standpoint to obtain healthcare from the best available physicians...but doubt many affluent guys in US/EU will choose to stand in line for their "free" healthcare from any physician/med ctr willing to accept poor renumeration from government or some low-end insurer....interestingly, SiliconValley's StanfordMedCtr and Boston's MassGeneral, etc rcv visits from many rather affluent guys from RoW (and rest of US), presumably seeking (at any price) world's best healthcare, esp. for complex situations....




    Maybe my social conscience is too well developed, but what about all the poor bastards who can't afford the best healthcare?
    I don't like this every-man-for-himself attitude that's so prevalent in the US. Proper healthcare and education should be available to everyone, even the poorest of the poor.

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    I suspect most of us on rennteam are centimillionaires already.

    Please recall that centi = 0.01
    Hecto (100) is the prefix you want WBH.

    mcdelaug

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    dhayek said:
    50k$ for an s5 that's a real bargain.. kudos to audi



    I just priced one with the stealership. S-Line and Conv. are standard. So a fully loaded car with Nav. Plus, B&0 and paint is $54900.00; quite impressive.

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    JohnJohn said:
    If we leave out the part of potentially becoming a centimillionaire/billionaire, I would def say that the possibility of "making it", regardless of background, is much better here (at least in my part of EU) than anywhere in the US.




    Can you elaborate? Why is wealth creation easier in your country than in ours?

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    JohnJohn said:
    Another thing I don't understand is the American fascination with HVAC. Sure, prop ventilation is important, but using the ventilation system for heating... No thanx.




    What do you use?

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    JohnJohn said:Maybe my social conscience is too well developed, but what about all the poor bastards who can't afford the best healthcare?
    I don't like this every-man-for-himself attitude that's so prevalent in the US. Proper healthcare and education should be available to everyone, even the poorest of the poor.


    Maybe you watch too much CNN or BBC but the reality is that the poor are already getting the best care for free. How do I know this? Because my wife goes to the same first rate hospitals.

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    SoCal Alan said:
    Can you elaborate? Why is wealth creation easier in your country than in ours?




    Maybe I wasn't clear enough. If we leave out the potential for becoming billionaires, or creating serious wealth, I'd say it's easier here [at least in Sweden] to come from a poor background, get in to our top universities and create your own future - be it self-made billionaire or professional whatever.

    Why? Main reason probably because all education is free. But also because our whole society is much more oriented towards equal opportunities regardless of who you are.

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    SoCal Alan said:
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    JohnJohn said:
    Another thing I don't understand is the American fascination with HVAC. Sure, prop ventilation is important, but using the ventilation system for heating... No thanx.

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    What do you use?





    I/we up here use radiator/water based heating. My personal favorite is floor heating.

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    JohnJohn said:Maybe my social conscience is too well developed, but what about all the poor bastards who can't afford the best healthcare?
    I don't like this every-man-for-himself attitude that's so prevalent in the US. Proper healthcare and education should be available to everyone, even the poorest of the poor.


    Maybe you watch too much CNN or BBC but the reality is that the poor are already getting the best care for free. How do I know this? Because my wife goes to the same first rate hospitals.



    Yes, maybe I am watching too much CNN and BBC. I don't have a very positive view of the American healthcare system.

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    JohnJohn said:
    Maybe I wasn't clear enough. If we leave out the potential for becoming billionaires, or creating serious wealth, I'd say it's easier here [at least in Sweden] to come from a poor background, get in to our top universities and create your own future - be it self-made billionaire or professional whatever.

    Why? Main reason probably because all education is free. But also because our whole society is much more oriented towards equal opportunities regardless of who you are.




    Anybody who works hard can succeed. It helps if you start young. Go to school, get good grades, go to college get good grades. Go to work, work hard. Not really complicated. That's what I did. I did not go to private schools. But the key once you get an education, is that you have to work hard. Or, are damn lucky. Either way, when you get to point that you can earn a living, the key is that the country you are in has to provide an environment where the company you work for or the company you start/own can grow with minimal government interference. Is that the way it is in Sweden? Are there a lot of rules/regulations/taxes/unions/mandatory health care/workers comp/maternity & paternity leave/ etc. etc. that would prevent/limit growth of that company? With all these burdens, it would be difficult to grow and build wealth for expansion, more job creation, etc.,

    Also, there shouldn't be punitive taxes so that wealth creation for the middle income and upper middle income earners is hampered. AMT/dividend/capital gains taxes are still too high.

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    JohnJohn said:
    I/we up here use radiator/water based heating. My personal favorite is floor heating.




    Tell me more. Are you talking about radiant heating for the floors? The reason I'm interested is because I'm currently in the middle of designing my new home and I have to decide on radiant heating (no air conditioning) or forced air unit which includes the duct work for heating and air conditioning. However, after the latest heat wave here in California, air conditioning is a must, IMHO.

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    JohnJohn said:
    Yes, maybe I am watching too much CNN and BBC. I don't have a very positive view of the American healthcare system.



    You should talk to people who "have feet on the ground". The news will tell/show you a picture which is different than what really is. But you already know that.

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    SoCal Alan said:

    Anybody who works hard can succeed. It helps if you start young. Go to school, get good grades, go to college get good grades. Go to work, work hard. Not really complicated. That's what I did. I did not go to private schools. But the key once you get an education, is that you have to work hard. Or, are damn lucky. Either way, when you get to point that you can earn a living, the key is that the country you are in has to provide an environment where the company you work for or the company you start/own can grow with minimal government interference. Is that the way it is in Sweden? Are there a lot of rules/regulations/taxes/unions/mandatory health care/workers comp/maternity & paternity leave/ etc. etc. that would prevent/limit growth of that company? With all these burdens, it would be difficult to grow and build wealth for expansion, more job creation, etc.,

    Also, there shouldn't be punitive taxes so that wealth creation for the middle income and upper middle income earners is hampered. AMT/dividend/capital gains taxes are still too high.




    Of course, if you work hard all your life success will surely follow (unless you're a stupid hard worker). What I'm getting at is that I think you have to work harder in the US to come to a position where you have the possibilities to create your own future.

    If we're talking about being a successful entrepreneur, building a business, etc, then America is much better. We have a lot of regulations, high taxes, strong unions, laws regulating job security (which means it's difficult to "get rid of" old/long time employees to hire someone better/new competence needed instead of the old), child leave, etc. However, the company doesn't have to pay for healthcare/dental, it's paid for by the governemt, as is the compensation given to the employee during child leave and sick leave.

    So, for someone only interested in wealth creation I'm sure America is better.

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    Tell me more. Are you talking about radiant heating for the floors? The reason I'm interested is because I'm currently in the middle of designing my new home and I have to decide on radiant heating (no air conditioning) or forced air unit which includes the duct work for heating and air conditioning. However, after the latest heat wave here in California, air conditioning is a must, IMHO.




    I guess that's what you call it - radiant floor heating. It's basically a long tube system built into the floor which then lets the floor serve as a radiator/heating surface. Pros are: very even and constant temperature in the whole house, plus the very nice feeling of walking on a heated floor in the winter time. The one con I can think of is that it's a slow system. So if there's a sudden cold snap it'll take about half a day to a day for the system to adjust to the new temperature. But given how nice it is with heated floors when it's cold I don't care.

    Found a Swedish supplier with some information in English:
    http://www.thermotech.se/508.html

    Let me know if there's anything else you have questions about regarding floor heating.

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    At that starting price my guess it's probably be free as a used car, if you could wait and buy a used one.

    DAMN thats a good price, we almost can't buy anithing descent for that cash here!

     
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