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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Whoopsy

    And talking about Singer. Rob Dickinson is also in town to promote his cars. Singer will have something really special coming, more R than the 911R, all I can sayangry

     

    Is it still cosworth or they moved to another builder? I knew they were negotiating to a noter engine builder while back


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Adam2S:
    Gnil:
    Cazooch:

    http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/chris-harris-drives-aston-v12-vantage-s-vs-porsche-911-r

    It would be such a waste if Porsche does not allow people to buy a 911 that feels like the R .....

    I like the Aston Smiley

    Yup, me too which is why I have one on order - due mid November now. Smiley

    Although its clear the 911R had the edge out of the two cars for Harris, he really loved both of them and the Aston has some very endearing attributes in its own right.

    When you consider that you can just buy the Aston new for list (+/- some haggling), and unless you were either one of the very lucky few who were allowed to buy a 991R new, or are prepared to spend insane amounts of cash on a flipped one, then in bang for the buck terms the Aston holds its head pretty high and is still a special car. It is also quite probably is the last production car we will see with a n/a V12 engine and manual gearbox. Smiley

    great choice. if I was in a position to choose between the R and the VantageS, I would also go for the vantage. whilke not the better car, the sum of its parts make it more special than the R. furthermore, there will be more porsches like the R in the future as the NA flat six will still be with us for a while, while the NA V12 is the last of its kind.

    that's also the reason I am happy with my rapideS....not better than a panamera for sure, but feels 10 times as special and is a keeper as well.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Targa Tim:
    vantagesc:
    nberry:

    Interesting. Pay more money for less performance but more feel.

    Does price always have to equate to performance?  Your Targa must have cost pretty close to the price of a GT3.  Far heavier car, less feel, less noise. 

    Not a fair comparison.  A big portion of money in the Targa is for open top driving enjoyment.

    For the 2 cars in comparison, 991R vs new 991.2 Carrera S, both hard top coupes, one with NA 500hp manual, the other with turbo 420hp PDK at much cheaper price.

    I do not see the value of this 991R at all, other than keeping it to flip some day.  Carrera S can be ordered in manual and can do everything that the R can do in terms of driving.

    I was planning to add a 991.2 GT3 manual, but not too sure after seeing these track times.  If PDK is that much faster on track, then a cheap Carrera S PDK will do.  But since I prefer manual shift on track for fun, and every new PDK cars will pass me anyway, then I might as well just stick to my slow 3.8RS.  For street driving, none of the above discussion is necessary as my old club coupe has enough hp to get me into trouble.

    Tim, get the GT3.2 it will be a monster. 4Lwith a race engine close to 500hp. PDK-S is fabulous. Without a doubt the GT3 is the most exciting car I have ever owned. If you're into manual I'll bet it will be the same as the one in the R. Imagine all this for less than $150,000!Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    nberry:

    Tim, get the GT3.2 it will be a monster. 4Lwith a race engine close to 500hp. PDK-S is fabulous. Without a doubt the GT3 is the most exciting car I have ever owned. If you're into manual I'll bet it will be the same as the one in the R. Imagine all this for less than $150,000!Smiley

    Nick, I agree with you that it will be a monster at an acceptable price.  But if I get manual, I will get passed by a Carrera S PDK on track and it may not be a good feeling.  Still got lots of time to decide.  As Whoopsy said, we don't need any reason to buy another car anyway, right?Smiley


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    Tim, your number are off. The Carrera S PDK did the ring 7.32. The .1GT3 7.25 the .2GT3 should get under 7.20. MT only slows you down by a couple of seconds.kiss

    Do yourself a favor. Drive a 991GT3. All reason goes out the window.indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    nberry:

    Tim, your number are off. The Carrera S PDK did the ring 7.32. The .1GT3 7.25 the .2GT3 should get under 7.20. MT only slows you down by a couple of seconds.kiss

    Do yourself a favor. Drive a 991GT3. All reason goes out the window.indecision

    Yeah, but what happens if you put the same tires on the Carrara S? Over a 7 minute lap, those tires will add up a lot. CS with the GT3 tires is probably already in the mid-7:20s.


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    Driving a GT3 is VERY different from driving a Carrera S.

    If you drive them both back-to-back the differences are clear.

    No GT3 owner I know ever wished they were driving a Carrera S.

    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    martini964:

    Whoopsy

    And talking about Singer. Rob Dickinson is also in town to promote his cars. Singer will have something really special coming, more R than the 911R, all I can sayangry

     

    Is it still cosworth or they moved to another builder? I knew they were negotiating to a noter engine builder while back

     

    Sorry, privileged information Smiley

    I am not gonna be the first client to leak that info. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    So what Singer are you building? Have pics?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Whoopsy:
    martini964:

    Whoopsy

    And talking about Singer. Rob Dickinson is also in town to promote his cars. Singer will have something really special coming, more R than the 911R, all I can sayangry

     

    Is it still cosworth or they moved to another builder? I knew they were negotiating to a noter engine builder while back

    Sorry, privileged information Smiley

    I am not gonna be the first client to leak that info. Smiley

    Williams?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Ed Pink??


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    Whoopsy:
     

    I am not gonna be the first client to leak that info. Smiley

     

    Same old 3 questions : When will you get it ? What color ? And which car does it replace ?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Driving a GT3 is VERY different from driving a Carrera S.

    If you drive them both back-to-back the differences are clear.

    No GT3 owner I know ever wished they were driving a Carrera S.

    Smiley I should know. Presently driving a 2017 Carrera S and I can't wait to get back into a GT3. The driving experience is vastly different. The GT3 is significantly more exciting to drive at all speeds.   


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    One starts to wonder why you sold the GT3 while praising it so? 


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    He already explained it. He got good money for it and wanted to try the Targa...


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    Ok. I seem to remember posts about not being able to use the GT3 to its full capacity on normal San Diego roads, it is a track car, etc. But maybe I am mistaken indecision


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    The GT3 is not a track car, it is a road car that won't desintegrate at the track...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    noone1:

    So what Singer are you building? Have pics?

     

    Not building yet. They have 2 that pegged my interest. But I am also more interested in the one that's coming down the pipeline, that one will be a build if it's a go for me.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    964C2:

    Ed Pink??

    Ed Pink has replaced Cosworth for all the current Singer models' engines (for a year or two now).  I also heard rumors of Williams or another F1 competitor making a special version for Singer.  I like the 911R reference - would love to see a Singer with lighter weight and more performance focus.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Grant:
    964C2:

    Ed Pink??

    Ed Pink has replaced Cosworth for all the current Singer models' engines (for a year or two now).  I also heard rumors of Williams or another F1 competitor making a special version for Singer.  I like the 911R reference - would love to see a Singer with lighter weight and more performance focus.


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    That's what I'd heard as well.

    A modern version of this would be nice! (That rev'd to 9000 and forced you to drive the snot out of it to truly feel alive).


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Well they need to find a way to justify their ever increasing prices angry


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Boyko23:
    Ziggy:
    Porker:
    nberry:

    These numbers do not look good for a $200,000 car. Its slower than other Porsche models which are $50,000 less. Goes to show you what marketing can do. One cannot account for blind gullibility.cheeky

    In my opinion, if you're the person to judge a 911R on numbers, you're not the person for whom a 911R is intended.

    The issue is the high price tag, for this price one expects the emotion and fun this car advertises and delivers, and the performance, at least better performance than the standard 911s, even though they may never be used. It is similar to buying the latest iPhone, one may not use all the capabilities, but since it is a premium product at a premium price, one expects premium specs.

    The performance is there. But 911R was made for these, who wanted more purist 911, sacrificing some of the numbers on PAPER.

    Every modern 911 (not to talk about last gen turbo ones) will be faster than 911R and that was to be expected from the very beginning…

    911R has to be driven to be judged properly, not just timed… 

    I expected it to be slower that the other GTx models but not the regular 911 in GTS form.  This is a show stopper for me.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Grant:
    964C2:

    Ed Pink??

    Ed Pink has replaced Cosworth for all the current Singer models' engines (for a year or two now).  I also heard rumors of Williams or another F1 competitor making a special version for Singer.  I like the 911R reference - would love to see a Singer with lighter weight and more performance focus.

     

     

    http://ruf-automobile.de/en/modell/ruf-scr-4-2/

    Ruf already stuck a 4.2l 997GT3 motor in a 964 chassis in his Singer homage, maybe Singer are going to do the same. A 4.5l GT3 Mezger in a mega lightweight Singer would be a bit of a beast Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    SciFrog:

    Well they need to find a way to justify their ever increasing prices angry

    Not as long as they have a multi-year waiting list...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    SciFrog:

    Well they need to find a way to justify their ever increasing prices angry

    When you see the price of this upcoming model you will really blow your gasket!


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    crayphile:
    SciFrog:

    Well they need to find a way to justify their ever increasing prices angry

    When you see the price of this upcoming model you will really blow your gasket!

    Can you elaborate a bit on that upcoming model? Very curious what they're up to, can't really see a niche they're not filling given you can tailor your Singer to your requirements.;Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Porker:
    crayphile:
    SciFrog:

    Well they need to find a way to justify their ever increasing prices angry

    When you see the price of this upcoming model you will really blow your gasket!

    Can you elaborate a bit on that upcoming model? Very curious what they're up to, can't really see a niche they're not filling given you can tailor your Singer to your requirements.;Smiley

    I have said nothing SmileySmiley. Please refer to @Grant's comments earlier in this thread which are accurate.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    bluelines:

    Ok. I seem to remember posts about not being able to use the GT3 to its full capacity on normal San Diego roads, it is a track car, etc. But maybe I am mistaken indecision

    You are correct. I had problems with usability. But after driving the Targa (I love thew open top driving), I rather drive a GT3 or RS because they are so much more exciting to drive.

    But the biggest reason for me to sell was the confirmation of a .2GT3. I knew there would be a fire sale once it is announced. Already, I see GT3's being unloaded. Smiley


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