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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    ..almost 10 years ago...

    1305812834409Fernando-Alonso 2002.jpg


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    He looked happier then than now

    alonso.jpg


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    reginos:

    He looked happier then than now

    alonso.jpg

     Yeh, but he's also just seen Arnie's maid in your pic. Smiley


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    fritz I love you. In a non Arnie way.


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    fritz:
    reginos:

    He looked happier then than now

    alonso.jpg

     Yeh, but he's also just seen Arnie's maid in your pic. Smiley

    ..or Strauss-Kahn coming out of the bathroom


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Carlos from Spain:
    On the other hand, Ferrari needs a driver like Alonso who can develop a car and more importantly lead and develop a team like Schumacher did when he came in. So this deal makes a lot of sense and was probabl very easy to negotiate. Only problem is for the second driver, who ever comes after Massa has got to know that Ferrari & Alonso have a clear  "first and second driver" way of doing things.

     

    I will have to diasagree, it's engineers that lead the development, not drivers! Take Brawn for example. They built a winning car and they won. Next year they were nowhere! The same with Red Bull. Newey builds great cars and they win, irrespectively of the drivers! They would have won with Alonso, Hamilton or even Massa in the car!

    As both Rob Smedley and Felippe Massa said recently, the car is the most important element and the car derives from the engineers! 

    Barichello told a great truth some years ago. He said that Schumachers great strenght was his driving skills and workaholic mentality. Ferrari provided him with a fantastic car, as per his wishes, and all he had to do was to drive like a madman! That certainly seems to be true! Look where Mercedes is this year? Where is the great leader that would rejuvenate the team? Truth be told, there never was such a thing! It's all down to the engineers!!!


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    IMO the drivers play an important part in the feedback they give the engineers for them to work with, unfortunately in todays aerodinamics in F1 cars and years to year changing regulations, sometimes a single element gives such a huge advantage that everything else in shadowed, like a rear diffuser or a flexible front wing, but in the "long run" a good lead driver is necesary to hold the team together and in the same direction, and also help development of the car, for a good run like Schumacher had, everything needs to click together.


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    Atzporsche:

    fritz I love you. In a non Arnie way.

    That's why  -  no matter how ugly I am  -  I'm not having your baby!    Smiley 

     


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    Carlos from Spain:

    IMO the drivers play an important part in the feedback they give the engineers for them to work with, unfortunately in todays aerodinamics in F1 cars and years to year changing regulations, sometimes a single element gives such a huge advantage that everything else in shadowed, like a rear diffuser or a flexible front wing, but in the "long run" a good lead driver is necesary to hold the team together and in the same direction, and also help development of the car, for a good run like Schumacher had, everything needs to click together.

    I would add that no one with a bad car can win the Title no matter how gifted as a driver he might be (e.g. Ayrton Senna with Lotus). A mediocre driver cannot win the Title also, even in a very good car (e.g. Irvine, Coulthard and perhaps Barichello)

    So any championship contender team needs a good car and a good driver. Some of the good drivers also give input into the design and set-up (Schumacher) whilst others just drive fast (Railkkonen).

    The optimum is a good design, reliability and a good driver with analytical ability who is a team player  too. That was the equation during the Schumacher-Ferrari era and during the Renault-Alonso winning years.

    By definition motorsport is a man and machine  sport. Therefore you need both elements to succeed.


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Alonso really has aged - he is still a young man - but he looks like he carries such a mental burden within himself - he clearly mulls over issues in his life a great deal - and I think it means he is a very analytical and reflective man.


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Live Practice text commentary

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9489157.stm


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    reginos:

    I would add that no one with a bad car can win the Title no matter how gifted as a driver he might be (e.g. Ayrton Senna with Lotus). A mediocre driver cannot win the Title also, even in a very good car (e.g. Irvine, Coulthard and perhaps Barichello)

    So any championship contender team needs a good car and a good driver. Some of the good drivers also give input into the design and set-up (Schumacher) whilst others just drive fast (Railkkonen).

    The optimum is a good design, reliability and a good driver with analytical ability who is a team player  too. That was the equation during the Schumacher-Ferrari era and during the Renault-Alonso winning years.

    By definition motorsport is a man and machine  sport. Therefore you need both elements to succeed.

     

    I agree 100% and the Schumacher vs Raikoinen is the perfect example.


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    More reaction to Alonso's long term deal

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/05/paddock-reaction-to-alonsos-new-five-year-ferrari-deal/


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    easy_rider911:

    Alonso really has aged - he is still a young man - but he looks like he carries such a mental burden within himself - he clearly mulls over issues in his life a great deal - and I think it means he is a very analytical and reflective man.

    Indeed, these guys are perfectionists to the extreme and neurotic personality types. They dwell and dwell over every detail, give everything extra importance, get frustated with themselves and those around him easily, are very focused, and are competitive in everything they do..  and that takes a toll. Some learn to hide it better than others and decreases with age (i.e. Schumacher 10 years ago vs today) but you see that reflected in many F1 drivers since that is what it takes to perform at the level they do Smiley


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    1st, 2nd & 3rd Practice lap times

    news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/results/9418511.stm 


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Qualification lap times

    news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/results/9418513.stm 


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Yes! Go webber :)
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    Happy about Webber being first.

    And Ferrari really is in trouble this season, as well as I think MS should retire more sooner than later.


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    Good for Webber to bring a fight, Vettel will enjoy it.

    Anyone else notice the stale ranking of the pack. It's always very damn similar. Look where McLaren, Ferrari and MB are floating...

    But nice to see Toro Rosso and Sauber tasting some points, and that Williams did great too!!


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    Rossi:

    Happy about Webber being first.

    And Ferrari really is in trouble this season, as well as I think MS should retire more sooner than later.

     

    Smiley So much for the second driver, ha! mosking.gif Call me distrustfull but somehow I don't think Webber's car is going to run as well as Vettel's come race day though spy.gif

     

    Alonso's Ferrari was one full second behind Webber's RB, there is no way you can present a fight with those differences between cars. What I don't get is why Massa was one full second behind Alonso with the same car Smiley


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    Awesome!


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     What a pathetic show from Ferrari, they should pack up and come back for next season already. Massa was already lapped by 2/3 into the race, and Alonso's Ferrari was 3 seconds off the lead pace with the hard tires (Ferrari's worst proble, achieveing enough temp and grip with the hard tires), and also got lapped by the end, it doesn't matter what brilliant driving he did during the start of the race. The team should be embarrased to show up to the race with such a car. Its not even reliable, Massa's gearbox did not last its 5 race life  cycle. Sad, sad, sad...

     

    Too bad Hamilton didn't have an extra 0,2 secs towards the end of the race. He is one the drivers I dislike the most because of his race manners and spoled brat antics inside the team but you have to give credit were its due, he is driving 110% out of that McLaren and has shown the most so far this season of any driver. He seems like a different much more matured and centered driver than in his previous seasons.


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    A thrilling race - great start from Alonso, great drives from Vettel, Hamilton, Button ... brilliant recovery drive from Heidfeld ...

    Brilliant that Di Resta, Perez and Maldonado all (rookies) who outshone their more experienced team mates ...

    Ferrari need to find speed ... Schumi beats Rosberg at last ...

    How embarrassing that RBR still can't get KERS to work reliably ...


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    "Yabba dabba dee, ring-a-ding-ding"

    What on earth is Vettel saying ... ? He's a nice guy but very odd ... 


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    It's been really great watching the race on a widescreen TV, with the BBC F1 driver tracker & Official Formula 1 Live Timing data feed on my Mac 

    It felt like being on the pit wall 


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    And now the BBC F1 Forum chit chat ... a perfect Sunday afternoon  


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    easy_rider911:

    "Yabba dabba dee, ring-a-ding-ding"

    What on earth is Vettel saying ... ? He's a nice guy but very odd ... 

    It isn't so odd to express enthusiasm and joy  in whatever way when you win in sport. If you are 24 and top at your sport you cannot hold your emotion.

    IMO Vettel is a refreshing personality in F1.

    I was also very happy to see British born Cypriot Peter Prodromou on the podium for the first time. He is the Head of Aerodynamics under Adrian Newey, ex-McLaren too Smiley


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Carlos from Spain:

     What a pathetic show from Ferrari, they should pack up and come back for next season already.

    I think LdiM must dismiss them all and build a new team around Alonso. BTW that is how Ferrari were in the past years between the Lauda years in the 70s and the Schumacher era Smiley

    Of course, beating Adrian Newey's new masterpiece is a tall order, but McLaren and to a lesser extend Mercedes GP at least try. Ferrari appear that they have already accepted fate.

    I am a big admirer of Newey, although most F1 followers are not familiar with him, like with other F1 chiefs of the past. He was also the man behind the dominant Williams and McLaren-Mercedes of the 90s

     


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    I was thinking those two exact same things, LdiM needs to roll some heads, some people need to go, and that  those left get their act together, and I can't remember how long ago Ferrari was so much off the pace. If it weren't for Alonso, they would look like their even behind Lotus. I say that for starters they need to hire someone like Briatori for Team Boss and let him do the cleaning up and run the ship.


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    Re: 2011 Spanish F1 Grand Prix in Barcelona

    Carlos from Spain:

     

    Too bad Hamilton didn't have an extra 0,2 secs towards the end of the race. He is one the drivers I dislike the most because of his race manners and spoled brat antics inside the team but you have to give credit were its due, he is driving 110% out of that McLaren and has shown the most so far this season of any driver. He seems like a different much more matured and centered driver than in his previous seasons.

     

    You are actually describing Alonso there, not Hamilton. :)

    A great driver do what Hamilton do, extract 110% from the race car that was given to him, no matter how fast or slow the car is. Alonso on the other hand just resigned to be driving a so so car, he has no intention to push the car to the max, know the max is not good enough.

    Ever since Alonso arrived at Ferrari, they never match the pace of the Red Bulls, while Hamilton did in a McLaren.  Are the McLarens that much better than the Ferraris? I don't think so, I think they are comparable in pace given an equal driver, the difference is only how much the respective driver getting out of the car. Even Button can get more out of his car than Alonso.

    Alonso at Renault when he was dominant, he had brilliant people setting the car for him while at Ferrari the talent isn't there, he has to rely on himself, and his shortcoming is showing,


     
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