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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Crankcase damage would release oil, possibly onto the exhaust which could easily ignite.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:
    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.

    Thats correct, you have still meet the products terms. Then chase Porsche for it.


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    GT3 pick up?, when P find a fix..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    throt:
    nberry:
    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.

    Thats correct, you have still meet the products terms. Then chase Porsche for it.

    I would have canceled my order and demand my deposit back.  There is strong justification for doing so.

    Subsequently, either buy something else or wait until the GT3 is sorted and proven.

    Why bother with a dubious product at this stage?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:
    throt:
    nberry:
    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.

    Thats correct, you have still meet the products terms. Then chase Porsche for it.

    I would have canceled my order and demand my deposit back.  There is strong justification for doing so.

    Subsequently, either buy something else or wait until the GT3 is sorted and proven.

    Why bother with a dubious product at this stage?

    I'm waiting reginos.. It's one hell of a car judging by reports,, without the fires of course..


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    GT3 pick up?, when P find a fix..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:
    throt:
    nberry:
    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.

    Thats correct, you have still meet the products terms. Then chase Porsche for it.

    I would have canceled my order and demand my deposit back.  There is strong justification for doing so.

    Subsequently, either buy something else or wait until the GT3 is sorted and proven.

    Why bother with a dubious product at this stage?

    All this based on one recall?

     How about we get the facts first then decide.  Canceling now is an emotional response and not logical until the full scope of the defect is uncovered.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Below a letter from Porsche to a GT3 owner. Posted on another forum.

    Your Porsche XXX
    Porsche VIN: XXXX

    Dear Mr Customer,

    Media reports are currently in circulation regarding engine problems that may cause a fire on new 911 GT3 vehicles and we apologise unreservedly for the fact that you may have learned of this from a third party rather than directly from Porsche.

    At this point, we would like to update you on the situation and provide you with additional information about our current findings and how we intend to proceed. 

    In Europe, two vehicles were found to have engine damage - the crankcase was significantly damaged. Leaking engine oil ignited on the hot engine components, causing the vehicles to catch fire. This did not cause an accident or result in personal injury of any kind.

    Since safety is the top priority at Porsche, the vehicles were examined on-site by specialists immediately after the damage occurred and were then analysed at the factory by Porsche engineers.
    On 11.02.2014, Porsche decided to stop delivery of the 911 GT3 until further notice.

    Porsche is working intensively on analysing the engine problems to ensure that the cause is fully understood and corrected for the long-term. This work is extensive and time-consuming and regrettably may take some time. 

    For safety reasons, Porsche strongly advises you not to drive your vehicle until further notice. 

    We will keep you informed about further progress in this matter and contact you to arrange collection of your vehicle to the Centre should any identified work need to be carried out. 

    The required transportation of the vehicle, storage of the vehicle in the Porsche Centre and any required repair measures that are carried out will of course be free of charge.

    Porsche is critically aware that because of this situation, we have failed to meet your expectations and we realise this may impact on your participation in motor racing events. 

    We are currently working on an appropriate compensation offer for any inconvenience that this may cause.

    We will continue to keep you informed about new findings, however should you have any immediate questions please contact your Porsche Centre directly or alternatively call the Porsche Customer Assistance Centre on 0118 9191740.

    We again apologise for the delay in communication and inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    GT3 pick up?, when P find a fix..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Is that really legit?  Seems a bit off to me.  Anyway, if so, either the engine threw a rod or the crankcase is defected and spontaneously failed.  Any other ways a crankcase can fail? 

    Also, since the crankcase is shared with the Carrera, if the cases were shoddy, I'd think we would have already run into failures with those cars. . . which leads to. . . . Ugh.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Is there any reason to believe the letter is not legitimate? I'm asking, not trying to be provocative.  I ask because this suggests there is more involved than a bolt coming lose.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    throt:
    reginos:
    throt:
    nberry:
    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.

    Thats correct, you have still meet the products terms. Then chase Porsche for it.

    I would have canceled my order and demand my deposit back.  There is strong justification for doing so.

    Subsequently, either buy something else or wait until the GT3 is sorted and proven.

    Why bother with a dubious product at this stage?

    I'm waiting reginos.. It's one hell of a car judging by reports,, without the fires of course..

    If "my" car was produced already and had to be modified in any way, I would definitely pass. If production was for later, I'd balance matters depending on the nature of the fault. But why not wait for next MY, anyway to see how things are evolving?

    A  GT3 is definitely a great car, no doubt about it.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    I say its authentic. I should be getting something soon, via a call or a letter. Their probably sorting out the guys who have taken delivery.

    Myself was expecting delivery late March to early April but i have heard nothing.


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    GT3 pick up?, when P find a fix..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    If it is authentic then Porsche should be complimented. It is exactly what they needed to do.

    That said, the language indicating it could take some time to determine the cause and that Porsche will compensate is not reassuring to those of us hoping to see our cars any time soon. It appears this will take awhile.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:
    throt:
    reginos:
    throt:
    nberry:
    ag23:

    Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car?  How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?

    If you were my client I would advise you ask Porsche for your financial loss while the car is being repaired.

    Thats correct, you have still meet the products terms. Then chase Porsche for it.

    I would have canceled my order and demand my deposit back.  There is strong justification for doing so.

    Subsequently, either buy something else or wait until the GT3 is sorted and proven.

    Why bother with a dubious product at this stage?

    I'm waiting reginos.. It's one hell of a car judging by reports,, without the fires of course..

    If "my" car was produced already and had to be modified in any way, I would definitely pass. If production was for later, I'd balance matters depending on the nature of the fault. But why not wait for next MY, anyway to see how things are evolving?

    A  GT3 is definitely a great car, no doubt about it.

    Mine is spec locked but yet to be built. I get your point though and probably a few have been on the phone trying to pull the plug on their order. But this is the UK and they would just simply say "well you will loose your 10K if you cancel",, even though one would have a good argument.


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    GT3 pick up?, when P find a fix..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    If it is authentic then Porsche should be complimented. It is exactly what they needed to do.

    That said, the language indicating it could take some time to determine the cause and that Porsche will compensate is not reassuring to those of us hoping to see our cars any time soon. It appears this will take awhile.

    Hi Nick, the guys are saying the same after reading their letters, substantial crankcase damage.


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    GT3 pick up?, when P find a fix..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    throt:
     

    Mine is spec locked but yet to be built. I get your point though and probably a few have been on the phone trying to pull the plug on their order. But this is the UK and they would just simply say "well you will loose your 10K if you cancel",, even though one would have a good argument.

    That's a great relief. A narrow escape!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    “It’s not a recall in the strict sense of the word. We’re offering customers the opportunity to bring the car back.”

    Sorry, but this statement is very funny. If this not a recall, then what is?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:

    “It’s not a recall in the strict sense of the word. We’re offering customers the opportunity to bring the car back.”

    Sorry, but this statement is very funny. If this not a recall, then what is?

    That statement is laughable - we recommend you don't even drive the car to the dealership, but it's not a recall.  This is typical for Porsche, and a couple of other German firms, to never acknowledge fault. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Just a bunch of word gymnastics. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:

    “It’s not a recall in the strict sense of the word. We’re offering customers the opportunity to bring the car back.”

    Sorry, but this statement is very funny. If this not a recall, then what is?

    The exptession "recall" in its strict sense is a mandatory instruction sanctioned by an authority responsible for the Type Approval or Certification of road vehicles in the market(s) concerned. It is just often misused by the public to refer to any kind of field campaign relating to motor vehicles.
    In this instance, Porsche has voluntarily started its own safety campaign to examine and, if found necessary, rectify a possible fault, without waiting for any authority to become actively involved.

    Porsche cannot legally compel customers to return cars which have already been delivered to them, but they are recommending it and have explained the background to this recommendation and confirmed that any work necessary will be free-of-charge to the customer.

    So it is quite correct to say that “It’s not a recall in the strict sense of the word".


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    fritz


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Generally a recall is issued if the manufacturer has identified a problem common to the model and has a fix for it. In this case, Porsche does not know what the problem is and whether it involves all the 991 GT3's produced to date.

    For now it can't be a recall.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.

    Is it "Being Negative Week" in Cyprus? Smiley

    The remedy is unknown because they have not identified the underlying problem. Or if there actually is a common problem. Meanwhile Porsche has executed disaster management to limit further personal injuries, financial and reputational damages.

    This is not worse than a recall. It could turn out the burnt cars are a freak coincidence up to the new GT3 engine is a lemon. Time will tell. Until then, don't drive it.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    bluelines:
     

    Is it "Being Negative Week" in Cyprus? Smiley

     

    lol.. No, I'd suggest it's 'being real' week in Cyprus... They've only just opened the can of worms at Porsche. Nobody takes action this extreme and damaging to reputation if it's not serious...Smiley 24

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.

    That depends on how long it takes to establish a remedy and on what will be involved in implementing that remedy.


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    fritz


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    bluelines:
    reginos:

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.

    Is it "Being Negative Week" in Cyprus? Smiley

    Rather a "Negative Week in Weissach" Smiley

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    fritz:
    reginos:

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.

    That depends on how long it takes to establish a remedy and on what will be involved in implementing that remedy.

    Could they trace the problem conclusively, provided that the 2 damaged cars were totally burnt at the back where the engine is located?


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    reginos:
    fritz:
    reginos:

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.

    That depends on how long it takes to establish a remedy and on what will be involved in implementing that remedy.

    Could they trace the problem conclusively, provided that the 2 damaged cars were totally burnt at the back where the engine is located?

    They have every incentive to trace it quickly and conclusively with 800 cars parked on the front lawn (figuratively speaking). 


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    fritz


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    fritz:
    reginos:
    fritz:
    reginos:

    Thank you for clarifying the semantics. I gather that this situation is worst than a recall,as the remedy is probably still unknown.

    That depends on how long it takes to establish a remedy and on what will be involved in implementing that remedy.

    Could they trace the problem conclusively, provided that the 2 damaged cars were totally burnt at the back where the engine is located?

    They have every incentive to trace it quickly and conclusively with 800 cars parked on the front lawn (figuratively speaking). 


    Amen!


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    The worst thing would be that they announce a fix, then for another car to burn down. That would be unrecoverable from a PR stand point. So they need to take their time and get this right. But I'm sure I'm not the only potential buyer who has lost confidence and am no longer interested in the short term.

     
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