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    997 S Technical Specs

    997 S
    3.8 liters
    355 HP
    Bigger brakes
    19" wheels
    Active Suspension (3 settings)
    30 kg heavier than 996 C2
    Pictures in May
    Price increase Euro 12-15.000 over 996 C2

    7.56 lap time Ring (20.8 km) !!!!!!!!!!


    Boxster S
    280 HP
    Intro end of the year.

    997 Cab.
    Intro end of the year.

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    So than it's true the standard cars (narrow body) remain 320 HP, if the "S" has 355HP?

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    Ron (Houston) said:
    So than it's true the standard cars (narrow body) remain 320 HP, if the "S" has 355HP?



    I'm afraid...yes. But there still might be the chance of of slightly more, maybe around 330.

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    Slightly more than that I belive.
    I would guess 330-335 HP.

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    CF said:
    997 S
    3.8 liters
    355 HP
    Bigger brakes
    19" wheels
    Active Suspension (3 settings)
    30 kg heavier than 996 C2
    Pictures in May

    7.56 lap time Ring (20.8 km) !!!!!!!!!!


    Boxster S
    280 HP
    Intro end of the year.

    997 Cab.
    Intro end of the year.



    Thanks for the info, CF! I guess that active suspension must be really excellent (responsible in large part for the stunning laptimes)

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    so the base engine will be 3.6L

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    CF/RC
    Any news, whether/when a powerkit will be available for the S version. I hope so and don't see a reason why not.
    370 to 380 HP would cool.

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    Active suspensions? either Porsche has struck a MAYOR advancement in active suspension systems or its not what I was expecting. To my knowledge active suspensions were abandoned in true street sportcars (Lotus, Ferrari, Maseratit, etc) by the early 90's because they just weren't good enough sport performance wise compared to the traditional suspensions (in high cost & maintenance race cars such as F1 was another matter) and now only used by brands such a Citroen in their "activa" or by large heavy sedans to control body roll such as MB and BMW in their largest models.

    Nevertheless if Porsche is using it, I have absolute confidence it means they have made it work, but I am expecting a healthy pricetag, those things when deveopled for sportcar perfromance aren't cheap, so Euro 15k over the base 997C2 is quite a bargain since you get also a few more HP's, 19" wheels and other stuff (unless the 997C2 pricetag is increased greatly over the 996C2). I think there is a tunner that was developing one for the 996TT already.

    Do you know if it controls both spring and dampening rates? do you have any more info on the system?

    BTW the engine is confirmed then to be based on the current 3.6L 320HP M96.03 engine?

    I was saving up for a 997S ever since the first rumors about it came out long ago but I'm not convinced yet, I have to see behond paper specs.

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    Euro 12-15.000 mark up from 996 C2
    Don't know how the Suspension system works, but I am confident that you won't be dissapointed Carlos.
    No info of which engine it is based upon.

    This car will be a sure winner!!!!!!

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    CF said:
    Euro 12-15.000 mark up from 996 C2



    wow, I'm surprised! that is a bargain IMO.

    If 30Kg heavier than 996C2 then thats 1400Kg DIN , which is heavier than my AWD C4, and 80kg heavier than the '99 C2.

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    when will 997 "regular" specs come?

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    Beginning of May I guess.

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    If the Boxster will have 280HP the 997 will have 50/60 Hp more to keep the gap. So 330/340Hp should be the right number.

    J.Seven

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    J.Seven said:
    If the Boxster will have 280HP the 997 will have 50/60 Hp more to keep the gap. So 330/340Hp should be the right number.
    J.Seven



    I agree. And that makes the 997S only 15-20Hp more powerful which is not a problem for me at all if they make it up in the handling. But I'm worried how this underpowering philosophy of their models by Porsche will affect the 997S in sales, and the other model in the line up I guess. In the case of the 997S, they would need to market the 997S not as a powekit version of the 997C2 with some sport options available already to the 997 C2 as standard, but rather and a special handling package not available for the 997C2 in options (like the active suspensions), kind of like a more civilised and versatile GT3 with rear seats. It would be a mayor success.

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    Carlos - My understanding is that it won't be a true active suspension like the one you're talking about. Those had no traditional springs and dampers, but had hydraulics that were driven by computers.

    I think this "active" suspension is like the ones on Corvettes and Ferraris that give different shock setting to compensate for sport or comfort driving (Ferrari changes to firmer when you go fast or turn hard). They still use coil springs and shock absorbers. CF said there were three settings, while a true active suspension has infinite settings...

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    Grant said:
    Carlos - My understanding is that it won't be a true active suspension like the one you're talking about. Those had no traditional springs and dampers, but had hydraulics that were driven by computers.

    I think this "active" suspension is like the ones on Corvettes and Ferraris that give different shock setting to compensate for sport or comfort driving (Ferrari changes to firmer when you go fast or turn hard). They still use coil springs and shock absorbers. CF said there were three settings, while a true active suspension has infinite settings...



    I suppose it'll gonna be a system similar to the Cayenne with three settings (comfort-normal-sport). Probably with the same characteristics in PSM setup (when you turn off the PSM on the Cayenne Turbo, it changes from a sheep to a wolf, including a very aggressive shifting and throttle response, no kidding).

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    If you RC and CF didn't exist, they had to invent you!
    Thank you for your valuable information

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    Grant said:
    Carlos - My understanding is that it won't be a true active suspension like the one you're talking about. Those had no traditional springs and dampers, but had hydraulics that were driven by computers.

    I think this "active" suspension is like the ones on Corvettes and Ferraris that give different shock setting to compensate for sport or comfort driving (Ferrari changes to firmer when you go fast or turn hard). They still use coil springs and shock absorbers. CF said there were three settings, while a true active suspension has infinite settings...



    That makes sense Grant, I jumped inmediately into the real hydrolic "active suspension" like the ones used in F1 and other racing a while back before they were banned. I guess its just an "adaptive dampening" semi-active suspension really and its typical pre-set three different dampening positions. Thats not really a performance gain but rather just adds versatility since you can vary the shock's stiffness depending on your driving needs at various times.

    So how does this car manage to lap the ring in the same time as the Mk1 GT3?

    - its heavier,
    - its no more powerfull,
    - its has less agressive suspensions than the most radical of the n/a line-up, the GT3,
    - less aerodinamic aids (no aerokit I pressume),
    - same street tires (no R-compound Corsas or Pilot Sport Cups either),
    - ABS or LSD with PSM instead of agressive LSD with T/C, etc.

    So were is the trick? what does it have over the GT3 to compensate for all that?

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    i think the "S" at 15k more than the base carrea with those specs isnt a very good deal. it seems pretty close to whatt he base carrea will be and u can get options on the base to make it comparable to the S, but if the base has about 330 hp and the S has like 20 more thats not exactly alot.

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    So how does this car manage to lap the ring in the same time as the Mk1 GT3?

    - its heavier,
    - its no more powerfull,
    - its has less agressive suspensions than the most radical of the n/a line-up, the GT3,
    - less aerodinamic aids (no aerokit I pressume),
    - same street tires (no R-compound Corsas or Pilot Sport Cups either),
    - ABS or LSD with PSM instead of agressive LSD with T/C, etc.

    So were is the trick? what does it have over the GT3 to compensate for all that?




    Like Carlos, the specs and the lap times make no sense to me...

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    Is this S spec also for the C4 version too? When is that coming out? With the C2 and C2S (i.e. C4 and C4S) in May? This is not clear.

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    I think the lap times make sense. Think about it, almost the same power with most definitely much more torque from the 3.8L engine.

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    Like Carlos, the specs and the lap times make no sense to me...




    Once again, it's called EVOLUTION.

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    Active suspension hmmm...could be interesting.....
    My other car is a Volvo "R" and it has their 4C Active Suspension System, This system was developed together with Öhlins Racing AB. In FOUR-C, each shock absorber is regulated electronically and entirely individually. Damping is varied continuously with immense speed, from soft to hard in less than one twenty-fifth of a second. The driver does not even notice the change. Body and wheel movements are monitored continuously with the help of a number of sensors in the car. The sensors provide about 500 reading impulses a second, measuring parameters such as:
    The car's speed and acceleration
    Lateral acceleration (when taking a curve)
    The wheels' suspension movements
    The steering wheel's position and how fast it is turned
    The engine's current (calculated) torque
    The degree of braking

    It has 3 settings, Comfort, Sport and Advanced, and it worls amazingly well. In Advanced it makes my 911's ride seem tame in comparison, in particular the rebound aspect of the shocks, it really locks the car down.
    Also in advanced the ECU is remaped and engine responce is much more knife edge.
    I can see it working on a 997
    Comfort= Regular 996/997 setting
    Sport= ROW030
    Advanced= X74

    Ride heights would remain the same but the shock valving will give these effects depending upon conditiions....

    Guess well find out soon enough

    my .02

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    If I am not mistaking, haven't heard anyone else say it, but it sounds like the 997 S will be out from launch along with the 997 C2??? Pics in May!? I know I'll be up early every morning.

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    Any word on DSG gearbox and sports exhaust availability?

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    what is the 996 counterpart of 997 S, C2, C2s, c4 c4s or targa or what, thanks in advance

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    None.
    It's a new model line.
    New concept I believe.

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    RC, according to your sources, will there be another 6 cylinder 911? I hope so, an 8 seems stupid, they have more technology dont they? Direct injection n stuff? anyhow, I dont see why there cant be a 5.0 litre flat 6:))

    Re: 997 S Technical Specs

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    CF said:
    Once again, it's called EVOLUTION.



    Yes I agree. I'm not saying the rumor is 100% true but saying lap times are purely related to horsepower, weight, and aerodynamics is an oversimplification.

     
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