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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Per Autoblog, looks like BMW is going to cater to the US 'manly' buyers who wants wants to shift themselves with the manual transmission option.

    Seriously, are the US buyers stuck in last century? Did they even realize the world has moved on dual-clutch is the future?


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Yes, doesn`t make sence on this modern (super) cars to have manual transmission... 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Life is interesting because of options.  Excellent move by BMW to continue to offer manual transmission.


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    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2011 Panamera 4


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    I love it too, an automatic M5 is nonsense really..


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Last gen M5's V10 was developed with the gearing ratio of the SMG in mind, the 6-speed manual that was added later was just an off the shelf unit with gearing all wrong, negatively affecting performance.

    This time same thing is going to happen, there isn't a unit that would be a good match to the engine's performance, BMW is just going to put another off the shelf unit in the car, with the stronger engine I won't be surprised if BMW limit the engine output to protect the gearbox in the manual version, but at least the broad torque curve of the new twin turbo V8 is going to mask the unmatched gearbox's deficit.

    Since the world has moved onto faster shifting SMG and dual clutch gearboxes, no one is really developing manuals anymore, there really isn't a strong gearbox that can stand modern high output engines, especially for the high low end torque output of big capacity turbo engines.

     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Whoopsy:

    Last gen M5's V10 was developed with the gearing ratio of the SMG in mind, the 6-speed manual that was added later was just an off the shelf unit with gearing all wrong, negatively affecting performance.

    Since the world has moved onto faster shifting SMG and dual clutch gearboxes, no one is really developing manuals anymore, there really isn't a strong gearbox that can stand modern high output engines, especially for the high low end torque output of big capacity turbo engines.


    Are you saying there was a manual 6speed version made for the M5 V10 ???????? Or did I get you wrong??? I never heard that Smiley

    Well regarding Porsche, they actually have stronger manual versions than auto, just looks how much power the GT2RS makes with a manual box? And I´m sure it can stand +800Hp without any worries, something PDK can´t.

    J.Seven


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Whoopsy:

    Since the world has moved onto faster shifting SMG and dual clutch gearboxes, no one is really developing manuals anymore,  


    Sad isn't it, this is why I stay with Porsche.

    Like J. Seven said, the manual in GT2RS can still handle more hp than what the stock engine offers.

    The day when Porsche stop making manual will be the day I stop smiling when I drive.Smiley

    On the road or track, I will take a slower manual car over a faster auto/smg/pdk car any day.  But I can appreciate in real races for prize and money, the faster transmission car is preferred.


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    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2011 Panamera 4


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    BMW did mate a 6speed with the E60 M5, but it was only for the North American market. Same deal this time around, North American markets only again.

    The 6speed version of the E60 has a lowered redline to protect the gearbox, traction control also cannot be switched off to protect the clutch, in another words, the manual version was a neutered one.

    Transmission ratings are limit by torque, not HP.

    Regarding Porsche's manual transmissions, Porsche is not a high volume maker, their highest output, specifically torque output engines are putting down 700Nm, pretty much still within spec for the Getrag box, another thing is, 911 weights a lot less than big sedans like M5, even at the same torque output, there will still be less stress on the transmission on the Porsches.

     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Whoopsy:

    The 6speed version of the E60 has a lowered redline to protect the gearbox, traction control also cannot be switched off to protect the clutch, in another words, the manual version was a neutered one.


    I´m not doubting you, but it´s almost hard to believe BMW did such thing, having a manual box on this beast wih lower RPM limit and you can´t swicth off the TC is like dropping an autobox with three gears only, in a Lotus, it simply doesn´t make any sence.

    J.Seven


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Consider the American market though


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

     So when will the new M5 be revealed officially?  


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

     What happened? It's way past last Friday. 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    I belive a concept version will be shown this Friday April 1


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    BONES:

    I belive a concept version will be shown this Friday April 1

     

    Smiley


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    So it is not going to be showed on April Fools?  Im confused.Smiley 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    J.Seven:
    Whoopsy:

    The 6speed version of the E60 has a lowered redline to protect the gearbox, traction control also cannot be switched off to protect the clutch, in another words, the manual version was a neutered one.


    I´m not doubting you, but it´s almost hard to believe BMW did such thing, having a manual box on this beast wih lower RPM limit and you can´t swicth off the TC is like dropping an autobox with three gears only, in a Lotus, it simply doesn´t make any sence.

    J.Seven

     

    Haha, I know, but that's what the Americans wanted, they'd rather have a neutered manual version than a all-out SMG version. Weird people they are.


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Whoopsy:

    Haha, I know, but that's what the Americans wanted, they'd rather have a neutered manual version than a all-out SMG version. Weird people they are.

    To be fair to (North) Americans; some of the pressure to offer the M5 as a 6M was from potential owners concerned about the reliability, or driveability, of the SMG box... initial testing, and owner experience did suggest that these early SMG units did have issues on both these fronts.   I suspect these mixed owner opinions are partly why Porsche spent far more time in honing the PDK via testing, before finally releasing it. 


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    4trac:
    Whoopsy:

    Haha, I know, but that's what the Americans wanted, they'd rather have a neutered manual version than a all-out SMG version. Weird people they are.

    To be fair to (North) Americans; some of the pressure to offer the M5 as a 6M was from potential owners concerned about the reliability, or driveability, of the SMG box... initial testing, and owner experience did suggest that these early SMG units did have issues on both these fronts.   I suspect these mixed owner opinions are partly why Porsche spent far more time in honing the PDK via testing, before finally releasing it. 


    There were many SMG blowing when this car came out, is this problem already solved or is it risky to buy a second hand M5V10?

    J.Seven


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Atzporsche:

    I love it too, an automatic M5 is nonsense really..

     I think that for the first time in a while i disagree. The M5 is the kind of car you have for two reasons. 1. either you have other sportscars and want your daily driver to have power but still be usable and comfortable, a car where you can relax but still have pull when you need it. And 2. because you can't (for some reason) have 2 cars and would rather cover your bases with just one, again sometimes you're going to need it to be more usable than fun and here an auto comes in handy. 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    I understand the M5 serves the niches you describe mate, but it's enough of a sports car for me to want it in manual no matter what..

    We're car enthusiasts here, our daily's can/should be manuals as well 


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

     I think it's great that they have a manual as an option but imo a DCT would be the perfect fit.


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    For sure its nice they keep manual  gearbox as an option, but despite I like manual gearbox, I would never choose it in M5. Manual fits better into sports cars or smaller (sportier) coupes IMO.

    About M5 press release.. I don't know about 1. april, but last time I heard it will be in first or second week of April. That means this or next week if information is correct..


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

     

    BMW will reportedly premiere the M5 Concept at a private press event near Munich on April 1st followed by its public debut at Auto Shanghai a few weeks later.



    Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/111032831194/2012-bmw-m5-prototype---30-minutes-of-raw-footage-video#ixzz1HzkrDOGA

    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    30 minute footage from BMW



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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

     New Panamera Turbo S will be a competitor with its 550 hp and 3.6 secs for 0-100 kmh.

    M5 will be back from the very beginning unfortunately


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    artur777:

     New Panamera Turbo S will be a competitor with its 550 hp and 3.6 secs for 0-100 kmh.

    M5 will be back from the very beginning unfortunately

    .....and the security of 4WD on the Panamera Turbo S.

    I expect the M5 to be cheaper to buy,though.


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    M5 will be a lot cheaper for sure....


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    intouch1:

    M5 will be a lot cheaper for sure....

     

     Perhaps more entertaining as well with its RWD layout.


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Perhaps  too  entertaining as the daily all weather car , that is expected to be.


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Enmanuel:

     I think it's great that they have a manual as an option but imo a DCT would be the perfect fit.

    +1. DCT is the best option for this car.


     
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