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    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

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    ADias said:
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    WBH said:997TT has too much turbo lag; poorly-sorted PASM; and Luddite trannies (and girlie exhaust note ) to be taken seriously in a world of 599s and CL63/65, whether on a fast urban fwy or an interesting set of mtn twisties.....



    You must be kidding!!!

    I bet my bottom dollar that any competent 997TT driver (6-speed or manual) will leave a 599 or CL63 in the dust on your often quoted La Honda Road, say early morning with light or no traffic. No question about it!



    CL63 sure. 599 you're dreamin'.

    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

    Having driven Skyline Blvd and La Honda/84 many times I would have to conclude that WBH is severely mistaken if he thinks the 599/CL63 are faster on these roads. The Turbo thrives in this sort of enviroment! Sharp, tight, hairpin turns are the norm here and the 997tt's short wheelbase makes it the ideal candidate. The huge 599 and CL63 would really show their weight/size disadvantage on tight turns. Adias you are quite right, the tt would leave these cars in the dust here.

    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

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    eclou said:
    FWIW Sports Car International has a R8 vs tt vs F430 test in this month's issue. Very favorable comments on the tt


    The article is online:
    http://sci-mag.com/art1/art1p1.html

    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

    Wow! What a great comparison! Thanks for posting!!! +100+

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    what are you talking about ? A 599 is slower through the twisties and mentioning a cl ????? Do you want to be taken seriously ?

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    Sport Auto Ring times:

    997 TT: 7.54
    997 GT3: 7.48
    997 GT3 RS: 7.48
    599: 7.47

    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

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    gradyex said:
    Wow! What a great comparison! Thanks for posting!!! +100+



    You're welcome. I thought it would worth posting it's not everyday that you see those 4 cars compared in depth. Loved most of what they said about the Turbo.

    "Now that's what you call grunt and traction. Zero to 30 in the Turbo hurts your back. Dents the pride of the GT3 RS drivers too. Then all hell breaks loose. Just look at the 0-60 time" (3.6 seconds 6-speed)

    "Gloves off the RS is quicket to 100 then the regular GT3. The Margin isnt great but that doesn't matter. By 130mph the GT3 claws time back thanks to the smaller rear wing . But the difference between cars that run 8.4 and 9.6 seconds to 100 mph is vast..The Turbo just disappears. By 150mph the gap is 4.2 seconds, that's good night Vienna in spirit terms. And we've not touched on the in-gear times yet"

    IN-GEAR 5TH:
    "Being 2.2 seconds faster here is plain rude. And if you think the Turbo shorter gearing makes the comparsion un-fair the Turbo is 0.7 seconds faster in 6th. And that cog's good for well over 190mph"

    "Im conservative about 911 Turbo's too. I put them in a seperate category to the RS breed as everyone rightly should. I never got to love the 993 Turbo or the 996 Turbo but like the 964 a lot. The 997 version however, blew me away as soon as I drove it. I've done lots of miles in them - over 3000 - and haven't been bored for a minute. Many cars are faster on paper but on the road it is right up there with the fastest cars ever made and not just because of it's Thor of A to B driving. It feels Santa Pod fast too."

    "Finally we come to the Turbo, Harris warns me of it's speed which seems strange as he didn't say anything when I was climbing into the RS."

    "I don't remember much of the Turbo's acceleration runs. Brutal launch, massive speed, lots of swearing when we read out the times. So fast were in it's gear figures that I was constantly questioning what I was scribbling down on the timing sheet. The word "ridiculous" was uttered more than once. Of course we knew the Turbo would be epically fast but there's still something wonderful about realising the car you're sitting in just powered from 80-100mph in 2.4 seconds. And that in 23 seconds dead it took you from a standstill to 160mph. I can't ignore the Turbo speed around the track either especially given that it wears regular rubber as opposed to the trick cup tires of the GT3's. Despite having 4 wheel drive it was also the most willing to oversteer, which it pretty much did through every single corner if you wanted it to. In fact once the rubber was hot it took just the merest trailing of throttle on corner entry to get the tail swinging and then it was simply a case of pouring in the power and measuring out the slide."

    "In every meanigful and every pointless measure of speed the Turbo crushes the fastest two- wheeled drive 997 - that being the RS. It's electronically controlled 4 wheel drive system juggles torque and traction to perfection bringing an .05 second advantage from rest to 30mph. Thats at eternity at this level. By 60mph it is 0.80 seconds clear with a faintly silly 3.6 second run and then humbles the other so called performance Porsche's with a 0-100mph time of 8.4 seconds, fully 1.3 seconds faster than the RS and so far ahead of the other two (GT3/997 S) they're left gasping in it's exhaust gases. At the 150mph mark the Turbo has extended the gap to 4.2 seconds. Job done. Not so fast though the Turbo then leans over the bloodied bodies of its in house up-start rivals and sprinkles some added humiliation. The in-gear times are devastating. 30-50mph is 0.5 seconds faster in the Turbo than any other car here and each increment is swatted in under two-seconds. I don't think I've figured capable of such a feat. Matters become gradually worse for the naturally aspirated cars as the Turbo varible vanes it's way to some truely potty numbers all of which trounce the RS and culminate in a 50-70mph time in fifth just 0.2 seconds slower than the RS can manage in third."

    .."you cant step away from the Turbo without feeling like you have just experienced one of the quickest road cars in history. That engine is such a violent powerhouse that you struggle to get your head around some of the times the VBOX spit out."

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    These guys seem like skilled and experienced drivers who are accustomed to the rear engine dynamics.

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    eclou said:
    These guys seem like skilled and experienced drivers who are accustomed to the rear engine dynamics.



    Yes, but at some point in the report they complained about not getting the same performance numbers as the factory claims and they completely forgot that they did all their testing with 2 people in the car. how can you expect the same performance with another person in the car? that wasn't very smart of them to complain about, otherwise great article, got it last night.

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    Well said stradale, gr8 in depth analysis. Makes me love my TT more.

    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

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    WBH said:

    GT3 w/no PSM is a non-starter on public roads....

    997TT has too much turbo lag; poorly-sorted PASM; and Luddite trannies (and girlie exhaust note ) to be taken seriously in a world of 599s and CL63/65, whether on a fast urban fwy or an interesting set of mtn twisties.....
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    MP said:


    1. You must be thinking of the 996GT3 - the new one does have PSM.
    2. I hope you're doing more than just relying on electronic aids to keep you out of trouble. At this performance level, driver skill is the most important attribute. Even at 7/10s, you're travelling at 2-3 times posted speed limits.
    3. Most readers of this forum won't take you seriously if you compare CL63/65s to the Turbo. Great cars, however.
    4. The 599 would likely have trouble staying with a Turbo on tight mtn roads - just too heavy.


    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

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    AUM said:
    Sport Auto Ring times:

    997 TT: 7.54
    997 GT3: 7.48
    997 GT3 RS: 7.48
    599: 7.47



    Some thoughts...

    1. Turbo matched GT3 while on reg/non-Cup tires.
    2. GT3 didn't have ideal gearing for this track. More suited for the RING.
    3. GT3 RS was 0.6s faster than regular GT3 around a 1.5mi track, while Sport Auto found no difference around 13mi Ring.

    You just can't take everything one magazine says for granted. Must read everything else and use own judgement.


    Re: GT PURELY PORSCHE "THE TEST"

    Found Autocars' Dec.06 test of 599/997tt...

    Here is an excerpt:

    "On the straights the Ferrari eats the 911tt. It exits corners faster and goes harder down the straights. But under brakes and in the twisty stuff it's all I can do to keep the 911tt in sight. It (911tt) darts and weaves and blows its way gradually into the distance, only to be reeled back in when the straight appears. To keep up I have to drive the 599 harder than I feel comfortable with on a public road. If I'm being totally honest, it (599) scares me a little bit. ..... But over a meandering mountain road like this it's (911tt) in a different league from the Ferrari. ...After four tortuous miles it drops the 599 to a point where the Ferrari's no longer in sight. On a road like this the 911 Turbo is king".

    I feel better now.

     
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