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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    I'd stay with the SLS all day kiss


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    BjoernB:

    I'd stay with the SLS all day kiss

    Thanks Björn.  The SLS is a keeper and out of question. I have planned to keep it and pass it on to my daughter. Nevertheless - constantly thinking about a modern addition. But - three reasons why I didnt buy anything yet -

    1. I hardly have time for the vintage cars and the SLS, 
    2. Another two seater doesn't make sense at this point at all as mostly our daughter is with us
    3. I'm probably just bored not tempted by any modern car right now. Too many out there, too many nice cars, but too many just the same Smiley

    You never now - I might need one day that itch to step towards a car and just wanting it so badly that I instantly buy it. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Lars997:
    The SLS is a keeper and out of question. I have planned to keep it and pass it on to my daughter. 

    I have three sons she can choose from. With probably just the right difference in age when the time will come. 

    They are handsome , healthy , sporty , smart , fun , have good teeth and have a dad who owns some nice cars Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Gnil:
    Lars997:
    The SLS is a keeper and out of question. I have planned to keep it and pass it on to my daughter. 

    I have three sons she can choose from. With probably just the right difference in age when the time will come. 

    They are handsome , healthy , sporty , smart , fun , have good teeth and have a dad who owns some nice cars Smiley

    Time to meet with the family SmileySmileySmiley

    My daugther is very beautiful & smart and she loves Geneva SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Gnil:
    Lars997:
    The SLS is a keeper and out of question. I have planned to keep it and pass it on to my daughter. 

    I have three sons she can choose from. With probably just the right difference in age when the time will come. 

    They are handsome , healthy , sporty , smart , fun , have good teeth and have a dad who owns some nice cars Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     

    I send my 5 year old daughter with her 356 smiley (she can teach yr boys monoskiing on the lake indecision)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Lars997:
    Gnil:
    Lars997:
    The SLS is a keeper and out of question. I have planned to keep it and pass it on to my daughter. 

    I have three sons she can choose from. With probably just the right difference in age when the time will come. 

    They are handsome , healthy , sporty , smart , fun , have good teeth and have a dad who owns some nice cars Smiley

    Time to meet with the family SmileySmileySmiley

    My daugther is very beautiful & smart and she loves Geneva SmileySmiley

    My boys need to practice their German , they'll teach her french taking her out on the lake SmileySmiley

    @ Bjoern : The more people on the boat , the better SmileySmiley
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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    The GT R is certainly a very nice offer from Mercedes... kiss


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    RC:

    The GT R is certainly a very nice offer from Mercedes... kiss


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    Excellent price-value package Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    SA Supertest - 7'23"77

    https://youtu.be/mRMJfjhVFBQ


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    That is... impressive, it's a 450HV daily driver!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Carlos from Spain:

    That is... impressive, it's a 450HV daily driver!

    On Corsa tires... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Impossible to compare times anymore. The new tires are in no way comparable to old ones. 991.2 GTS as quick as a 488? Right.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:

    Impossible to compare times anymore. The new tires are in no way comparable to old ones. 991.2 GTS as quick as a 488? Right.

    In the case of the 488 I am indeed a bit concerned - the Supertest of the 488 was just recently, i.e. I guess the Cup tires they used where of latest production. The 488 test result is a bit weak in the light of the recent events.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Well I directly asked my P source is 991.2 Carrera GTS on Corsas faster around Klein Kurs Hockenheim and on the Ring then 991.1 GT3 RS on Dunlop Sport Maxx tires. 

    He said NO. 

    Then I asked are this latest SA results legit?

    He said well... Hmm... Yes, to certain point of view.

    angry


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    KresoF1:

    Then I asked are this latest SA results legit?

    He said well... Hmm... Yes, to certain point of view.

    angry

    What could make it not legit?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    Then I asked are this latest SA results legit?

    He said well... Hmm... Yes, to certain point of view.

    angry

    What could make it not legit?

    Good question Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    So for you it is perfectly acceptable that 991.2 GTS on new Corsas is faster on the Ring then 991.1 GT3 RS on Cup N1s?

    And as fast as 488 GTB, also on CUPs?

    New tires are indeed faster. But... Things need to be presented honestly. Or to express the fact that with latest tires 991.1 GT3 RS is a faster car in the track then 991.2 GTS. Or maybe I am indeed wrong? And 991.2 GTS is real track monster?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    I'm just curious how they cheated, if they did?

    Or is it just a case of better weather and faster track?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    KresoF1:

    So for you it is perfectly acceptable that 991.2 GTS on new Corsas is faster on the Ring then 991.1 GT3 RS on Cup N1s?

    And as fast as 488 GTB, also on CUPs?

    New tires are indeed faster. But... Things need to be presented honestly. Or to express the fact that with latest tires 991.1 GT3 RS is a faster car in the track then 991.2 GTS. Or maybe I am indeed wrong? And 991.2 GTS is real track monster?

    The first part of your question I do not have any concerns with: both cars have similar power and the new Corsas seem significantly faster than the old N1 Cups. So the outcome is only logical.

    With the 488 things are more complicated. As Ferrari had there full crew with various sets of most recently produced tires at the ring, the 488 being also turbo charged my only conclusion is that - in the light of recent events - the 488 is quite a bit an underperformer on the NBR Smiley This seems the only logical explanation to me.

    The rest of the picture fits well:

    The AMG GTR with the normal Cup tires (i.e. those you can order at the factory) would do a 7.18 approximately (i.e. about 6s slower than on these "special" tires they used for the test, my estimate is based on the relative performance of both tires in Hockenheim, where the normal Cup is 1s slower than the "special" Cup tire).

    The GTS did a 7.24.

    The 991.2 GT3 will probably be in the range of the GTR, i.e. 7.20 or even slightly below.

    The 991.2 GT2 RS will probably be somewhere around 7.10.

    All numbers on comparable tires.

    Everything would make sense again Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    everything would be much simpler if they stop comparing new times with old times - by now "most" should have realised that Tires and particularly latest Tiretechnology make up for the biggest difference - I have no Problems with that but pushing sales by saying you're faster than X is pure BS. I mean not so Long ago a 458 time was 7:40 with 570 hp......


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    MKSGR:
    noone1:

    Impossible to compare times anymore. The new tires are in no way comparable to old ones. 991.2 GTS as quick as a 488? Right.

    In the case of the 488 I am indeed a bit concerned - the Supertest of the 488 was just recently, i.e. I guess the Cup tires they used where of latest production. The 488 test result is a bit weak in the light of the recent events.

    Don't worry, Ferrari will use an updated Trofeo R for the 488 Speciale and they will beat Huracan Performante time. Smiley Smiley

    What makes me a bit angry: I discussed the tires shenanigans with a few of my buddies and none of them is really as much into cars as I am (even if they drive some pretty fast gear...). Nobody seems to care about tire choices, they are just comparing the times and are impressed. So I guess tires are the new way to "cheat" reviews, at least for now...until all manufacturers will actually have an "optional" tire available which they can use for reviewed cars. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Well, if you can get the tires then the times are what they are. Doesn't mean the new cars aren't that quick, it just means the old cars are quicker.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:

    Well, if you can get the tires then the times are what they are. Doesn't mean the new cars aren't that quick, it just means the old cars are quicker.

    Most of these tires are optional and many customers don't even have a clue that they can be optioned. Have you tried the Porsche configurator? Where is the Pirelli PZero Corsa in the configurator? Smiley Case made.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    RC:
    noone1:

    Well, if you can get the tires then the times are what they are. Doesn't mean the new cars aren't that quick, it just means the old cars are quicker.

    Most of these tires are optional and many customers don't even have a clue that they can be optioned. Have you tried the Porsche configurator? Where is the Pirelli PZero Corsa in the configurator? Smiley Case made.

    Or the Corsa tire in case of the 488. Or the special Cup tire in case of the GTR Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    That special Cup 2 for the GT R is only available by special order through the AMG Performance Studio and my dealer has no clue if it is available already or will be available when the first GT R customer cars hit the streets.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    RC:

    That special Cup 2 for the GT R is only available by special order through the AMG Performance Studio and my dealer has no clue if it is available already or will be available when the first GT R customer cars hit the streets.

    I doubt there will be a single GTR user buying and driving these tires. Based on the reports in the press these tires are nearly useless in most conditions and they last few kms before they need to be replaced... This is all a marketing trick by AMG and Sportauto.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    in the UK, AMG GT-R gets as standard:

    "sports tyres - exclusively developed for Mercedes AMG, offering greater steering precision and a measurable increase in grip on racetracks" 

    with "summer tyres" NCO


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    sfo:

    in the UK, AMG GT-R gets as standard:

    "sports tyres - exclusively developed for Mercedes AMG, offering greater steering precision and a measurable increase in grip on racetracks" 

    with "summer tyres" NCO

    These are the regular Cup tires - not those used in the Sportauto test Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    MKSGR:
    RC:

    That special Cup 2 for the GT R is only available by special order through the AMG Performance Studio and my dealer has no clue if it is available already or will be available when the first GT R customer cars hit the streets.

    I doubt there will be a single GTR user buying and driving these tires. Based on the reports in the press these tires are nearly useless in most conditions and they last few kms before they need to be replaced... This is all a marketing trick by AMG and Sportauto.

    No tire only lasts a few KM, not even slicks on a race car.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:
    MKSGR:
    RC:

    That special Cup 2 for the GT R is only available by special order through the AMG Performance Studio and my dealer has no clue if it is available already or will be available when the first GT R customer cars hit the streets.

    I doubt there will be a single GTR user buying and driving these tires. Based on the reports in the press these tires are nearly useless in most conditions and they last few kms before they need to be replaced... This is all a marketing trick by AMG and Sportauto.

    No tire only lasts a few KM, not even slicks on a race car.

    Define few...


     
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