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    Is the 997 Turbo slated for an '06 release?

    Please pardon my ignorance, as I've been out of the "what's new" loop for quite some time, but can anyone definitively state if the 997tt is slated for the normal time frame (read fall)'06 release?
    TIA
    PS, Hello RC!

    Re: Is the 997 Turbo slated for an '06 release?

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    Goodwood said:
    .... can anyone definitively state if the 997tt is slated for the normal time frame (read fall)'06 release?




    Goodwood,

    You asked for a definitive statement.

    Considering Porsche's record for not speaking publicly about its short-term future plans, let alone 2 years ahead, you can safely consider anything anyone tells you here or elsewhere on this subject as being pure speculation (= a nice way of saying "pure BS"! ).

    Re: Is the 997 Turbo slated for an '06 release?

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    fritz said:
    Goodwood,

    You asked for a definitive statement.

    Considering Porsche's record for not speaking publicly about its short-term future plans, let alone 2 years ahead, you can safely consider anything anyone tells you here or elsewhere on this subject as being pure speculation (= a nice way of saying "pure BS"! ).



    Right, a definitve statement about the 997 TT release date is impossible. All I know is that the 997 TT development is pretty much within the planned time schedule, I know that final specs prototypes are already hitting the streets (especially at night ) and I heard the rumor that 2006 was(still is?) planned as the release year.
    But I'm afraid that even if the 997 TT would be ready, it's release might be delayed due to marketing strategies.

    Take the 996 and the Boxster S as very good examples:
    the 996 was ready before the Boxster but they released it after the Boxster.
    The Boxster S was released one year after development was finished.
    If anybody tells you he knows for sure, he is talking, as fritz said, BS.

    Re: Is the 997 Turbo slated for an '06 release?

    I for myself would say the new Turbo will be around 460 and 480 hp, not to embarass 996TT owners for the huge difference or 996 GT2 owners for being more powerful than their own car.

    With a sideglance on current cars on the market (e.g. Gallardo, Viper, upcoming F430 and Corvette Z06) this hp figure seem to be quite senseful. Porsche had quite a few cars that were low on hp compared to direct competition (993 and 996 vs. M3, Turbo vs. Gallardo) and still provided good acceleration times.

    I suppose a 50-60hp upgrade will be available two years after the TT's launch. I don't think Porsche should go any higher on the hp ladder because the pendulum could always swing back and make 500+hp vehicles become a slowseller. A little amount of weight reduction shouldn't be a mistake, but I don't expect this to be to huge comparing 996 - 997 weight.

    In the end, 0 - 200 kph acc. times should be around 12.5 - 13.5 sec for the TT and about 11.5 sec. for the GT2. That should be enough for the beginning.

    Re: 997 Turbo

    has all of you forgot that between 993tt and 996 tt there is only 12 hp??and now you want them to give from 996 to 997 80hp? never ,they will never do it..i would say the 997 tt will have 450hp ,with an optional x50 kit to give it the new gt2 hp , that is 482 hp . and even with less hp than all the competition the 996tt with x50 kiks the ass of all competition..sl55,upcoming m5,gallardo etc... so no need to worry ,its not only a matter of hp....

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    dhayek said:
    ...and even with less hp than all the competition the 996tt with x50 kiks the ass of all competition..sl55,upcoming m5,gallardo etc... so no need to worry ,its not only a matter of hp....



    That is correct. The 996 X50 is as quick or slithly quicker than all those cars you mention here. However, I really would like the 997 X50 to be noticably quicker! A Gallardo should be easily left behind, i.e. 0-200 for the 997 X50 should be 11.5 secs not more

    Re: 997 Turbo

    A bit demanding aren't we

    Re: 997 Turbo

    OK, maybe 12 secs would also be acceptable

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    MKSGR said:
    0-200 for the 997 X50 should be 11.5 secs not more



    Current GT2 with 482hp does 0 - 200 km/h in 12.5s.

    Any idea how many additional horses would be needed to reduce that time by a full second in an otherwise similar car which is >100kg heavier?

    Re: 997 Turbo

    550hp in the 996TT are good for ca. 11 secs (Rturbo 550hp, RS 540hp). The 996 X50 does 0-200 in ca. 13.5 secs.

    So I guess that 500 Porsche horses in the 997 might be sufficient for 12 secs

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    MKSGR said:
    550hp in the 996TT are good for ca. 11 secs (Rturbo 550hp, RS 540hp). The 996 X50 does 0-200 in ca. 13.5 secs.

    So I guess that 500 Porsche horses in the 997 might be sufficient for 12 secs



    I highly doubt that the next generation 997 Turbo will do 0-125 mph (200 kph) in 12 seconds, this would make it faster than the current GT2.
    I don't want to bet but I'd say 0-125 mph (200 kph) in real 13 seconds is pretty realistic.
    I remember when I drove a ~ 470 HP (engine dyno) 996 Turbo against a GT2 MK1 for comparison and the GT2 was slightly faster, only at speeds over 280 kph we were head to head, probably because of the higher torque figure of the tuned 996 Turbo.
    To cope (same performance) with the current GT2 MK2, the 997 Turbo needs at least 530-550 HP. I don't see that coming from Porsche. I would really be happy to see 500 HP on the 997 Turbo but right now rumors indicate 460-480 HP and maybe 480-500 HP for the Turbo S. The new GT2 is rumored around 500-520 HP. Well, just speculation.

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    RC said:

    To cope (same performance) with the current GT2 MK2, the 997 Turbo needs at least 530-550 HP.



    I am not too convinced of that: Adding X50 (i.e. 30hp and more torque) to the 996TT reduces the 0-200 time by nearly 1 sec! So assuming that a 997TT with powerkit would have 500hp as indicated in my post I would really hope that such car would be as quick as the GT2 MK2

    In your post you were comparing a GT2 MK1 with a *tuned* 996TT 470hp. Now, have you ever seen a *tuned* 996TT with just 450hp that has similar acceleration times as the 996 X50?

    That is the reason why I wrote "500 Porsche hp", with 500 Porsche hp being superior to 500 tuned hp

    Honestly, 13 secs. would be too slow.

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    RC said:
    I highly doubt that the next generation 997 Turbo will do 0-125 mph (200 kph) in 12 seconds, this would make it faster than the current GT2.




    Just checked again: sport auto tested the GT2 MK2 at 11.8 secs for 0-200. I.e. the 997TT with powerkit and hopefully 500hp would have some 20hp plus double clutch plus ... to compensate for the lower weight of the GT2 MK2. Don't you think it might work?

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    MKSGR said:
    Just checked again: sport auto tested the GT2 MK2 at 11.8 secs for 0-200. I.e. the 997TT with powerkit and hopefully 500hp would have some 20hp plus double clutch plus ... to compensate for the lower weight of the GT2 MK2. Don't you think it might work?



    I'm pretty sure that the GT2 tested by AMS was in a pretty good shape. Actually I heard that all GT2 MK2 are in a pretty good shape, rumors indicate that none has less than 500 HP but of course...rumors.

    We shouldn't speculate about powerkits on cars which aren't available yet. I heard that Porsche wants to offer a 997 Turbo and a 997 Turbo S from the start (same strategy as with the 997 Carrera and Carrera S) but again, rumors.
    If this is true, we probably see a 997 Turbo with 460 HP and one with 500 HP. Considering Porsche's "model strategy" in the past, I'd say that 450 HP and 480 HP are more likely but there is also a rumor that there is a "power discussion" going on at Porsche and maybe people who want to see more power get what they want.

    I'm pretty positive that the 997 Turbo will hit 0-200 kph (125 mph) in less than 14 seconds. I'm also positive that the 997 Turbo S hits 0-200 kph in less than 13.5 seconds.
    But everything else is pure speculation.

    Re: 997 Turbo

    Speculations, speculations....

    Let's hope some of these'll be true!

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    RC said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Just checked again: sport auto tested the GT2 MK2 at 11.8 secs for 0-200. I.e. the 997TT with powerkit and hopefully 500hp would have some 20hp plus double clutch plus ... to compensate for the lower weight of the GT2 MK2. Don't you think it might work?



    I'm pretty sure that the GT2 tested by AMS was in a pretty good shape. Actually I heard that all GT2 MK2 are in a pretty good shape, rumors indicate that none has less than 500 HP but of course...rumors.

    We shouldn't speculate about powerkits on cars which aren't available yet. I heard that Porsche wants to offer a 997 Turbo and a 997 Turbo S from the start (same strategy as with the 997 Carrera and Carrera S) but again, rumors.
    If this is true, we probably see a 997 Turbo with 460 HP and one with 500 HP. Considering Porsche's "model strategy" in the past, I'd say that 450 HP and 480 HP are more likely but there is also a rumor that there is a "power discussion" going on at Porsche and maybe people who want to see more power get what they want.

    I'm pretty positive that the 997 Turbo will hit 0-200 kph (125 mph) in less than 14 seconds. I'm also positive that the 997 Turbo S hits 0-200 kph in less than 13.5 seconds.
    But everything else is pure speculation.



    Although what hp do we think most 996TTS will actually dyno at? Given this car is near end of production cycle, I would think the better tolerances of various components, etc. may allow these 996TTS to have some more "exuberant" performance capabilities than, for example, an '03 996TT X-50....any view on that possibility, RC?

    Re: 997 Turbo

    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Although what hp do we think most 996TTS will actually dyno at?



    A friend's TT X50 has been dynoed at 480 HP!... Another one got 460. Not bad...
    Greetings,
    --Pierre

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    A friend's TT X50 has been dynoed at 480 HP!... Another one got 460. Not bad...




    Was that 480 RWHP or AWHP or FWHP?

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    Dock (Atlanta) said:
    Quote:
    A friend's TT X50 has been dynoed at 480 HP!... Another one got 460. Not bad...




    Was that 480 RWHP or AWHP or FWHP?



    I'm sure that's flywheel power...

    Re: 997 Turbo

    Dock, Grant, I've no idea. They just told me about these numbers. I asked for more details (torque, etc), but they didn't know...
    Greetings,
    --Pierre

    Re: 997 Turbo

    RC, you are so close to the company and its pulse, it shocks me. Any idea what the limit for this 996 evo engine is as far as RELIABLE (factory level) HP? I know for example, sportec does a 750 HP kit, but would it be up to factory standards of everyday start? Also, at what point does lag become a major issue? thanks in advance.

    Re: 997 Turbo

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    bostonmini said:
    RC, you are so close to the company and its pulse, it shocks me. Any idea what the limit for this 996 evo engine is as far as RELIABLE (factory level) HP? I know for example, sportec does a 750 HP kit, but would it be up to factory standards of everyday start? Also, at what point does lag become a major issue? thanks in advance.



    Let me put it this way: I know at least a dozend of tuned 996 Turbos. Most of them are driven hard, sometimes on the track too. I have contacts to their owners and sometimes I even had the chance to talk about the 996 Turbo with "knowledgable" people from...
    My personal conclusion (I'm talking about 1. class tuning, performed by somebody who knows what he is doing, a very "clean" software mapping, high quality hardware (turbo chargers, etc.) and so on):
    up to 540 HP are no real problem for the 996 Turbo engine.
    Every HP figure which goes beyond that, might pose a serious problem sooner or later. I know three cars with engines over 700 HP and all three had blown engines. One car was owned by a VIP who actually manufactures parts for Porsche cars.
    I also know somebody who has a Sportec tuned 996 Turbo with something around 560 HP or slightly more (they actually told him "close to 600 HP" but I always doubt Tuner claims) and the engine itself never had problems (over 60000 km with the mods!) but there were problems with clutch, gearbox and software mapping. I hope this helps.

    Re: 997 Turbo

    It is funny that so many complain that turbo has gone soft, when for this reason porsche made the GT2, it is really more like a 930 than the current turbo, so in a sense, they have looked after us all! We just don't like GT2 pricing. Perhaps the biggest aspect of going "soft" was the addition of awd...not to say you wont drive faster with it, but it goes with the sequential GB argument, better yes, more fun tho? PS- Michael Schumacher prefers a stick on the street, says F1 is for "the office" haha.

    Re: 997 Turbo

    I have a 996 turbo and love it's power and reliability. The car was top of the pops when it came out four years ago, but by now the competitve landscape has dramatically changed. There are many superlimos (granted they are no sportscars, but offer the charme of space and good pricing) and veritable sportscars (Gallardo etc) or pseudo sportscars (SL55) which offer true alternatives. Admittedly with quite different flavors, but they all now have the main features of the turbo: power and reliability.
    So now some of these are as fast or faster In the straight line as turbo and i dont think this is acceptable. At least not for me, if I think of the money I'll have to spend for my next one. Just a couple of hps more and a seqential shift wont be enough to make me switch. The improvements got to be massive (!), ie the cars performance has to be in the range of the gt2, though weighing more because of awd and the extras the typical turbo client wont want to miss.
    In light of this I dont think anything less than 500 hp will be good enough.
    I hope very much porsche recognizes this and acts accordingly.

    Re: POLL - How much power should the upcoming 997 Turbo have?


    455 hp maximum.

     
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