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    997 GT3 vs 997 Turbo ground clearence

    Hey guys,

    A friend of mine is about to buy either a 997 GT3 or a turbo but is abit worried about ground clearence. Does anyone know the exact figures for the GT3 as well as the turbo?

    Thanks!

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    Hope this helps!

    GT3
    Approach Angle 5.6*
    Departure Angle 11.1*
    Ramp Breakover Angle 10.3*
    Ground Clearance 3.66"

    TURBO
    Approach Angle 7.9*
    Departure Angle 12.8*
    Ramp Breakover Angle 12.7*
    Ground Clearance 4.3"

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    Trundle_GT3 said:
    Hope this helps!

    GT3
    Approach Angle 5.6*
    Departure Angle 11.1*
    Ramp Breakover Angle 10.3*
    Ground Clearance 3.66"

    TURBO
    Approach Angle 7.9*
    Departure Angle 12.8*
    Ramp Breakover Angle 12.7*
    Ground Clearance 4.3"


    Are those the specs for the Euro cars or the US cars? I think the GT3's are the same height in all markets, but I think the US Turbo may be higher than ROW (at least for the 996TT that was true)...

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    Anyone know the ground clearance on a US 997 S/4S off hand?

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    frayed and pentium provided the definitive answer to these questions in the following excellent thread:

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Number=320740

    Enjoy!

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    Coochas said:
    Anyone know the ground clearance on a US 997 S/4S off hand?




    997 Carrera S
    Approach Angle 11.4*
    Departure Angle 13.6*
    Ramp Breakover Angle 12.6*
    Ground Clearance 4.3"


    Carrera 4S
    Approach Angle 11.2*
    Departure Angle 14*
    Ramp Breakover Angle 14*
    Ground Clearance 4.3"

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    Let's get some old threads back in the reading zone.

    My wife and I are currently constructing a new house and as our underground garage will have place for 4 to 5 five cars, I want to be sure that everything fits. Although houses are crazy expensive to my liking, so that I will have no money left for (super)sportscars, a man can always dream - it's what keeps us going smileyMaybe I pick up a used 997 GT3 in 20 years time and I want to be able to park it without scraping anything and without the need to tackle my garage entry at the most difficult angles...

    The Rennteam archives have provided seriously useful information, which I passed on to my architect who is now finding out that a GT3 requires a bit more room than the '90 Mercedes SL he put on the slope (on plan). Some adjustments are to be made, but it should eventually fit.

    In brief, I told the architect that if a 997 GT3 fits, everything will fit - but is it? If you have an idea of any car that is worse (preferably with the appropriate data like wheel base, approach angle etc), please let me know. The only condition I agreed upon with my architect is that the car is roadlegal indecision. Thanks!


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    Porsche_lover:

    Let's get some old threads back in the reading zone.

    My wife and I are currently constructing a new house and as our underground garage will have place for 4 to 5 five cars, I want to be sure that everything fits. Although houses are crazy expensive to my liking, so that I will have no money left for (super)sportscars, a man can always dream - it's what keeps us going smileyMaybe I pick up a used 997 GT3 in 20 years time and I want to be able to park it without scraping anything and without the need to tackle my garage entry at the most difficult angles...

    The Rennteam archives have provided seriously useful information, which I passed on to my architect who is now finding out that a GT3 requires a bit more room than the '90 Mercedes SL he put on the slope (on plan). Some adjustments are to be made, but it should eventually fit.

    In brief, I told the architect that if a 997 GT3 fits, everything will fit - but is it? If you have an idea of any car that is worse (preferably with the appropriate data like wheel base, approach angle etc), please let me know. The only condition I agreed upon with my architect is that the car is roadlegal indecision. Thanks!

    You will probably find that the front approach angle of the GT3 is the most critical case you need to consider, due to the very low front spoiler lip and its long overhang ahead of the front axle. Breakover angle (influenced by a combination of wheelbase and ground clearance) shouldn't be a problem, unless you buy an extreme stretched limousine. Smiley


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    Thank you for the comment, Fritz! The GT3 would now hit the garage floor when driving in, so they are increasing the actual slope but providing for a more levelled "run-out" zone to avoid this. Do you know of any other cars that are worse in terms of overhang / ground clearance: Ferrari 458 or so?

    I will not by buying extreme stretched limousines and assume that if a GT3 works, a Panamera will do too (although the latter has a longer wheelbase) - would you agree? These limousines also often have pneumatic suspension which can do marvels - I have this one of my current cars (E class ) and it allows me to enter a specific parking which I cannot enter with my 3-series.

     


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    if you got a 7.2 GT3 with front axle lift, you would have more flexibility


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    sfo:

    if you got a 7.2 GT3 with front axle lift, you would have more flexibility

    These are indeed great inventions, unfortunately only available on limited cars.

    Maybe I should clarify a bit: I am not specifically in the market for a GT3. It's just that I am constructing now and as my architect has no clue about sport cars, I want to give him the most challenging car for him to make it work. This can be a GT3, a Pagani Zonda, a Ferrari 328 or 458, an SLS or a Murcielago... Smiley

    I am not sure what the future will bring in terms of car development (i.e. will cars have lower skirts for less air resistence / lower CO2) nor for me personally. The only thing I can do now is to make the driveway as accessible as possible, but for that I would need to ascertain what is the most difficult car, find the data and pass that on to the architect to avoid issues in the future...

     


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    Porsche_lover:

    Thank you for the comment, Fritz! The GT3 would now hit the garage floor when driving in, so they are increasing the actual slope but providing for a more levelled "run-out" zone to avoid this. Do you know of any other cars that are worse in terms of overhang / ground clearance: Ferrari 458 or so?

    I will not by buying extreme stretched limousines and assume that if a GT3 works, a Panamera will do too (although the latter has a longer wheelbase) - would you agree? These limousines also often have pneumatic suspension which can do marvels - I have this one of my current cars (E class ) and it allows me to enter a specific parking which I cannot enter with my 3-series.

    I'm afraid I don't have the information to hand for either an F458 or a Panamera, but dealers will.  


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    fritz


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    fritz:

    I'm afraid I don't have the information to hand for either an F458 or a Panamera, but dealers will.  

    You would be surprised.

    I once stopped by a Ferrari dealership in Belgium, very friendly people, let me testdrive a Ferrari so I could compare with my 997 Smiley etc. Called them now, still friendly, but no clue. They told me to take the lift suspension Smiley in case of doubt which obviously does not help me if I one day end up with a F430 (which I believe did not came with these).

     


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    You probably spoke to a car sales person rather than service personnel, in which case I wouldn't be surprised.  angryindecision

    The only basis for comparison that I have personally is that I could reverse an F360 down a ramp into a garage in a former house without scraping the front spoiler lip, whereas the lip of a 996 GT3 would just touch the ramp at one point. Not much help to you, I'm afraid.  


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    fritz


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    See if this helps you estimate the angles... I had the same issue when I was building my house.

    Mind that the data is for 997.1 version...1378395112337image.jpg

     


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    Pentium:

    See if this helps you estimate the angles... I had the same issue when I was building my house.

    Mind that the data is for 997.1 version...1378395112337image.jpg

     

    There ya go.  You can see from that comparison of different 997 versions why I said that the approach angle of the GT3 would be the one to look out for as a "worst case", as it is more extreme than for all the other models.


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    fritz


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    Thanks!


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    very interesting, Pentium.


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    Porsche 911 GT3 - Guards Red 997 MKII Clubsport


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    You could always back it into your garage.


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    After accounting for the departure angle and the approach angle whichever is in your favor, if you backed into your garage; would not the reverse apply to your exit????   


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    Gladstone:

    After accounting for the departure angle and the approach angle whichever is in your favor, if you backed into your garage; would not the reverse apply to your exit????   

    It wouldn't only apply on exit but also when you reverse in. I assumed that Nick's use of the Smiley meant that he realised this when he posted.  Smiley


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    fritz


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    fritz:
    Gladstone:

    After accounting for the departure angle and the approach angle whichever is in your favor, if you backed into your garage; would not the reverse apply to your exit????   

    It wouldn't only apply on exit but also when you reverse in. I assumed that Nick's use of the Smiley meant that he realised this when he posted.  Smiley

    Not necessarily. Ben with his CGT had a similar problem and by backing the car he avoided the serious scrapping had he drove in frontally into his garage. I have first hand knowledge because after the two of us were out driving the CGT we returned it his garage and I would watch him back it in numerous times with visual assistance from me. It all depends on angle.


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    I think that this could be a case of the approach angle being diminished by the weight of the vehicle loading up the front suspension while on a downhill surface. However, if you backed the car down to the garage, then leaving a level garage and approaching an uphill driveway would not have the same weight load on the front suspension. Plausible, maybe 


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    Yes, backing up the car into a ramp with a steep angle is not the same as driving it foward into the ramp of the parking, I had that issue with my 996 that had the sports suspension and the aerokit and the front would rub in many places, and in one of my parking garages had a downhill ramp that would cause me to rub the front to the point of damaging the front lip when I reached the end of the ramp, so what I had to do is go down the ramp backwards and do to the weight transfer, the front would not compress as much and it was enough not to rub the front at all this way, and the rear had a smaller ovehang and better angle of attack so it was OK being compressed. Going out I could go fowards for the same reason.


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    Carlos from Spain:

    Yes, backing up the car into a ramp with a steep angle is not the same as driving it foward into the ramp of the parking, I had that issue with my 996 that had the sports suspension and the aerokit and the front would rub in many places, and in one of my parking garages had a downhill ramp that would cause me to rub the front to the point of damaging the front lip when I reached the end of the ramp, so what I had to do is go down the ramp backwards and do to the weight transfer, the front would not compress as much and it was enough not to rub the front at all this way, and the rear had a smaller ovehang and better angle of attack so it was OK being compressed. Going out I could go fowards for the same reason.

    EXACTLY!


     
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