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    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    RC:

    I did it...got the Shelby yesterday, will pick it up this Friday with my son.

    Congrats!!! Smiley That is one sick engine bay! Smiley

    Now we want GoPro videos of burn outs! Smiley


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE

    2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    Congrats RC. I hope you and your son have many safe and enjoyable miles (kms) in the car! kiss


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic    [SOLD]
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    Congratulations . I  can see the fun ! kiss


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    Sorry I wasn't clear. The FF would be to replace the TTS and now the Shelby...


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    RC:

    If the Shelby would have some sort of PDK, I would have loved it even more. Even much more with AWD.

    I did it...got the Shelby yesterday, will pick it up this Friday with my son.

    How could I say no to this? indecision (this is actually the real engine bay of my car, the air filter will be exchanged with a blue one, CAI will follow later on, haven't decided on tuning yet).

     

     

     

    After getting to know you for so many years here for most of us, it's EXPECTED!! Smiley


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    SciFrog:

    Sorry I wasn't clear. The FF would be to replace the TTS and now the Shelby...

    Not possible. 991 Turbo S, Ferrari FF and Shelby GT500 are three completely different cars. The Shelby is actually a toy for me, an ongoing project over time. Not sure if I am going to transform it into a Super Snake (with OEM parts of course) but I want to keep this car for a very long time. Just need to find a better garage space (right now, it will be parked in an office building's underground garage with public access from 6 am to 6 pm) but I am working on that.

    The stock sound of this car is just sick, really great. I plan to add the Ford Racing sport mufflers which add a bit of loudness (not really sure if it is necessary though, haven't decided yet), a different pulley (supercharger), a different throttle body and a tune (software adaptation). This whole package (pulley, throttle body, tune) adds 60-80 horses. Reliable horses. The whole job is done under 2000 EUR incl. dyno adjustments. Everything more needs hardware adapations (cooling, etc.) and I would actually have a a Super Snake job done instead.

    I do not want to exchange the clutch, the chassis or the tires, so I will keep everything on the down low and civilized, nothing extreme here. The car needs to stay in it's original state as much as possible (or it needs to be easily removable) because I want to keep it as a classic.

    The 2013/2014 Mustang is in my opinion the most beautiful Mustang Ford has ever built and the new one (2015) isn't really my thing, even if Ford would add a 700+ engine to the new one (it will probably happen at some point). Or to use words a guy I met at my new Mustang dealer used: The new 2015 Mustang looks too...European. Smiley Nothing more to add. My dealer has one last 2014 GT500 Shelby with Performance and Track Packages and thats it. No more cars, he tried to buy every single car he could get in the US and these are the last ones he got (three...one black, one gray (mine) and one white). The white one is still available if someone is interested. (Lars? Smiley). See photo.

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     Btw: There are many other new GT500 Shelby available at German dealers but CAUTION: Either they are 2013 models (nothing wrong here, same technology and looks as 2014 but there have been some improvements under the hood) or they do not have the Performance and/or Track Package, both are mandatory for this car. I also found a 2013 GT500 Shelby built for the Mexican market and I thought this is the perfect car for me. Low price tag, kph speedo and the dealer was willing to add the Track Package as a retrofit to the deal, incl. a KW Stage 3 chassis. I was lucky I didn't take this car because just yesterday, I found out that the car didn't have the Torsen Limited Slip Differential. Also, the Bilstein electronic damper chassis my GT500 comes with, seems to be the best choice for this car. It kind of eliminates some of the issues from the live axle setup, also through a different damper/spring design in the rear and is really recommendable.

    Overall, believe it or not, I became a small GT500 Shelby 2014 expert over the last couple of days. I gathered so much information about this car, you won't believe it. So if you have questions regarding this car, feel free to ask. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    Enjoy it. kiss


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    Congrats RC, you made the right choice. wink


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    Hi,  Christian,
    many congrats on your new toy. Now we can rename Rennteam  in "Muscle Cars" racing team or so.angry
    I'm thinking the Ford Shelby 500 embodies the American sports car very well, at least as what we imagine about it.
    I have my office right on the "Altstadtring" in Munich. The evening concert of the various muscle cars with all available stages are free there. Sometimes with a really deafening, explosive noise.

    Since you still looking for a parking space:
    I have a free one and would take the GT 500 in nursing, would care about it very well and will give him from time to time the freedom that he needssmileyindecisionindecision

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    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW Grand Coupe 650i xDrive


     

    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    Conny997:
    Hi,  Christian,
    many congrats on your new toy. Now we can rename Rennteam  in "Muscle Cars" racing team or so.angry
    I'm thinking the Ford Shelby 500 embodies the American sports car very well, at least as what we imagine about it.
    I have my office right on the "Altstadtring" in Munich. The evening concert of the various muscle cars with all available stages are free there. Sometimes with a really deafening, explosive noise.

    Since you still looking for a parking space:
    I have a free one and would take the GT 500 in nursing, would care about it very well and will give him from time to time the freedom that he needssmileyindecisionindecision

    Thanks, Reinhard. 

    I would have to drive over 60 km though, not very convenient. Smiley

    I was thinking about this muscle car thing a lot, wasn't sure if I should do it. My experience with the Jeep GC SRT actually kind of pushed me towards it. My prejudice (US cars are slow, bad in curves, not reliable, etc.) has, luckily, never been confirmed. The new Challenger SRT Hellcat with 717 DIN hp was actually on my buying list (price is the same) but after watching some YouTube videos and after actually standing next to a regular Challenger SRT, I decided to get a GT500. The Challenger looks just weird, too big, the proportions aren't right in my opinion, not my cup of tea, even if this car impresses me a lot for various reasons. Also, I think that the Mustang is one of the rare US cars in Germany which won't put the "pimp" stamp on your forehead. Unfortunately people still have certain prejudices vs. US cars over here, you know that. 

    The new Corvette is an amazing car too, actually in my opinion right now the best bang for the buck in the US car market. Unfortunately this car is way too flashy and I really wanted a pony (muscle) car, not a sports car (already have one), so the choice for the GT500 was quite easy.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    I was curious just how the Challenger could be parked in many garages on the continent or even open its long doors after being parked in one. The Mustang is much more right sized for Europe.

    Just for grins, here is a Hellcat tested in the rain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIEBOGe6czI

     


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    indecision..best ist the scene with the smoke out of the air intakes.

    but I wonder how other comparable RWD  would behave under the same conditions?


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    Kind regards, Conny 



    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW Grand Coupe 650i xDrive


     

    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    That was the optional anti radar fog.  smiley


    Re: The "Hellcat" has arrived

    More reasons why I didn't choose the Hellcat:

    1. Weight: The Challenger weights almost 270(!) kg more than the GT500 Shelby. Yes, the Challenger has more power but I can get the same (and more) power from a simple pulley/CAI/tune mod for the Mustang too and the 270 kg less weight actually make the GT500 the more nimble car. I cannot believe the Challenger SRT Hellcat actually weights over 2 tons. I mean the 1755 kg of the Shelby GT500 are already at the "limit".

    I don't get it: Just imagine a GT500 with 200 kg less weight or a Challenger SRT Hellcat with 300 or 400 kg less weight. Wow.

     

    2. Performance: While the Challenger SRT Hellcat has 707 (717) hp and it sounds plain crazy, the performance is not even close to a 991 Turbo S for example. The Turbo S has almost 150 hp less power and still outruns the Hellcat. 

    SRT Hellcat: 0-100 mph (160 kph) in 7.6 seconds, 0-130 mph (208 kph) in 12.4 seconds. 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec.

    GT500 Shelby: 0-100 mph (160 kph) in 7.9 seconds, 0-130 mph (208 kph) in 12.8 seconds. 1/4-mile: 11.8 sec.

    As you can see, there isn't that much difference in straight line performance but the Shelby does curves much better than the Challenger (Roadholding, 300 ft-dia skidpad, 0.92 g for the Challenger and 1.0 g for the GT500).

    Keep in mind that the Challenger results have been achieved with the optional 8-speed automatic, the manual gearbox version is apparently slower

     

    The only reason I regret not getting the Hellcat is the electronics stuff you can adjust in this car.

    To understand the above performance numbers, a little comparison: A 991 Carrera 4S PDK does 0-130 mph (208 kph) in 16.1 seconds. The Challenger and Shelby are 3.7 or 3.3 seconds faster. This is a huge difference. So while the Challenger and Shelby aren't as fast as a Turbo S with much less power, they are certainly quite fast. Considering their price tag, I think that anyone ignoring these cars makes a huge mistake. Unless track performance and maximum traction are your main buying reason.

    Also, the new Corvette C7 may be a fine car with excellent build quality and fantastic handling but if you look at the performance numbers (manual version), the difference to the Challenger and Shelby is huge. Almost a second slower from 0-100 mph (160 kph) and over 2 seconds slower from 0-130 mph (208 kph).

     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


     
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