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    Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/07/2017-mercedes-benz-e-class-technology-feature-video/


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Thanks... interesting read.

    Just dont understand that "parking by smartphone" function. Where is the usage of a car which drives itself to the parking? yes I lived well without that.... never wished to have that function so far!


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Lars997:

    Thanks... interesting read.

    Just dont understand that "parking by smartphone" function. Where is the usage of a car which drives itself to the parking? yes I lived well without that.... never wished to have that function so far!

    My wife would love that feature. Many people hate driving (my wife is one of them) and such a parking feature would be a god sent gift for people like her.


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    RC:
    Lars997:

    Thanks... interesting read.

    Just dont understand that "parking by smartphone" function. Where is the usage of a car which drives itself to the parking? yes I lived well without that.... never wished to have that function so far!

    My wife would love that feature. Many people hate driving (my wife is one of them) and such a parking feature would be a god sent gift for people like her.

    But you understand that this thing just simply drives the car into your garage.... means you leave the car in front of the garage and press the button. It is not the automatic park system we know from many other cars. 


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Doesn't Tesla have something similar?


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Lars997:
    RC:
    Lars997:

    Thanks... interesting read.

    Just dont understand that "parking by smartphone" function. Where is the usage of a car which drives itself to the parking? yes I lived well without that.... never wished to have that function so far!

    My wife would love that feature. Many people hate driving (my wife is one of them) and such a parking feature would be a god sent gift for people like her.

    But you understand that this thing just simply drives the car into your garage.... means you leave the car in front of the garage and press the button. It is not the automatic park system we know from many other cars. 

    Well, apparently I should have read the whole article... Smiley 

    I thought this is an autonomous parking system. Parking the car into our garage is not really an issue for my wife.


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Wonder how safe from hacking this is, especially considering how unsafe smartphones are in most people's hands. I'm all for tech features but not for the sake of having them, they have to be practical and useful otherwise they just create more opportunity for problems than benefit.


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Carlos from Spain:

    Wonder how safe from hacking this is, especially considering how unsafe smartphones are in most people's hands. I'm all for tech features but not for the sake of having them, they have to be practical and useful otherwise they just create more opportunity for problems than benefit.

    You are making a very good point here. Automotive network security will be very important in future cars but I'm afraid, as always with car tech, the tech (incl. the security) will always be a step or two behind what is possible (at that time).


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    My guess is that it's no safer than existing systems, meaning not safe at all, and probably less so by counting points of entry. Researchers have been publishing exploits allowing them to take control of existing car systems for years, and as those systems become more complex and more connected, the number of possible exploits will only increase. The fact that, so far, auto makers seem unconcerned with security just makes it that much easier. But, anything that can be accessed physically or remotely can be hacked.


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    If I see that video and see that the car moves as long as you are swirling your iphone I question two things:

    1. What connection is used: is it an Bluetooth connection than I'm very worried. As we all know it is unstable and can brake up any moment. Is it an WIFI or Internet connection - latency may be a problem. If I use remote locking on a BMW it takes 3 minutes until it reacts... that much regarding latency.

    2. what happens if you use this functionality on a public road. Lets drive your car by itself 10 meters to the front? Does it only work in front of garages or does it work anywhere else, too?

     


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    The way I read it - it's a simple tool to get into a tight spot at home or some places where it's hard to get in/out of the car. (many of us surely remember putting cushions or a hanging Tennisball down to know how far you can go in yr own Garage) As to the security - that could be easily done over Bluetooth - simple if you loose Connection the car stops. Modern parking sensors are pretty accurate and although it surely is a "Gimmick" I find it rather cool and usefull


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    BjoernB:

    The way I read it - it's a simple tool to get into a tight spot at home or some places where it's hard to get in/out of the car. (many of us surely remember putting cushions or a hanging Tennisball down to know how far you can go in yr own Garage) As to the security - that could be easily done over Bluetooth - simple if you loose Connection the car stops. Modern parking sensors are pretty accurate and although it surely is a "Gimmick" I find it rather cool and usefull

    The problem is not to make sure the car gets out of control if the connection fails, this is easily doable. The problem is the connection per se, via Bluetooth. Of course this is kind of safer than some cars which may be accessible via WiFi because of the networked(?) WiFi hotspot they offer. Also, you do not really have to hack into the wireless connection per se but a MITM attack or using a trojan to access the user's device or something similar would be sufficient. 

    I have no particular experience with CAN bus designs, etc. but a good friend has a nice and small bluetooth operated OBD dongle and it is quite impressive what he can do with this thing. Smiley


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Lars997:

    If I see that video and see that the car moves as long as you are swirling your iphone I question two things:

    1. What connection is used: is it an Bluetooth connection than I'm very worried. As we all know it is unstable and can brake up any moment. Is it an WIFI or Internet connection - latency may be a problem. If I use remote locking on a BMW it takes 3 minutes until it reacts... that much regarding latency.

    2. what happens if you use this functionality on a public road. Lets drive your car by itself 10 meters to the front? Does it only work in front of garages or does it work anywhere else, too?

    Smiley Remote unlocking doesn't seem to take that long for car thieves who hack the BMW system?    Smiley


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    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Lars997:

    ... 1. What connection is used: is it an Bluetooth connection than I'm very worried. As we all know it is unstable and can brake up any moment. Is it an WIFI or Internet connection - latency may be a problem. If I use remote locking on a BMW it takes 3 minutes until it reacts... that much regarding latency. ...

    It is almost certainly Bluetooth since you have to be within 10 feet of your car. (Bluetooth's range is further than that, but perhaps limited by transmission through the body and windows, or perhaps an intentionally weakened signal for "security".)


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    fritz:
    Lars997:

    If I see that video and see that the car moves as long as you are swirling your iphone I question two things:

    1. What connection is used: is it an Bluetooth connection than I'm very worried. As we all know it is unstable and can brake up any moment. Is it an WIFI or Internet connection - latency may be a problem. If I use remote locking on a BMW it takes 3 minutes until it reacts... that much regarding latency.

    2. what happens if you use this functionality on a public road. Lets drive your car by itself 10 meters to the front? Does it only work in front of garages or does it work anywhere else, too?

    Smiley Remote unlocking doesn't seem to take that long for car thieves who hack the BMW system?    Smiley

    Well.... it goes by internet and yes - it takes really that long. BTW - my little Mini has the same system.... also 3 Minutes!


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    What, do they route the packets through Venus? I'm pretty sure it doesn't take that long for thieves, although, that would act as a deterrent.

    Most things on the Internet timeout in less than 3 minutes. This must be one hugely inefficient system they have setup to do this.


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    apias:

    What, do they route the packets through Venus? I'm pretty sure it doesn't take that long for thieves, although, that would act as a deterrent.

    Most things on the Internet timeout in less than 3 minutes. This must be one hugely inefficient system they have setup to do this.

    It goes through satellite. That's not much of an excuse though, as I can order and receive programming over the Internet to my satellite service almost instantly. Same with Sirius in my... BMW. Smiley


    Re: Look at all these Orwellian features in new E-Class

    Round trip to the Moon is ~2.7 seconds. Round trip to Venus is ~276 seconds, a bit longer than 3 minutes (OK, closer to 5), but that's why I picked it. Round trip to geostationary satellite is ~0.25 seconds.


     
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