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    Ferrari mileage rollbacks?

    Damning if true, but it would explain why all used Ferrari's have only 4000 miles on them. Smiley

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4257298/Ferrari-uses-device-roll-mileage-salesman-accuses.html


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    very interesting but why a guy who can afford in a first place, wanted to get more when he finish with it?, very cheap 


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    Anyone with a laptop and cable can do the same thing.


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    ...but not factory approved indecision. Hilarious !


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    Not very surprising...


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    SciFrog:

    Not very surprising...

    In Germany, this would be highly illegal.

    I cannot believe that Ferrari (the factory) condones such behavior (rolling back mileage).


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    RC:
    SciFrog:

    Not very surprising...

    In Germany, this would be highly illegal.

    I cannot believe that Ferrari (the factory) condones such behavior (rolling back mileage).

    I don't see why they would, that would be idiotic. You would think that if a dealer ran a diagnostic on a car during service and it reported 3000 miles, then all of a sudden it reported 40 miles that there would be some questions. That data must make it's way to HQ, right? The whole story is suspicious, really.


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    I rather think that the dealership (or some individuals) were involved in the rollback.

    Theoretically, a complete rollback with factory knowledge of the software is possible but why would the Ferrari factory do such a thing? What would they have to gain and especially, why would simple mechanics, sales persons and such have knowledge of this HIGHLY ILLEGAL (in many markets) behavior?

    Sorry but I cannot believe Ferrari is directly involved in this. If they are, this could end their business if there is proof.


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    Never ever believe anything you read in the Daily Mail, a totally disreputable rag, gutter press at its very worst. Smiley They would never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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    dreamcar:

    Never ever believe anything you read in the Daily Mail, a totally disreputable rag, gutter press at its very worst. Smiley They would never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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    It's reported elsewhere as well, but yeah, could be "Fake News". Smiley


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    Or simply "Alternative Facts"  angry indecision


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    There is a lawsuit... Seems real...


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    From USA Today:

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    An attorney for the dealership, Alan Grunspan, said in response to the suit that the odometer rollback was done without the dealership's knowledge or permission.

    "The single odometer incident referred to by plaintiff was done after hours, off dealership premises, without dealership’s knowledge, without dealership’s permission and without the dealership’s authorization, by a technician who no longer works for the dealership," the statement reads.

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    Either way, I would assume if it's that easy, and there is good money to be made from it from both the owner and the tech doing the adjustment, that's probably more common than one would think.


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    indecision

     


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    bluelines:

    indecision

     

    LOL. Old school. Smiley


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    JoeRockhead:

    From USA Today:

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    An attorney for the dealership, Alan Grunspan, said in response to the suit that the odometer rollback was done without the dealership's knowledge or permission.

    "The single odometer incident referred to by plaintiff was done after hours, off dealership premises, without dealership’s knowledge, without dealership’s permission and without the dealership’s authorization, by a technician who no longer works for the dealership," the statement reads.

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    Either way, I would assume if it's that easy, and there is good money to be made from it from both the owner and the tech doing the adjustment, that's probably more common than one would think.

    Mileage rollbacks are nothing new but it isn't that easy to keep the rollback hidden. Ferrari could always find out. The mileage is also saved in various other control units, not only in the ECU. Some car manufacturers even save the mileage in the car key(!) or the speedo cluster control unit. There are various methods and possibilities but only a manufacturer could effectively erase any proof of manipulation. One reason I cannot believe Ferrari had something to do with that, this would be insane. It could have serious legal consequences for them. What for? To make a few customers happy? I doubt it. I am pretty sure it was a technician of whatever.


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    Easier to just disable the counter in the first place. No rollback required. Just saying. 


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    Leawood911:

    Easier to just disable the counter in the first place. No rollback required. Just saying. 

    indecision


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    Leawood911:

    Easier to just disable the counter in the first place. No rollback required. Just saying. 

    This is actually the dumbest thing to do because other control units continue to register the mileage. Smiley


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    indecisionRC:
    Leawood911:

    Easier to just disable the counter in the first place. No rollback required. Just saying. 

    This is actually the dumbest thing to do because other control units continue to register the mileage. Smiley

    Not in a "1961 Ferrari 250 GT California". Oh yeaaaahhhh. 


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    JoeRockhead:
    indecisionRC:
    Leawood911:

    Easier to just disable the counter in the first place. No rollback required. Just saying. 

    This is actually the dumbest thing to do because other control units continue to register the mileage. Smiley

    Not in a "1961 Ferrari 250 GT California". Oh yeaaaahhhh. 

    True but usually, you don't drive such a car. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari mileage rollbacks?

    JoeRockhead:
    indecisionRC:
    Leawood911:

    Easier to just disable the counter in the first place. No rollback required. Just saying. 

    This is actually the dumbest thing to do because other control units continue to register the mileage. Smiley

    Not in a "1961 Ferrari 250 GT California". Oh yeaaaahhhh. 

    SmileySmileySmiley


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