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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bvineyards:

    how is that safe at 150 mph +?

    Good question. In Germany, if you have an accident with such an illegally modded (Porsche never supports this!!!) car, you are in huge poo poo. Even worse if it happens at higher speeds where the negative effect is obvious.

    I guess some people are immune to common sense or some basic understanding of aerodynamics and/or of driving skills (no skilled driver would risk that, unless he is mentally challenged Smiley).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    RC:
    bvineyards:

    how is that safe at 150 mph +?

    Good question. In Germany, if you have an accident with such an illegally modded (Porsche never supports this!!!) car, you are in huge poo poo. Even worse if it happens at higher speeds where the negative effect is obvious.

    I guess some people are immune to common sense or some basic understanding of aerodynamics and/or of driving skills (no skilled driver would risk that, unless he is mentally challenged Smiley).

    I have been on a track where someone was testing this setting on a yellow GT3 RS ( I did post the photos and details at the time ) .  It was good for speed limited roads, as you can't feel any difference when driving ip to 120 km/h  ( I guess that guy only cruses through Zurich where the picture was taken )    but when you went above 150 km/h it started to feel unstable .


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    At least with McLarens there is never any debate about getting a wingless version. indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Apparently some customers are already testing a touring package...

    Smiley

    Yep, and it looks quite good420475fade12b3a360d06127dac99d93.jpga524c7d3f6121917ee4a43d2e6db5543.jpgporsche-991-gt3-rs-c853416012017085843_3.jpgc2c1752d15853ef2017e005a425bf865.jpg


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    DaveGordon:

    A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

    I have to admit that I found the GT4 to be a little scary at high autobahn speeds too (I only changed to high downforce mode when I got home - where it was not needed Smiley)...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I wonder if that has more to do with a more track oriented alignment and fat tires, which could make the car wander more.  When I was in Germany last, granted I only did about 138 mph in an Audi TT, but it was stable enough when the road was straight.


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    vantagesc:

    I wonder if that has more to do with a more track oriented alignment and fat tires, which could make the car wander more.  When I was in Germany last, granted I only did about 138 mph in an Audi TT, but it was stable enough when the road was straight.

    Possible - and I think my alignment was out of spec too (had that corrected with track alignment and parts once home).

    Was only scary above 260kph (160mph)


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    DaveGordon:

    A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

    I have to admit that I found the GT4 to be a little scary 

    It is always a little bit scary. Even at standstill Smiley


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    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bluelines:

    It is always a little bit scary. Even at standstill Smiley

    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    This is what happens when you drive at high speed without a wing! 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaoJC5yTwU

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porsche has already concluded that they can build a 911 GT3 without a wing and it was quite a car...

    ...they called it the 911 R!

    Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    But didn't the R had a special diffuser to compensate the loss of the wing? 

    It might be dangerous taking the wing off, but I doubt that these owners go +160mph without their wings.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Oh, the irony is rich!  One has read many, many posts of this thread claiming that those who want a 911 GT3 with an manual are troglodytes because the car with the PDK is infinitely quicker around the race course, now several of those same individuals are talking up the touring package, which hampers aerodynamic efficiency for the race course...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Saffron Yellow Metallic kiss

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Liking that kiss


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Agree on the colour.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I think that Saffron color is a multi-stage process that has a high price.  Not PTS, just a fancier optional premium color.

    "Reserved for the 911 is four-coat paint in Saffron Yellow Metallic with intermediate sanding. This paint creates a particularly impression of depth. "

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-new-model-year-connectivity-colours-innovations-13535.html


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Porsche has already concluded that they can build a 911 GT3 without a wing and it was quite a car...

    ...they called it the 911 R!

    Smiley

     

    And that car is unstable at high speed.

    Above 270km/hr the rear gets light and moves around a lot.

    It is stable up to around 250km/hr.

    I tried on the autobahn already.

    I wouldn't want to do a lane change at 300km/despite what AP publicly said. That's a death wish to do such a move at that speed.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Looks like another interesting GT3 variant road testing...

    ...or maybe an old 911 R mule?

    Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:

    I think that Saffron color is a multi-stage process that has a high price.  Not PTS, just a fancier optional premium color.

    "Reserved for the 911 is four-coat paint in Saffron Yellow Metallic with intermediate sanding. This paint creates a particularly impression of depth. "

    https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-new-model-year-connectivity-colours-innovations-13535.html


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    Then, most likely, this paint option would also have a higher insurance premium associated with it, since matching of panels are much more difficult.  One went through this with pearl white many years ago.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Looks like another interesting GT3 variant road testing...

    ...or maybe an old 911 R mule?

    Smiley

    Forget the GT3 - please tell us more about Wolfsblut designer bugs (ie. beetles...)... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    What is Porsche up to? Having all these variants exposed on the public streets is not the Porsche way?yes


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    DaveGordon:

    A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

    The problem is that the 991 R is not just a GT3 without a rear wing, aerodynamics have been "adapted" to the wing-less design/setup. The ducktail doesn't help much on the GT3 RS...also I do not think it looks good (but I've never been a friend of ducktails). I think a retractable Carrera wing would benefit the GT3 RS more than a ducktail but I could be wrong.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    RC:
    The problem is that the 991 R is not just a GT3 without a rear wing, aerodynamics have been "adapted" to the wing-less design/setup. 

    Sure, but that diffusor doesn't make up for all the downforce lost from the wing removal - hence it's still disadvantaged.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    DaveGordon:
    RC:
    The problem is that the 991 R is not just a GT3 without a rear wing, aerodynamics have been "adapted" to the wing-less design/setup. 

    Sure, but that diffusor doesn't make up for all the downforce lost from the wing removal - hence it's still disadvantaged.

    According to the latest rumor the reason why the touring package is (still?) not available.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    991.2 GT3 RS??

    http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/29/p...-rs-spy-shots/


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    After much agonizing I decided to go with the black wheels and guard red wheel stripe. The overall look suits the car better especially with the stripe. Without the stripe and only black wheels the car look like it is floating and doesn't come together. 

    There was a reason why Porsche decided to show the car in GR with the black wheels and GR stripe. I see it now and agree.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:

    After much agonizing I decided to go with the black wheels and guard red wheel stripe. The overall look suits the car better especially with the stripe. Without the stripe and only black wheels the car look like it is floating and doesn't come together. 

    There was a reason why Porsche decided to show the car in GR with the black wheels and GR stripe. I see it now and agree.

    You gonna get the matching GR 12 O'clock stripe on the steering wheel?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    A couple of hours before they released the official Nordschleife time for 991.2 GT3.

    Yours truthful in the background.

    991.2GT3.jpg


     
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